XMPP Council - 2019-11-07

Just reviewed https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html . Just in case I don't make today's meeting, I'm premptively +1 on moving 0.3 to Draft.

Phew.

OK.

1) Roll Call

2, bacon.

Had 2 bacon ones for lunch today, with extra thick bacon. Yummy.

Ge0rG, Link Mauve, jonas’ ?

Kevin Bacon?

Yes, I’m here.

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am here

Well, that's a full house.

2) Agenda Bashing

Bacon Burger! ✏

I’m hungry now.

After failing at making mochi. :(

I'm assuming we just have XEP-0423 to Draft.

Let's add something to the agenda just for the sake of it

Let's not.

3) Item for a vote:

I’m +1 on XEP-0423 to Draft

a) Advance XEP-0423 to Draft.

+1 on XEP-0423 to Draft

jonas’, Patience.

I’m +1 on advancing XEP-0423 to Draft. ✏

+1. And a big thank you to Ge0rG for sticking with this. This is, I think, the most useful CS we've had in as long as I can remember - I think having some sort of nuance really helps.

Indeed!

Tempting to veto for dramatic purposes, now.

But no, best not.

Dave Cridland: you could on-list instead and wait until the 20th.

+1 to advance to Draft. And I agree with Kev, this has been a lot of effort for Ge0rG, but it's resulted in a much better document than we've had for a long time.

Even the 21st.

And announce your vote right before Alex closes the polls.

And then it will get delayed by the MTA and...

Thanks also to the rest of Council for the extra meeting and being prepared for it.

I, too, am happy with the result, but I’m not with (nearly) burning out all CS editors/authors ✏

So, for the record, a unanimous decision to move CS-2020 to Draft.

\o/

I must admit, there was a period of some days after I started work on 423, where I felt burned out as well.

4) Next Meeting

Next week Wednesday as usual?

16:00Z

+1 for next Wednesday

wfm

Yes, I think so. I'd note that if there is anything to vote now, we'll have to either be able to vote immediately or it'll have to be re-raised by the next Council.

5) AOB

none from me

None from me either.

Other than saying how pleased I am to see lots of candidates for Board and Council, nothing from me.

OK.

6) Ite, Meeting Est

Thanks all.

Thanks all for this exceptional meeting!

thanks Dave et al.

this was a good move indeed

pep., do you want to do the honours?

sure

:)

Dave Cridland, what was wrong from not having this meeting and putting it on list? Council members "just" needed to react quickly and not two weeks after :)

Meetings focus the mind, sometimes. We could have onlisted, but this way worked, so ... :)

pep., yesterday there was no version to vote on yet

pep.: the Last Call technically only ended last night, and there was the pending PR

so there had to be a meeting which started the vote

Ge0rG, ok

it was a lucky accident that everyone voted in the meeting and not on-list

We could have started the vote yesterday, on 'whatever version is published tomorrow morning', and all on-listed, but ... this way was better, I think.

Even if I'm not a fan of extra meetings I have to attend :)

Me neither, but I'm not a fan of starting a vote on a version that's unpublished just for the purpose of ensuring a timetable.

jonas’: I think 'lucky accident' is understating the effort people put in (mostly Ge0rG) to make sure it could happen.

Kev: it was a kind of lucky accident nevertheless, because my calculation of the moment when to submit the XEP was off by two weeks.

Kev, sorry, yes

I didn’t mean to diminish that

I was looking at it from a concurrency architectural perspective, where a certain sequence of events is almost always an accident

I’m too deep in concurrent code at the moment

hmm, I have no minutes to link to yet.

I guess I'll just state that

pep., you can link to the logs of this room

Linking to minutes is a very recent thing and is just a nicety, I think. There's nothing requiring it.

Kev, sure

(Assuming you mean referencing when it was approved by Council)

yes

I mean, I think it's a /good/ nicety, but if it's proving an issue here...

Just makes it easier to check back what happened when/why

Yes, I think it's a good thing.