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jonas’
.
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Ge0rG
..
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Dave Cridland
...
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Zash
Soon
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Ge0rG
Too soon?
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Ge0rG
maybe even Noonien Soong?
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Ge0rG
It's time!
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daniel
Hi
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Dave Cridland
OK!
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Dave Cridland
1) Roll Call
- jonas’ is here
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Dave Cridland
Do we have everyone?
- Zash here
- Ge0rG .
- Dave Cridland of course
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daniel
and me
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Dave Cridland
Right, that's everyone.
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Dave Cridland
Kept counting and missing someone because jonas’ responded so quick. :-)
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Dave Cridland
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
haha
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Dave Cridland
The only thing I'd like to do is vote in a new Chair.
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Dave Cridland
So:
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Dave Cridland
3) Nominations for XMPP Council Chair
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jonas’
I nominate myself
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Dave Cridland
Anyone else?
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Dave Cridland
OK.
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Dave Cridland
Well, this should make the voting simple.
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Ge0rG
I've been thinking a while about volunteering for that, but honestly, I just don't have the time.
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Dave Cridland
4) Voting:
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Dave Cridland
We don't have anyone else nominated, so this seems a bit pointless, but I think we technically vote, so:
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Dave Cridland
I vote for jonas’ :-)
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daniel
+1
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Ge0rG
+1 for jonas’
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jonas’
I abstain ;)
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Zash
+1
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Ge0rG
that makes it a +4/1/-0
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Dave Cridland
jonas’, You realise your abstention means the vote isn't unanimous by some measurements?
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jonas’
Dave Cridland, I am fine with that, unless we need an unanimous vote to proceed
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Dave Cridland
Nope.
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Dave Cridland
jonas’, Your meeting, then. Thanks for volunteering!
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jonas’
Thanks for your trust. I shall use it wisely.
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jonas’
5) Date of next
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jonas’
(and regular meeting time rhythm)
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jonas’
This timeslot works well for me for various reasons and I’d like to keep it, if nobody has objections.
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Ge0rG
Generally this timeslot works for me as well, but I'll be on the road next week
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daniel
yes the timeslot is fine
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Zash
Should work for me too
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Dave Cridland
This timeslot works for me. Presumably if we find it becomes tricky in practise we can review it.
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jonas’
sure
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jonas’
6) AOB
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jonas’
I have one, but I’d like to let others go first
- Dave Cridland waits for Ge0rG.
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Dave Cridland
I have nothing.
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Ge0rG
I wanted to mention https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/653 as kind-of-needs-Council
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Ge0rG
And right now, I don't have anything
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Ge0rG
All my usual AOBs, while still not clarified, can wait
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jonas’
Ge0rG, good point
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jonas’
(I should try to make poezio show chat states in a non-obstrusive way for this room.)
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jonas’
assuming noone else:
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jonas’
quick summary of how I intend to do this: My goal would be to send the agenda by tuesdays, 20:00Z, since I can dedicate much of the time frame from 19:00Z to 20:00Z to this generally
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jonas’
so it’s not the 24h-in-advance agenda which would be ideal, but this allows me to dedicate time to collecting everything properly, which is hopefully worth something
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jonas’
(at the same time, I hope to use the remainder of that time slot for editor duties, but that’s slightly off-topic)
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jonas’
if you have any agenda items which are not in xsf/xeps tagged as Needs Council, send them directly to me (mailto:jonas@zombofant.net or xmpp same address)
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jonas’
if you send them to standards@, please CC my mail address explicitly so that I get a copy in a separate inbox
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daniel
sounds good. thank you jonas’
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jonas’
I think that’s it from me
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jonas’
if you’ve got any suggestions on how we should run this, I’m of course open for that
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Ge0rG
jonas’: sounds great (except that this is not the same xmpp address as in your Council application)
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Dave Cridland
Recreating the Spreadsheet of Doom might be useful.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, the other one works too, of course
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jonas’
Dave Cridland, good point
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pep.
We might want to write this down somewhere?
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Dave Cridland
I'll see if I can find a copy of the last one and hand it over to jonas’ if there's interest?
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pep.
Wiki might be a good start
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pep.
"Council process for 2019/2020 term" or sth
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jonas’
Dave Cridland, can’t harm
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Ge0rG
I must say, I didn't miss the Spreadsheet of Doom as much after Tedd started sending those weekly vote summaries. Huge thanks to Tedd BTW
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pep.
read "process" with lots of quotes
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jonas’
pep., someone certainly could. I see you volunteered?
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pep.
did I?
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jonas’
(the submission suggestions I’ll put below each agenda mail just like dave did, because that’s a good thing IMO)
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pep.
That'd be great if council could handle that themselves tbh
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jonas’
pep., I agree.
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pep.
They know better
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jonas’
+should
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Dave Cridland
pep., Seems more of a Board thing. :-P
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pep.
Dave Cridland, to choose meeting dates and internal council processes? :)
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Dave Cridland
pep., To put things in Wiki pages. :-)
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pep.
board can appoint people to do that for sure :-°
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Dave Cridland
Well played.
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Ge0rG
Can board appoint somebody to make our wiki mobile-friendly?
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jonas’
I think this is getting off-topic.
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pep.
Sorry
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jonas’
Thanks for your additional input and trust again :)
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jonas’
7) Ite, Meeting Est.
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Zash
Woop
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Dave Cridland
Thanks, jonas’!
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jonas’
one way to deal with the spreadsheet-of-doom thing would be to re-vive Secretary
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jonas’
also, if I read this correctly, Ge0rG has superpowers in this room. I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm sorry, my powers are not super enough to do that.
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jonas’
fascinating, then the sorting in poezio is misleading
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pep.
indeed
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jonas’
re-routing my request to ralphm or Kev: I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
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Zash
Ge0rG: I looked at the wiki btw. Unfortunately it's yet another herd of hairy yaks.
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Ge0rG
Zash: that's sad to hear.
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Ge0rG
Zash: you could start with your bio for the Council page, though ;)
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jonas’
If only we had working Reactions.
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jonas’
then Secretary could use those to acknowledge understanding of messages instead of a full message, reducing the cognitive load
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Dave Cridland
I did https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/656 BTW, so I'd hold off on the bios until that's merged.
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Zash
Any suggestions?
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jonas’
Zash, something prosody? I don’t know what and if your dayjob has anything to do with XMPP.
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Zash
Prosody and Prosody accessiores.
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jonas’
Dave Cridland, merged
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pep.
jonas’, maybe get Tedd onboard with secretary? I think that would be a great addition to council's panel (a bit of automation) if people have some time to invest
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jonas’
pep., problem is that secretary wasn’t well received due to the level of noise it produced
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jonas’
I’m not sure how to reduce the level of noise though
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jonas’
writing the software itself isn’t an issue
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pep.
Design issues that can probably be worked out
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jonas’
pep., then suggestions are stronly welcome
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pep.
Also people need to learn how to work with tools if it can alleviate some work from other volunteers :)
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pep.
(and tools can be changed)
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jonas’
pep., yes please make suggestions how to change the tools
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jonas’
we don’t have a way to send messages which are shown in a more "bland" way by default, so the choices seem to be "not confirm actions explicitly" (which can be dangerous since votes are involved) or "clutter the backlog", both of which are quite meh
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jonas’
pep., https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2019-01-23#2019-01-23-c7e1846fae720801 here’s the last meeting with secretary where it became quite apparent
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Ge0rG
Isn't a tool a tool because they *can't* be changed? :P
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jonas’
Looking at the backlog, things might be slightly improved if the power to manage polls is at the chair only
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jonas’
(manage = create, delete, rename)
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jonas’
anyways, gotta take care of some soup
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pep.
jonas’, I think most of the confusion was that people didn't know how to talk to the bot? Or get their vote counted?
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pep.
Also votes were created during the meeting and not beforehand?
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jonas’
the former: maybe
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jonas’
the latter: yes, which is also a good-ish thing because Secretary will announce additional metadata on the just-created poll and it marks it as "active", i.e. vote commadns without context will be attached to that poll
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jonas’
this could probably be improved by adding an "agenda" layer
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jonas’
maybe I should go in that direction an play with that a little
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Zash
The more that has been prepared beforehand, the better
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pep.
I'm happy to betatest in some channel of your choice later on :)
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jonas’
pep., you can bookmark botkindergarten@conference.zombofant.net
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pep.
done
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jonas’
there’s a Secretary there right now, but it’s broken for a reason I don’t know
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Ge0rG
0410?