Ge0rGI'm very sorry, but work and J06.9G have skewed my schedule
jonas’except for Ge0rGs outstanding vote on the charcount protoxep, there’s the Reactions thing
Ge0rGI'm also outstanding on reactions.
jonas’anyone wants to cast votes now? it’s expiring today
ZashReactions seems to be moving now so I don't object. +0 I guess?
dwdA report on Reactions and Fastenings is something I could give in AOB?
jonas’dwd, let’s hear it now so that we can handle it during the outstanding votes
Ge0rGCan we move to AOB then and postpone outstanding votes?
dwdLoosely: Kev and I have spent today working through both the feedback on-list and also more generally trying to get a Fastenings with MAM story (and still have it work with full stanza encryption to some degree).
dwdWe believe we now have somethign we can both implement in our respective servers, and that should be implementable for anyone indeed.
KevI have a related question about Fastening, which I'm updating at this moment. Does anyone care if I make changes without a bump, given I don't think anyone's using it yet?
jonas’Kev, it’s experimental, go ahead (IMO)
Ge0rG+1 for bumpless re-fastening
larmadwd, Kev, do you want to involve other "stakeholders" before presenting your solution?
dwdWell, it's hard to do so without a concrete proposal.
Kevlarma: I think easiest is going to be send out the proposal and gather feedback.
larmaok
dwdMore usefully, this is Experimental, and very much a proposal - though we think it's a working one, we'll no doubt have missed some cases.
Ge0rGdwd: were you able to address smart summaries as well?
dwdYes.
dwdAnd they're simpler than we discussed on list.
jonas’I’m curious about your proposal and looking forward to it.
jonas’I don’t think there’s anything we can discuss in this venue about it though.
dwdKev is typing it as we speak.
Ge0rGralphm will have to re-write https://ralphm.net/blog/2019/09/09/fastening
dwdI'm in a management role, here. ;-)
KevWell, I'm typing the fastenings edits. I'm hoping that Dave will write the smart archive bit ;)
jonas’okay.
dwd(Which I will, then)
jonas’Does anyone want to cast or change votes on Reactions?
jonas’if my records are up-to-date, dwd is vetoing it
Ge0rGjonas’: I'm -1ing Reactions then, because I agree with Dave on a new-Council-resubmission being formally problematic, and because of the fastening movement
Ge0rGalso got a little AOB
jonas’I’m also -1 on Reactions now for the same reasons as stated by Ge0rG, but I’ll consider a resubmission if and only if Fastenings isn’t turning out useful.
danielfwiw as the one who brought it back to the table and the only one who voted +1 i'm fine with your decisions and i agree with them
ZashThis is fine.
KevI am trying to maintain momentum here, and if that stops, do chase me.
danieli'm not going to change my own vote (doesn’t matter anyway) - but i agree with it
larmaGiven that it at least brough movement in the fastening discussion again, I am fine as well.
larma(fyi, not that it really matters)
KevMy offer remains that once Fastening has stabilised a bit I'm willing to try to update the Reactions proposal to reduce the pain on the authors.
dwdlarmaIt does matter, and I'm glad you're seeing progress.
jonas’Zash, "this is fine"?
jonas’(you’re still technically on-list)
dwdjonas’, That mem with the dog in the burning cafe?
jonas’dwd, maybe
Zashjonas’, does it matter if I say +0 or nothing while you're vetoing it?
jonas’Zash, it matters in the count of expired votes ;)
dwdZash, It means the vote doesn't timeout if you +0 it.
KevI think it kinda does matter that Council are expressing their votes, even when they won't effect a different result.
jonas’ok, moving on then.
jonas’5) Date of Next
jonas’I guess it doesn’t make sense to have a meeting on the 25th
jonas’I’d be available on Jan 1st, but I don’t know what about you folks.
danieli'm ok with the 1st
Ge0rGmost probably not.
jonas’I’d also be available on any day in week 1 (30th -- 3rd) if 1st isn’t working out but any other date would
dwdI doubt I'd remember on the 1st.
dwdI could do the 2nd just fine though.
danielpush it to the 2nd?
Zash2nd is probably fine for me too
danielbecause i don’t wont to skip two times
dwdAnd as ever, I'm totally open to changing the time if that's a problem for anyone.
jonas’does Jan 2nd usual time usual place work for everyone?
jonas’i.e. 2020-01-02 16:00Z?
dwdYes.
danielYes
Ge0rGprobably not, but that's not reason not to do it
jonas’okthen
jonas’Next meeting is officially at 2020-01-02 16:00Z in this channel.
Zashk
jonas’6) Any other Business?
jonas’Please note that the votes on the ProtoXEP will expire before the next meeting
jonas’Ge0rG had a small AOB, so he’s up next
Ge0rGthanks, jonas’
Ge0rGI just wanted to say that MattJ and me have been implementing XEP-0401 today, with some small deviations, and that the PoC looks good
Ge0rGalso Zash, who created the foundation for it, thanks very much
jonas’XEP-0401: Easy User Onboarding
jonas’https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.html
jonas’that’s amazing
jonas’anything else?
Ge0rGno
jonas’any other any other business?
dwdNone more from me.
dwdNo more from me.
jonas’7) Ite, Meeting Est
jonas’thanks everyone
dwdThanks jonas’
ZashThanks
jonas’thanks to Kev and dwd specifically for putting in the Fastening effort, thanks to larma for the patience and thanks to Ge0rG and MattJ for the work on '401
Ge0rGthanks!
KevEating Meeting Yeast.
jonas’have nice holidays and a Guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr
jonas’I also live-updated the Spreadsheet of Doom if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?usp=sharing
Ge0rGZash: it's not too late to vote!
ZashHow2decide things
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ZashGe0rG, make a thing where you shake the phone to provide randomness for that
Ge0rGZash: there used to be a dice rolling app for Android where you had to shake your phone to trigger the dice rolling.
Zashjonas’, eh, fine, -1, your condition, until an update