I'm very sorry, but work and J06.9G have skewed my schedule
jonas’
except for Ge0rGs outstanding vote on the charcount protoxep, there’s the Reactions thing
Ge0rG
I'm also outstanding on reactions.
jonas’
anyone wants to cast votes now? it’s expiring today
Zash
Reactions seems to be moving now so I don't object. +0 I guess?
dwd
A report on Reactions and Fastenings is something I could give in AOB?
jonas’
dwd, let’s hear it now so that we can handle it during the outstanding votes
Ge0rG
Can we move to AOB then and postpone outstanding votes?
dwd
Loosely: Kev and I have spent today working through both the feedback on-list and also more generally trying to get a Fastenings with MAM story (and still have it work with full stanza encryption to some degree).
dwd
We believe we now have somethign we can both implement in our respective servers, and that should be implementable for anyone indeed.
Kev
I have a related question about Fastening, which I'm updating at this moment. Does anyone care if I make changes without a bump, given I don't think anyone's using it yet?
jonas’
Kev, it’s experimental, go ahead (IMO)
Ge0rG
+1 for bumpless re-fastening
larma
dwd, Kev, do you want to involve other "stakeholders" before presenting your solution?
dwd
Well, it's hard to do so without a concrete proposal.
Kev
larma: I think easiest is going to be send out the proposal and gather feedback.
larma
ok
dwd
More usefully, this is Experimental, and very much a proposal - though we think it's a working one, we'll no doubt have missed some cases.
Ge0rG
dwd: were you able to address smart summaries as well?
dwd
Yes.
dwd
And they're simpler than we discussed on list.
jonas’
I’m curious about your proposal and looking forward to it.
jonas’
I don’t think there’s anything we can discuss in this venue about it though.
dwd
Kev is typing it as we speak.
Ge0rG
ralphm will have to re-write https://ralphm.net/blog/2019/09/09/fastening
dwd
I'm in a management role, here. ;-)
Kev
Well, I'm typing the fastenings edits. I'm hoping that Dave will write the smart archive bit ;)
jonas’
okay.
dwd
(Which I will, then)
jonas’
Does anyone want to cast or change votes on Reactions?
jonas’
if my records are up-to-date, dwd is vetoing it
Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm -1ing Reactions then, because I agree with Dave on a new-Council-resubmission being formally problematic, and because of the fastening movement
Ge0rGalso got a little AOB
jonas’
I’m also -1 on Reactions now for the same reasons as stated by Ge0rG, but I’ll consider a resubmission if and only if Fastenings isn’t turning out useful.
daniel
fwiw as the one who brought it back to the table and the only one who voted +1 i'm fine with your decisions and i agree with them
Zash
This is fine.
Kev
I am trying to maintain momentum here, and if that stops, do chase me.
daniel
i'm not going to change my own vote (doesn’t matter anyway) - but i agree with it
larma
Given that it at least brough movement in the fastening discussion again, I am fine as well.
larma
(fyi, not that it really matters)
Kev
My offer remains that once Fastening has stabilised a bit I'm willing to try to update the Reactions proposal to reduce the pain on the authors.
dwd
larmaIt does matter, and I'm glad you're seeing progress.
jonas’
Zash, "this is fine"?
jonas’
(you’re still technically on-list)
dwd
jonas’, That mem with the dog in the burning cafe?
jonas’
dwd, maybe
Zash
jonas’, does it matter if I say +0 or nothing while you're vetoing it?
jonas’
Zash, it matters in the count of expired votes ;)
dwd
Zash, It means the vote doesn't timeout if you +0 it.
Kev
I think it kinda does matter that Council are expressing their votes, even when they won't effect a different result.
jonas’
ok, moving on then.
jonas’
5) Date of Next
jonas’
I guess it doesn’t make sense to have a meeting on the 25th
jonas’
I’d be available on Jan 1st, but I don’t know what about you folks.
daniel
i'm ok with the 1st
Ge0rG
most probably not.
jonas’
I’d also be available on any day in week 1 (30th -- 3rd) if 1st isn’t working out but any other date would
dwd
I doubt I'd remember on the 1st.
dwd
I could do the 2nd just fine though.
daniel
push it to the 2nd?
Zash
2nd is probably fine for me too
daniel
because i don’t wont to skip two times
dwd
And as ever, I'm totally open to changing the time if that's a problem for anyone.
jonas’
does Jan 2nd usual time usual place work for everyone?
jonas’
i.e. 2020-01-02 16:00Z?
dwd
Yes.
daniel
Yes
Ge0rG
probably not, but that's not reason not to do it
jonas’
okthen
jonas’
Next meeting is officially at 2020-01-02 16:00Z in this channel.
Zash
k
jonas’
6) Any other Business?
jonas’
Please note that the votes on the ProtoXEP will expire before the next meeting
jonas’
Ge0rG had a small AOB, so he’s up next
Ge0rG
thanks, jonas’
Ge0rG
I just wanted to say that MattJ and me have been implementing XEP-0401 today, with some small deviations, and that the PoC looks good
Ge0rG
also Zash, who created the foundation for it, thanks very much
thanks to Kev and dwd specifically for putting in the Fastening effort, thanks to larma for the patience and thanks to Ge0rG and MattJ for the work on '401
Ge0rG
thanks!
Kev
Eating Meeting Yeast.
jonas’
have nice holidays and a Guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr
jonas’
I also live-updated the Spreadsheet of Doom if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?usp=sharing