XMPP Council - 2019-10-16

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  19. Ge0rG FYI, as the docker has gone MIA, here is a pre-rendered version of 0423, the one that I'm anticipating to request the Last Call for: https://op-co.de/tmp/xep-0423.html
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  27. Ge0rG It's that day of the week again.
  28. Link Mauve Hi, I’m here!
  29. Ge0rG I was just two minutes early.
  30. jonas’ I’m here, too
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  32. Link Mauve dwd, Kev, Kev_?
  33. Kev I'm here.
  34. Ge0rG It looks like we have a quorum anyway.
  35. Ge0rG And if we count the two Kevs, we are even at full occupancy.
  36. Ge0rG Dave only sent apologies for the agenda, IIRC.
  37. Kev Only thing to do today is to LC CS, right?
  38. Kev Which I've not had a chance to review in detail yet, but +1 to LC.
  39. Ge0rG Kev: there is also an expiring vote on Message Moderation
  40. jonas’ that’s the thing we definitely have to do, yes
  41. Kev Oh, I was sure I'd voted on that.
  42. Ge0rG Kev: apparently you were the only one
  43. Kev Ah :)
  44. Kev Well, let's start with
  45. Kev LC on CS?
  46. Kev +1
  47. Link Mauve +1
  48. Ge0rG Kev: can we make it More Formal please?
  49. Ge0rG Like, agenda and such.
  50. jonas’ I don’t like how it puts fasten in an IQ payload
  51. jonas’ oh, different thing
  52. Kev Ok
  53. Ge0rG Who'd like to stand up to chair?
  54. Kev 1) Last call on Compliance Suites.
  55. Kev Formal enough?
  56. Ge0rG 1) Roll Call, please
  57. Kev We already did that bit.
  58. jonas’ not formally, tho
  59. Link Mauve ^^'
  60. Ge0rG Kev: not Formally.
  61. Kev Do we really care whether we say the words 'roll call' before checking who's here?
  62. Ge0rG Kev: I'd hate the CS LC to be declared formally incorrect because of a form error.
  63. Link Mauve Ge0rG, we don’t have that formalism formalised anywhere, it’s only a tradition.
  64. jonas’ okay, I’ll chair
  65. Kev Find me which bit of our formal process requires us to say 'roll call' at the start of Council.
  66. Kev I'll wait.
  67. jonas’ if nobody objects
  68. jonas’ because this is too meta
  69. Kev jonas’: Sure. I mean, I've already started, clearly.
  70. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  71. Kev I'm here.
  72. Link Mauve Erm, I’m here too.
  73. jonas’ me obviously, too
  74. jonas’ is Ge0rG here, too?
  75. Ge0rG yeah!
  76. jonas’ \o/
  77. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  78. jonas’ - LC for XEP-0423
  79. jonas’ anything else?
  80. Ge0rG I suppose we can figure out the presence of 0392 in 0423 during LC
  81. Ge0rG upcoming DST as an AOB please
  82. jonas’ we’re all in europe, AFAIK DST change is in 2w
  83. jonas’ okay, nothing else for the agenda, so moving on
  84. jonas’ 3) Items for a Vote
  85. jonas’ 3a) Instruct Editors to Issue a Last Call for XEP-0423
  86. jonas’ +1
  87. Kev As we're working on the basis that we should do things as they're normally done, rather than what's required or useful, I'll on-list this one in a couple of weeks.
  88. Ge0rG +1
  89. Link Mauve +1
  90. Link Mauve Kev, :D
  91. pep. There was more than that LC on the agenda, but dwd isn't here so.. of course he's not transmitting this :(
  92. Ge0rG pep.: what else was there?
  93. jonas’ alright, Kev on list, dwd absent, everyone else +1
  94. jonas’ 3b) ...
  95. pep. 292 is still in proposed state since February
  96. jonas’ it had a single bit of feedback
  97. jonas’ which was mostly "this looks good"
  98. Zash I'll note that there was some discussion prior to LC that I forget if it resulted in any changes
  99. Ge0rG Did we have a Lash Call Shepherd?
  100. jonas’ no
  101. jonas’ okay, so: 3b) Vote on advancing XEP-0292 to Draft
  102. Ge0rG on-list
  103. jonas’ on-list, I’m afraid
  104. Link Mauve On list, I’ll have to gather data about what has been done and what should be done.
  105. jonas’ Kev, ?
  106. Kev on-list. It feels like we've done this already.
  107. jonas’ not according to any minutes on standards@ apparently
  108. jonas’ 4) Date of Next
  109. jonas’ +1w wfm
  110. Link Mauve Same.
  111. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  112. Kev I can't make next week.
  113. jonas’ okay
  114. jonas’ 5) AOB
  115. jonas’ 5a) DST change
  116. Kev SOP, I suggest.
  117. jonas’ UK, France and Germany change on Oct 27th
  118. jonas’ I think that covers all council members?
  119. Link Mauve Correct.
  120. jonas’ so I suggest that we move along with DST and meet at 16:00Z starting on Oct 30th, that is in two weeks. (discusing this now so that Kev can comment)
  121. jonas’ so I suggest that we move along with DST and meet at 16:00Z starting on Oct 30th, that is in two weeks. (discussing this now so that Kev can comment)
  122. Ge0rG I think so too.
  123. Ge0rG jonas’: +1
  124. Link Mauve That wfm.
  125. Kev As I said, I suggest SOP. Which is that Council is pinned to European DST.
  126. Link Mauve The EU is going to abolism DST quite soon, is that what it is?
  127. jonas’ Kev, I failed to parse SOP, sorry
  128. Kev Standard Operating Procedure.
  129. jonas’ okay, so we all agree
  130. jonas’ any other AOB?
  131. Link Mauve I have another AOB:
  132. Link Mauve 5b) Could we not formalise formalism for formalism’s sake? Doing things slightly out of the ordinary shouldn’t matter for the purpose of a meeting.
  133. Ge0rG Link Mauve: I'm very sorry. To you too, Kev
  134. jonas’ Link Mauve, I don’t have a strong opinion on that, but it seemed like the easiest way to break out of the meta discussion earlier today
  135. Link Mauve No problem with that. :)
  136. Link Mauve But it felt like things already started at that time, that’s it.
  137. Kev I was, incidentally, trying to get the meeting done with quickly so I'd have time to go review the CS before I have to offline for the day.
  138. jonas’ Kev, which unfortunately backfired
  139. Link Mauve That’s also how it felt to me.
  140. jonas’ Kev, though you can review the CS while they’re in Last Call ;)
  141. Ge0rG Sorry, everyone.
  142. Kev Eaty meeting east?
  143. jonas’ 6) Ite Meeting Est
  144. jonas’ Thanks all.
  145. Kev Thanks all.
  146. jonas’ Sorry for taking reign of the chair like that
  147. Ge0rG Damn, I just wanted to cast my vote on Message Moderation.
  148. Link Mauve Ge0rG, you can still do so on list.
  149. Ge0rG Thanks, everyone.
  150. Link Mauve As I’m going to do once I’m done with it.
  151. jonas’ right, I forgot the pending votes section
  152. jonas’ Link Mauve, technically, the vote has expired just now, I think
  153. jonas’ depending on what "close of business" actually means
  154. Zash https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-January/035714.html
  155. Link Mauve Really? Not at the end of business day?
  156. jonas’ Link Mauve, business day in which time zone?
  157. Kev Close of business is when you're done working for the day.
  158. Ge0rG what if you keep working until after midnight?
  159. Kev If you're still voting, I'd argue you're still doing business.
  160. Link Mauve jonas’, the correct one!
  161. jonas’ in any case, back to my cleaning frenzy
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  179. theTedd voting nudge for: dwd, jonas’, and Link Mauve
  180. theTedd Message Moderation
  181. jonas’ theTedd, thanks
  182. jonas’ done
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  187. Link Mauve Finally reviewed them and sent my email!
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