XMPP Council - 2019-10-16

FYI, as the docker has gone MIA, here is a pre-rendered version of 0423, the one that I'm anticipating to request the Last Call for: https://op-co.de/tmp/xep-0423.html

It's that day of the week again.

Hi, I’m here!

I was just two minutes early.

I’m here, too

dwd, Kev, Kev_?

I'm here.

It looks like we have a quorum anyway.

And if we count the two Kevs, we are even at full occupancy.

Dave only sent apologies for the agenda, IIRC.

Only thing to do today is to LC CS, right?

Which I've not had a chance to review in detail yet, but +1 to LC.

Kev: there is also an expiring vote on Message Moderation

that’s the thing we definitely have to do, yes

Oh, I was sure I'd voted on that.

Kev: apparently you were the only one

Ah :)

Well, let's start with

LC on CS?

+1

+1

Kev: can we make it More Formal please?

Like, agenda and such.

I don’t like how it puts fasten in an IQ payload

oh, different thing

Ok

Who'd like to stand up to chair?

1) Last call on Compliance Suites.

Formal enough?

1) Roll Call, please

We already did that bit.

not formally, tho

^^'

Kev: not Formally.

Do we really care whether we say the words 'roll call' before checking who's here?

Kev: I'd hate the CS LC to be declared formally incorrect because of a form error.

Ge0rG, we don’t have that formalism formalised anywhere, it’s only a tradition.

okay, I’ll chair

Find me which bit of our formal process requires us to say 'roll call' at the start of Council.

I'll wait.

if nobody objects

because this is too meta

jonas’: Sure. I mean, I've already started, clearly.

1) Roll Call

I'm here.

Erm, I’m here too.

me obviously, too

is Ge0rG here, too?

yeah!

\o/

2) Agenda Bashing

- LC for XEP-0423

anything else?

I suppose we can figure out the presence of 0392 in 0423 during LC

upcoming DST as an AOB please

we’re all in europe, AFAIK DST change is in 2w

okay, nothing else for the agenda, so moving on

3) Items for a Vote

3a) Instruct Editors to Issue a Last Call for XEP-0423

+1

As we're working on the basis that we should do things as they're normally done, rather than what's required or useful, I'll on-list this one in a couple of weeks.

+1

+1

Kev, :D

There was more than that LC on the agenda, but dwd isn't here so.. of course he's not transmitting this :(

pep.: what else was there?

alright, Kev on list, dwd absent, everyone else +1

3b) ...

292 is still in proposed state since February

it had a single bit of feedback

which was mostly "this looks good"

I'll note that there was some discussion prior to LC that I forget if it resulted in any changes

Did we have a Lash Call Shepherd?

no

okay, so: 3b) Vote on advancing XEP-0292 to Draft

on-list

on-list, I’m afraid

On list, I’ll have to gather data about what has been done and what should be done.

Kev, ?

on-list. It feels like we've done this already.

not according to any minutes on standards@ apparently

4) Date of Next

+1w wfm

Same.

+1W WFM

I can't make next week.

okay

5) AOB

5a) DST change

SOP, I suggest.

UK, France and Germany change on Oct 27th

I think that covers all council members?

Correct.

so I suggest that we move along with DST and meet at 16:00Z starting on Oct 30th, that is in two weeks. (discussing this now so that Kev can comment) ✏

I think so too.

jonas’: +1

That wfm.

As I said, I suggest SOP. Which is that Council is pinned to European DST.

The EU is going to abolism DST quite soon, is that what it is?

Kev, I failed to parse SOP, sorry

Standard Operating Procedure.

okay, so we all agree

any other AOB?

I have another AOB:

5b) Could we not formalise formalism for formalism’s sake? Doing things slightly out of the ordinary shouldn’t matter for the purpose of a meeting.

Link Mauve: I'm very sorry. To you too, Kev

Link Mauve, I don’t have a strong opinion on that, but it seemed like the easiest way to break out of the meta discussion earlier today

No problem with that. :)

But it felt like things already started at that time, that’s it.

I was, incidentally, trying to get the meeting done with quickly so I'd have time to go review the CS before I have to offline for the day.

Kev, which unfortunately backfired

That’s also how it felt to me.

Kev, though you can review the CS while they’re in Last Call ;)

Sorry, everyone.

Eaty meeting east?

6) Ite Meeting Est

Thanks all.

Thanks all.

Sorry for taking reign of the chair like that

Damn, I just wanted to cast my vote on Message Moderation.

Ge0rG, you can still do so on list.

Thanks, everyone.

As I’m going to do once I’m done with it.

right, I forgot the pending votes section

Link Mauve, technically, the vote has expired just now, I think

depending on what "close of business" actually means

https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-January/035714.html

Really? Not at the end of business day?

Link Mauve, business day in which time zone?

Close of business is when you're done working for the day.

what if you keep working until after midnight?

If you're still voting, I'd argue you're still doing business.

jonas’, the correct one!

in any case, back to my cleaning frenzy

voting nudge for: dwd, jonas’, and Link Mauve

Message Moderation

theTedd, thanks

done

Finally reviewed them and sent my email!