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jonas’
I'll be late by a minute or two, I'm stuck at a train crossing
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Ge0rG
I'm physically present.
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jonas’
'tis time.
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
- jonas’
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Kev
I'm proxying the spirit of Dave and saying he's on his way, but trying to make a working XMPP connection.
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Zash
Here, but at work
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dwd
Here!
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jonas’
daniel?
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daniel
here
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Kev
No, it's Dave, but good effort.
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jonas’
1sec
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jonas’
ok, finally on a thing with a keyboard
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
The only thing I’ve got is the ProtoXEP for character counting.
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jonas’
Anything else?
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dwd
Not from me.
- Zash manages to connect personal laptop via phone to internets
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jonas’
okay, moving on then
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jonas’
3) Items for a Vote
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jonas’
3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Character Counting✎ -
jonas’
3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Character counting in message bodies ✏
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jonas’
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/charcount.html
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jonas’
I’m +1 on this as it is.
- Zash +1
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daniel
+1
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dwd
+1
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jonas’
Ge0rG?
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Ge0rG
I need to read through it yet, on-list
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jonas’
ok
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jonas’
4) Outstanding Votes
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Ge0rG
I'm very sorry, but work and J06.9G have skewed my schedule
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jonas’
except for Ge0rGs outstanding vote on the charcount protoxep, there’s the Reactions thing
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Ge0rG
I'm also outstanding on reactions.
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jonas’
anyone wants to cast votes now? it’s expiring today
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Zash
Reactions seems to be moving now so I don't object. +0 I guess?
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dwd
A report on Reactions and Fastenings is something I could give in AOB?
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jonas’
dwd, let’s hear it now so that we can handle it during the outstanding votes
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Ge0rG
Can we move to AOB then and postpone outstanding votes?
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dwd
Loosely: Kev and I have spent today working through both the feedback on-list and also more generally trying to get a Fastenings with MAM story (and still have it work with full stanza encryption to some degree).
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dwd
We believe we now have somethign we can both implement in our respective servers, and that should be implementable for anyone indeed.
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Kev
I have a related question about Fastening, which I'm updating at this moment. Does anyone care if I make changes without a bump, given I don't think anyone's using it yet?
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jonas’
Kev, it’s experimental, go ahead (IMO)
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Ge0rG
+1 for bumpless re-fastening
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larma
dwd, Kev, do you want to involve other "stakeholders" before presenting your solution?
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dwd
Well, it's hard to do so without a concrete proposal.
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Kev
larma: I think easiest is going to be send out the proposal and gather feedback.
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larma
ok
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dwd
More usefully, this is Experimental, and very much a proposal - though we think it's a working one, we'll no doubt have missed some cases.
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Ge0rG
dwd: were you able to address smart summaries as well?
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dwd
Yes.
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dwd
And they're simpler than we discussed on list.
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jonas’
I’m curious about your proposal and looking forward to it.
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jonas’
I don’t think there’s anything we can discuss in this venue about it though.
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dwd
Kev is typing it as we speak.
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Ge0rG
ralphm will have to re-write https://ralphm.net/blog/2019/09/09/fastening
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dwd
I'm in a management role, here. ;-)
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Kev
Well, I'm typing the fastenings edits. I'm hoping that Dave will write the smart archive bit ;)
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jonas’
okay.
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dwd
(Which I will, then)
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jonas’
Does anyone want to cast or change votes on Reactions?
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jonas’
if my records are up-to-date, dwd is vetoing it
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm -1ing Reactions then, because I agree with Dave on a new-Council-resubmission being formally problematic, and because of the fastening movement
- Ge0rG also got a little AOB
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jonas’
I’m also -1 on Reactions now for the same reasons as stated by Ge0rG, but I’ll consider a resubmission if and only if Fastenings isn’t turning out useful.
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daniel
fwiw as the one who brought it back to the table and the only one who voted +1 i'm fine with your decisions and i agree with them
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Zash
This is fine.
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Kev
I am trying to maintain momentum here, and if that stops, do chase me.
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daniel
i'm not going to change my own vote (doesn’t matter anyway) - but i agree with it
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larma
Given that it at least brough movement in the fastening discussion again, I am fine as well.
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larma
(fyi, not that it really matters)
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Kev
My offer remains that once Fastening has stabilised a bit I'm willing to try to update the Reactions proposal to reduce the pain on the authors.
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dwd
larmaIt does matter, and I'm glad you're seeing progress.
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jonas’
Zash, "this is fine"?
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jonas’
(you’re still technically on-list)
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dwd
jonas’, That mem with the dog in the burning cafe?
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jonas’
dwd, maybe
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Zash
jonas’, does it matter if I say +0 or nothing while you're vetoing it?
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jonas’
Zash, it matters in the count of expired votes ;)
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dwd
Zash, It means the vote doesn't timeout if you +0 it.
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Kev
I think it kinda does matter that Council are expressing their votes, even when they won't effect a different result.
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jonas’
ok, moving on then.
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jonas’
5) Date of Next
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jonas’
I guess it doesn’t make sense to have a meeting on the 25th
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jonas’
I’d be available on Jan 1st, but I don’t know what about you folks.
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daniel
i'm ok with the 1st
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Ge0rG
most probably not.
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jonas’
I’d also be available on any day in week 1 (30th -- 3rd) if 1st isn’t working out but any other date would
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dwd
I doubt I'd remember on the 1st.
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dwd
I could do the 2nd just fine though.
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daniel
push it to the 2nd?
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Zash
2nd is probably fine for me too
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daniel
because i don’t wont to skip two times
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dwd
And as ever, I'm totally open to changing the time if that's a problem for anyone.
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jonas’
does Jan 2nd usual time usual place work for everyone?
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jonas’
i.e. 2020-01-02 16:00Z?
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dwd
Yes.
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daniel
Yes
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Ge0rG
probably not, but that's not reason not to do it
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jonas’
okthen
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jonas’
Next meeting is officially at 2020-01-02 16:00Z in this channel.
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Zash
k
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jonas’
6) Any other Business?
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jonas’
Please note that the votes on the ProtoXEP will expire before the next meeting
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jonas’
Ge0rG had a small AOB, so he’s up next
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Ge0rG
thanks, jonas’
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Ge0rG
I just wanted to say that MattJ and me have been implementing XEP-0401 today, with some small deviations, and that the PoC looks good
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Ge0rG
also Zash, who created the foundation for it, thanks very much
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jonas’
XEP-0401: Easy User Onboarding
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jonas’
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.html
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jonas’
that’s amazing
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jonas’
anything else?
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Ge0rG
no
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jonas’
any other any other business?
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dwd
None more from me.✎ -
dwd
No more from me. ✏
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jonas’
7) Ite, Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks everyone
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dwd
Thanks jonas’
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Zash
Thanks
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jonas’
thanks to Kev and dwd specifically for putting in the Fastening effort, thanks to larma for the patience and thanks to Ge0rG and MattJ for the work on '401
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Ge0rG
thanks!
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Kev
Eating Meeting Yeast.
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jonas’
have nice holidays and a Guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr
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jonas’
I also live-updated the Spreadsheet of Doom if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?usp=sharing
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Ge0rG
Zash: it's not too late to vote!
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Zash
How2decide things
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jonas’
said the council member
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Ge0rG
⚅⚁⚅⚂⚀✎ - Ge0rG
- Ge0rG
- Ge0rG
- Ge0rG
- Ge0rG
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Ge0rG
⚁⚃⚅⚅⚃ ✏
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Zash
Ge0rG, make a thing where you shake the phone to provide randomness for that
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Ge0rG
Zash: there used to be a dice rolling app for Android where you had to shake your phone to trigger the dice rolling.
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Zash
jonas’, eh, fine, -1, your condition, until an update
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Zash
"rageshake" is a thing apparently
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jonas’
\o/
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Zash
I'm happy that the thing is moving forward