Dave CridlandKept counting and missing someone because jonas’ responded so quick. :-)
Dave Cridland2) Agenda Bashing
Dave CridlandThe only thing I'd like to do is vote in a new Chair.
Dave Cridland3) Nominations for XMPP Council Chair
jonas’I nominate myself
Dave CridlandAnyone else?
Dave CridlandWell, this should make the voting simple.
Ge0rGI've been thinking a while about volunteering for that, but honestly, I just don't have the time.
Dave Cridland4) Voting:
Dave CridlandWe don't have anyone else nominated, so this seems a bit pointless, but I think we technically vote, so:
Dave CridlandI vote for jonas’ :-)
Ge0rG+1 for jonas’
jonas’I abstain ;)
Ge0rGthat makes it a +4/1/-0
Dave Cridlandjonas’, You realise your abstention means the vote isn't unanimous by some measurements?
jonas’Dave Cridland, I am fine with that, unless we need an unanimous vote to proceed
Dave Cridlandjonas’, Your meeting, then. Thanks for volunteering!
jonas’Thanks for your trust. I shall use it wisely.
jonas’5) Date of next
jonas’(and regular meeting time rhythm)
jonas’This timeslot works well for me for various reasons and I’d like to keep it, if nobody has objections.
Ge0rGGenerally this timeslot works for me as well, but I'll be on the road next week
danielyes the timeslot is fine
ZashShould work for me too
Dave CridlandThis timeslot works for me. Presumably if we find it becomes tricky in practise we can review it.
jonas’I have one, but I’d like to let others go first
Dave Cridlandwaits for Ge0rG.
Dave CridlandI have nothing.
Ge0rGI wanted to mention https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/653 as kind-of-needs-Council
Ge0rGAnd right now, I don't have anything
Ge0rGAll my usual AOBs, while still not clarified, can wait
jonas’Ge0rG, good point
jonas’(I should try to make poezio show chat states in a non-obstrusive way for this room.)
jonas’assuming noone else:
jonas’quick summary of how I intend to do this: My goal would be to send the agenda by tuesdays, 20:00Z, since I can dedicate much of the time frame from 19:00Z to 20:00Z to this generally
jonas’so it’s not the 24h-in-advance agenda which would be ideal, but this allows me to dedicate time to collecting everything properly, which is hopefully worth something
jonas’(at the same time, I hope to use the remainder of that time slot for editor duties, but that’s slightly off-topic)
jonas’if you have any agenda items which are not in xsf/xeps tagged as Needs Council, send them directly to me (mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org or xmpp same address)
jonas’if you send them to standards@, please CC my mail address explicitly so that I get a copy in a separate inbox
danielsounds good. thank you jonas’
jonas’I think that’s it from me
jonas’if you’ve got any suggestions on how we should run this, I’m of course open for that
Ge0rGjonas’: sounds great (except that this is not the same xmpp address as in your Council application)
Dave CridlandRecreating the Spreadsheet of Doom might be useful.
jonas’Ge0rG, the other one works too, of course
jonas’Dave Cridland, good point
pep.We might want to write this down somewhere?
Dave CridlandI'll see if I can find a copy of the last one and hand it over to jonas’ if there's interest?
pep.Wiki might be a good start
pep."Council process for 2019/2020 term" or sth
jonas’Dave Cridland, can’t harm
Ge0rGI must say, I didn't miss the Spreadsheet of Doom as much after Tedd started sending those weekly vote summaries. Huge thanks to Tedd BTW
pep.read "process" with lots of quotes
jonas’pep., someone certainly could. I see you volunteered?
jonas’(the submission suggestions I’ll put below each agenda mail just like dave did, because that’s a good thing IMO)
pep.That'd be great if council could handle that themselves tbh
jonas’pep., I agree.
pep.They know better
Dave Cridlandpep., Seems more of a Board thing. :-P
pep.Dave Cridland, to choose meeting dates and internal council processes? :)
Dave Cridlandpep., To put things in Wiki pages. :-)
pep.board can appoint people to do that for sure :-°
Dave CridlandWell played.
Ge0rGCan board appoint somebody to make our wiki mobile-friendly?
jonas’I think this is getting off-topic.
jonas’Thanks for your additional input and trust again :)
jonas’7) Ite, Meeting Est.
Dave CridlandThanks, jonas’!
jonas’one way to deal with the spreadsheet-of-doom thing would be to re-vive Secretary
jonas’also, if I read this correctly, Ge0rG has superpowers in this room. I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
Ge0rGjonas’: I'm sorry, my powers are not super enough to do that.
jonas’fascinating, then the sorting in poezio is misleading
jonas’re-routing my request to ralphm or Kev:
I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
ZashGe0rG: I looked at the wiki btw. Unfortunately it's yet another herd of hairy yaks.
Ge0rGZash: that's sad to hear.
Ge0rGZash: you could start with your bio for the Council page, though ;)
jonas’If only we had working Reactions.
jonas’then Secretary could use those to acknowledge understanding of messages instead of a full message, reducing the cognitive load
Dave CridlandI did https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/656 BTW, so I'd hold off on the bios until that's merged.
jonas’Zash, something prosody? I don’t know what and if your dayjob has anything to do with XMPP.
ZashProsody and Prosody accessiores.
jonas’Dave Cridland, merged
pep.jonas’, maybe get Tedd onboard with secretary? I think that would be a great addition to council's panel (a bit of automation) if people have some time to invest
jonas’pep., problem is that secretary wasn’t well received due to the level of noise it produced
jonas’I’m not sure how to reduce the level of noise though
jonas’writing the software itself isn’t an issue
pep.Design issues that can probably be worked out
jonas’pep., then suggestions are stronly welcome
pep.Also people need to learn how to work with tools if it can alleviate some work from other volunteers :)
pep.(and tools can be changed)
jonas’pep., yes please make suggestions how to change the tools
jonas’we don’t have a way to send messages which are shown in a more "bland" way by default, so the choices seem to be "not confirm actions explicitly" (which can be dangerous since votes are involved) or "clutter the backlog", both of which are quite meh
jonas’pep., https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2019-01-23#2019-01-23-c7e1846fae720801 here’s the last meeting with secretary where it became quite apparent
Ge0rGIsn't a tool a tool because they *can't* be changed? :P
jonas’Looking at the backlog, things might be slightly improved if the power to manage polls is at the chair only
jonas’(manage = create, delete, rename)
jonas’anyways, gotta take care of some soup
pep.jonas’, I think most of the confusion was that people didn't know how to talk to the bot? Or get their vote counted?
pep.Also votes were created during the meeting and not beforehand?
jonas’the former: maybe
jonas’the latter: yes, which is also a good-ish thing because Secretary will announce additional metadata on the just-created poll and it marks it as "active", i.e. vote commadns without context will be attached to that poll
jonas’this could probably be improved by adding an "agenda" layer
jonas’maybe I should go in that direction an play with that a little
ZashThe more that has been prepared beforehand, the better
pep.I'm happy to betatest in some channel of your choice later on :)
jonas’pep., you can bookmark email@example.com
jonas’there’s a Secretary there right now, but it’s broken for a reason I don’t know