XMPP Council - 2019-11-27

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Soon

Too soon?

maybe even Noonien Soong?

It's time!

Hi

OK!

1) Roll Call

Do we have everyone?

and me

Right, that's everyone.

Kept counting and missing someone because jonas’ responded so quick. :-)

2) Agenda Bashing

haha

The only thing I'd like to do is vote in a new Chair.

So:

3) Nominations for XMPP Council Chair

I nominate myself

Anyone else?

OK.

Well, this should make the voting simple.

I've been thinking a while about volunteering for that, but honestly, I just don't have the time.

4) Voting:

We don't have anyone else nominated, so this seems a bit pointless, but I think we technically vote, so:

I vote for jonas’ :-)

+1

+1 for jonas’

I abstain ;)

+1

that makes it a +4/1/-0

jonas’, You realise your abstention means the vote isn't unanimous by some measurements?

Dave Cridland, I am fine with that, unless we need an unanimous vote to proceed

Nope.

jonas’, Your meeting, then. Thanks for volunteering!

Thanks for your trust. I shall use it wisely.

5) Date of next

(and regular meeting time rhythm)

This timeslot works well for me for various reasons and I’d like to keep it, if nobody has objections.

Generally this timeslot works for me as well, but I'll be on the road next week

yes the timeslot is fine

Should work for me too

This timeslot works for me. Presumably if we find it becomes tricky in practise we can review it.

sure

6) AOB

I have one, but I’d like to let others go first

I have nothing.

I wanted to mention https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/653 as kind-of-needs-Council

And right now, I don't have anything

All my usual AOBs, while still not clarified, can wait

Ge0rG, good point

(I should try to make poezio show chat states in a non-obstrusive way for this room.)

assuming noone else:

quick summary of how I intend to do this: My goal would be to send the agenda by tuesdays, 20:00Z, since I can dedicate much of the time frame from 19:00Z to 20:00Z to this generally

so it’s not the 24h-in-advance agenda which would be ideal, but this allows me to dedicate time to collecting everything properly, which is hopefully worth something

(at the same time, I hope to use the remainder of that time slot for editor duties, but that’s slightly off-topic)

if you have any agenda items which are not in xsf/xeps tagged as Needs Council, send them directly to me (mailto:jonas@zombofant.net or xmpp same address)

if you send them to standards@, please CC my mail address explicitly so that I get a copy in a separate inbox

sounds good. thank you jonas’

I think that’s it from me

if you’ve got any suggestions on how we should run this, I’m of course open for that

jonas’: sounds great (except that this is not the same xmpp address as in your Council application)

Recreating the Spreadsheet of Doom might be useful.

Ge0rG, the other one works too, of course

Dave Cridland, good point

We might want to write this down somewhere?

I'll see if I can find a copy of the last one and hand it over to jonas’ if there's interest?

Wiki might be a good start

"Council process for 2019/2020 term" or sth

Dave Cridland, can’t harm

I must say, I didn't miss the Spreadsheet of Doom as much after Tedd started sending those weekly vote summaries. Huge thanks to Tedd BTW

read "process" with lots of quotes

pep., someone certainly could. I see you volunteered?

did I?

(the submission suggestions I’ll put below each agenda mail just like dave did, because that’s a good thing IMO)

That'd be great if council could handle that themselves tbh

pep., I agree.

They know better

+should

pep., Seems more of a Board thing. :-P

Dave Cridland, to choose meeting dates and internal council processes? :)

pep., To put things in Wiki pages. :-)

board can appoint people to do that for sure :-°

Well played.

Can board appoint somebody to make our wiki mobile-friendly?

I think this is getting off-topic.

Sorry

Thanks for your additional input and trust again :)

7) Ite, Meeting Est.

Woop

Thanks, jonas’!

one way to deal with the spreadsheet-of-doom thing would be to re-vive Secretary

also, if I read this correctly, Ge0rG has superpowers in this room. I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.

jonas’: I'm sorry, my powers are not super enough to do that.

fascinating, then the sorting in poezio is misleading

indeed

re-routing my request to ralphm or Kev: I’d like to have it so that I can see real JIDs here for a quick identity check, too.

Ge0rG: I looked at the wiki btw. Unfortunately it's yet another herd of hairy yaks.

Zash: that's sad to hear.

Zash: you could start with your bio for the Council page, though ;)

If only we had working Reactions.

then Secretary could use those to acknowledge understanding of messages instead of a full message, reducing the cognitive load

I did https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/656 BTW, so I'd hold off on the bios until that's merged.

Any suggestions?

Zash, something prosody? I don’t know what and if your dayjob has anything to do with XMPP.

Prosody and Prosody accessiores.

Dave Cridland, merged

jonas’, maybe get Tedd onboard with secretary? I think that would be a great addition to council's panel (a bit of automation) if people have some time to invest

pep., problem is that secretary wasn’t well received due to the level of noise it produced

I’m not sure how to reduce the level of noise though

writing the software itself isn’t an issue

Design issues that can probably be worked out

pep., then suggestions are stronly welcome

Also people need to learn how to work with tools if it can alleviate some work from other volunteers :)

(and tools can be changed)

pep., yes please make suggestions how to change the tools

we don’t have a way to send messages which are shown in a more "bland" way by default, so the choices seem to be "not confirm actions explicitly" (which can be dangerous since votes are involved) or "clutter the backlog", both of which are quite meh

pep., https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2019-01-23#2019-01-23-c7e1846fae720801 here’s the last meeting with secretary where it became quite apparent

Isn't a tool a tool because they *can't* be changed? :P

Looking at the backlog, things might be slightly improved if the power to manage polls is at the chair only

(manage = create, delete, rename)

anyways, gotta take care of some soup

jonas’, I think most of the confusion was that people didn't know how to talk to the bot? Or get their vote counted?

Also votes were created during the meeting and not beforehand?

the former: maybe

the latter: yes, which is also a good-ish thing because Secretary will announce additional metadata on the just-created poll and it marks it as "active", i.e. vote commadns without context will be attached to that poll

this could probably be improved by adding an "agenda" layer

maybe I should go in that direction an play with that a little

The more that has been prepared beforehand, the better

I'm happy to betatest in some channel of your choice later on :)

pep., you can bookmark botkindergarten@conference.zombofant.net

done

there’s a Secretary there right now, but it’s broken for a reason I don’t know

0410?