XMPP Council - 2019-11-27

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  59. jonas’ .
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  61. Ge0rG ..
  62. Dave Cridland ...
  63. Zash Soon
  64. Ge0rG Too soon?
  65. Ge0rG maybe even Noonien Soong?
  66. Ge0rG It's time!
  67. daniel Hi
  68. Dave Cridland OK!
  69. Dave Cridland 1) Roll Call
  70. jonas’ is here
  71. Dave Cridland Do we have everyone?
  72. Zash here
  73. Ge0rG .
  74. Dave Cridland of course
  75. daniel and me
  76. Dave Cridland Right, that's everyone.
  77. Dave Cridland Kept counting and missing someone because jonas’ responded so quick. :-)
  78. Dave Cridland 2) Agenda Bashing
  79. jonas’ haha
  80. Dave Cridland The only thing I'd like to do is vote in a new Chair.
  81. Dave Cridland So:
  82. Dave Cridland 3) Nominations for XMPP Council Chair
  83. jonas’ I nominate myself
  84. Dave Cridland Anyone else?
  85. Dave Cridland OK.
  86. Dave Cridland Well, this should make the voting simple.
  87. Ge0rG I've been thinking a while about volunteering for that, but honestly, I just don't have the time.
  88. Dave Cridland 4) Voting:
  89. Dave Cridland We don't have anyone else nominated, so this seems a bit pointless, but I think we technically vote, so:
  90. Dave Cridland I vote for jonas’ :-)
  91. daniel +1
  92. Ge0rG +1 for jonas’
  93. jonas’ I abstain ;)
  94. Zash +1
  95. Ge0rG that makes it a +4/1/-0
  96. Dave Cridland jonas’, You realise your abstention means the vote isn't unanimous by some measurements?
  97. jonas’ Dave Cridland, I am fine with that, unless we need an unanimous vote to proceed
  98. Dave Cridland Nope.
  99. Dave Cridland jonas’, Your meeting, then. Thanks for volunteering!
  100. jonas’ Thanks for your trust. I shall use it wisely.
  101. jonas’ 5) Date of next
  102. jonas’ (and regular meeting time rhythm)
  103. jonas’ This timeslot works well for me for various reasons and I’d like to keep it, if nobody has objections.
  104. Ge0rG Generally this timeslot works for me as well, but I'll be on the road next week
  105. daniel yes the timeslot is fine
  106. Zash Should work for me too
  107. Dave Cridland This timeslot works for me. Presumably if we find it becomes tricky in practise we can review it.
  108. jonas’ sure
  109. jonas’ 6) AOB
  110. jonas’ I have one, but I’d like to let others go first
  111. Dave Cridland waits for Ge0rG.
  112. Dave Cridland I have nothing.
  113. Ge0rG I wanted to mention https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/653 as kind-of-needs-Council
  114. Ge0rG And right now, I don't have anything
  115. Ge0rG All my usual AOBs, while still not clarified, can wait
  116. jonas’ Ge0rG, good point
  117. jonas’ (I should try to make poezio show chat states in a non-obstrusive way for this room.)
  118. jonas’ assuming noone else:
  119. jonas’ quick summary of how I intend to do this: My goal would be to send the agenda by tuesdays, 20:00Z, since I can dedicate much of the time frame from 19:00Z to 20:00Z to this generally
  120. jonas’ so it’s not the 24h-in-advance agenda which would be ideal, but this allows me to dedicate time to collecting everything properly, which is hopefully worth something
  121. jonas’ (at the same time, I hope to use the remainder of that time slot for editor duties, but that’s slightly off-topic)
  122. jonas’ if you have any agenda items which are not in xsf/xeps tagged as Needs Council, send them directly to me (mailto:jonas@zombofant.net or xmpp same address)
  123. jonas’ if you send them to standards@, please CC my mail address explicitly so that I get a copy in a separate inbox
  124. daniel sounds good. thank you jonas’
  125. jonas’ I think that’s it from me
  126. jonas’ if you’ve got any suggestions on how we should run this, I’m of course open for that
  127. Ge0rG jonas’: sounds great (except that this is not the same xmpp address as in your Council application)
  128. Dave Cridland Recreating the Spreadsheet of Doom might be useful.
  129. jonas’ Ge0rG, the other one works too, of course
  130. jonas’ Dave Cridland, good point
  131. pep. We might want to write this down somewhere?
  132. Dave Cridland I'll see if I can find a copy of the last one and hand it over to jonas’ if there's interest?
  133. pep. Wiki might be a good start
  134. pep. "Council process for 2019/2020 term" or sth
  135. jonas’ Dave Cridland, can’t harm
  136. Ge0rG I must say, I didn't miss the Spreadsheet of Doom as much after Tedd started sending those weekly vote summaries. Huge thanks to Tedd BTW
  137. pep. read "process" with lots of quotes
  138. jonas’ pep., someone certainly could. I see you volunteered?
  139. pep. did I?
  140. jonas’ (the submission suggestions I’ll put below each agenda mail just like dave did, because that’s a good thing IMO)
  141. pep. That'd be great if council could handle that themselves tbh
  142. jonas’ pep., I agree.
  143. pep. They know better
  144. jonas’ +should
  145. Dave Cridland pep., Seems more of a Board thing. :-P
  146. pep. Dave Cridland, to choose meeting dates and internal council processes? :)
  147. Dave Cridland pep., To put things in Wiki pages. :-)
  148. pep. board can appoint people to do that for sure :-°
  149. Dave Cridland Well played.
  150. Ge0rG Can board appoint somebody to make our wiki mobile-friendly?
  151. jonas’ I think this is getting off-topic.
  152. pep. Sorry
  153. jonas’ Thanks for your additional input and trust again :)
  154. jonas’ 7) Ite, Meeting Est.
  155. Zash Woop
  156. Dave Cridland Thanks, jonas’!
  157. jonas’ one way to deal with the spreadsheet-of-doom thing would be to re-vive Secretary
  158. jonas’ also, if I read this correctly, Ge0rG has superpowers in this room. I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
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  160. Ge0rG jonas’: I'm sorry, my powers are not super enough to do that.
  161. jonas’ fascinating, then the sorting in poezio is misleading
  162. pep. indeed
  163. jonas’ re-routing my request to ralphm or Kev: I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.
  164. Zash Ge0rG: I looked at the wiki btw. Unfortunately it's yet another herd of hairy yaks.
  165. Ge0rG Zash: that's sad to hear.
  166. Ge0rG Zash: you could start with your bio for the Council page, though ;)
  167. jonas’ If only we had working Reactions.
  168. jonas’ then Secretary could use those to acknowledge understanding of messages instead of a full message, reducing the cognitive load
  169. Dave Cridland I did https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/656 BTW, so I'd hold off on the bios until that's merged.
  170. Zash Any suggestions?
  171. jonas’ Zash, something prosody? I don’t know what and if your dayjob has anything to do with XMPP.
  172. Zash Prosody and Prosody accessiores.
  173. jonas’ Dave Cridland, merged
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  176. pep. jonas’, maybe get Tedd onboard with secretary? I think that would be a great addition to council's panel (a bit of automation) if people have some time to invest
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  178. jonas’ pep., problem is that secretary wasn’t well received due to the level of noise it produced
  179. jonas’ I’m not sure how to reduce the level of noise though
  180. jonas’ writing the software itself isn’t an issue
  181. pep. Design issues that can probably be worked out
  182. jonas’ pep., then suggestions are stronly welcome
  183. pep. Also people need to learn how to work with tools if it can alleviate some work from other volunteers :)
  184. pep. (and tools can be changed)
  185. jonas’ pep., yes please make suggestions how to change the tools
  186. jonas’ we don’t have a way to send messages which are shown in a more "bland" way by default, so the choices seem to be "not confirm actions explicitly" (which can be dangerous since votes are involved) or "clutter the backlog", both of which are quite meh
  187. jonas’ pep., https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2019-01-23#2019-01-23-c7e1846fae720801 here’s the last meeting with secretary where it became quite apparent
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  189. Ge0rG Isn't a tool a tool because they *can't* be changed? :P
  190. jonas’ Looking at the backlog, things might be slightly improved if the power to manage polls is at the chair only
  191. jonas’ (manage = create, delete, rename)
  192. jonas’ anyways, gotta take care of some soup
  193. pep. jonas’, I think most of the confusion was that people didn't know how to talk to the bot? Or get their vote counted?
  194. pep. Also votes were created during the meeting and not beforehand?
  195. jonas’ the former: maybe
  196. jonas’ the latter: yes, which is also a good-ish thing because Secretary will announce additional metadata on the just-created poll and it marks it as "active", i.e. vote commadns without context will be attached to that poll
  197. jonas’ this could probably be improved by adding an "agenda" layer
  198. jonas’ maybe I should go in that direction an play with that a little
  199. Zash The more that has been prepared beforehand, the better
  200. pep. I'm happy to betatest in some channel of your choice later on :)
  201. jonas’ pep., you can bookmark botkindergarten@conference.zombofant.net
  202. pep. done
  203. jonas’ there’s a Secretary there right now, but it’s broken for a reason I don’t know
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  206. Ge0rG 0410?
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