XMPP Council - 2019-12-18

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  66. jonas’ I'll be late by a minute or two, I'm stuck at a train crossing
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  69. Ge0rG I'm physically present.
  70. jonas’ 'tis time.
  71. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  72. jonas’
  73. Kev I'm proxying the spirit of Dave and saying he's on his way, but trying to make a working XMPP connection.
  74. Zash Here, but at work
  75. dwd Here!
  76. jonas’ daniel?
  77. daniel here
  78. Kev No, it's Dave, but good effort.
  79. jonas’ 1sec
  80. jonas’ ok, finally on a thing with a keyboard
  81. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  82. jonas’ The only thing I’ve got is the ProtoXEP for character counting.
  83. jonas’ Anything else?
  84. dwd Not from me.
  85. Zash manages to connect personal laptop via phone to internets
  86. jonas’ okay, moving on then
  87. jonas’ 3) Items for a Vote
  88. jonas’ 3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Character Counting
  89. jonas’ 3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Character counting in message bodies
  90. jonas’ URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/charcount.html
  91. jonas’ I’m +1 on this as it is.
  92. Zash +1
  93. daniel +1
  94. dwd +1
  95. jonas’ Ge0rG?
  96. Ge0rG I need to read through it yet, on-list
  97. jonas’ ok
  98. jonas’ 4) Outstanding Votes
  99. Ge0rG I'm very sorry, but work and J06.9G have skewed my schedule
  100. jonas’ except for Ge0rGs outstanding vote on the charcount protoxep, there’s the Reactions thing
  101. Ge0rG I'm also outstanding on reactions.
  102. jonas’ anyone wants to cast votes now? it’s expiring today
  103. Zash Reactions seems to be moving now so I don't object. +0 I guess?
  104. dwd A report on Reactions and Fastenings is something I could give in AOB?
  105. jonas’ dwd, let’s hear it now so that we can handle it during the outstanding votes
  106. Ge0rG Can we move to AOB then and postpone outstanding votes?
  107. dwd Loosely: Kev and I have spent today working through both the feedback on-list and also more generally trying to get a Fastenings with MAM story (and still have it work with full stanza encryption to some degree).
  108. dwd We believe we now have somethign we can both implement in our respective servers, and that should be implementable for anyone indeed.
  109. Kev I have a related question about Fastening, which I'm updating at this moment. Does anyone care if I make changes without a bump, given I don't think anyone's using it yet?
  110. jonas’ Kev, it’s experimental, go ahead (IMO)
  111. Ge0rG +1 for bumpless re-fastening
  112. larma dwd, Kev, do you want to involve other "stakeholders" before presenting your solution?
  113. dwd Well, it's hard to do so without a concrete proposal.
  114. Kev larma: I think easiest is going to be send out the proposal and gather feedback.
  115. larma ok
  116. dwd More usefully, this is Experimental, and very much a proposal - though we think it's a working one, we'll no doubt have missed some cases.
  117. Ge0rG dwd: were you able to address smart summaries as well?
  118. dwd Yes.
  119. dwd And they're simpler than we discussed on list.
  120. jonas’ I’m curious about your proposal and looking forward to it.
  121. jonas’ I don’t think there’s anything we can discuss in this venue about it though.
  122. dwd Kev is typing it as we speak.
  123. Ge0rG ralphm will have to re-write https://ralphm.net/blog/2019/09/09/fastening
  124. dwd I'm in a management role, here. ;-)
  125. Kev Well, I'm typing the fastenings edits. I'm hoping that Dave will write the smart archive bit ;)
  126. jonas’ okay.
  127. dwd (Which I will, then)
  128. jonas’ Does anyone want to cast or change votes on Reactions?
  129. jonas’ if my records are up-to-date, dwd is vetoing it
  130. Ge0rG jonas’: I'm -1ing Reactions then, because I agree with Dave on a new-Council-resubmission being formally problematic, and because of the fastening movement
  131. Ge0rG also got a little AOB
  132. jonas’ I’m also -1 on Reactions now for the same reasons as stated by Ge0rG, but I’ll consider a resubmission if and only if Fastenings isn’t turning out useful.
  133. daniel fwiw as the one who brought it back to the table and the only one who voted +1 i'm fine with your decisions and i agree with them
  134. Zash This is fine.
  135. Kev I am trying to maintain momentum here, and if that stops, do chase me.
  136. daniel i'm not going to change my own vote (doesn’t matter anyway) - but i agree with it
  137. larma Given that it at least brough movement in the fastening discussion again, I am fine as well.
  138. larma (fyi, not that it really matters)
  139. Kev My offer remains that once Fastening has stabilised a bit I'm willing to try to update the Reactions proposal to reduce the pain on the authors.
  140. dwd larmaIt does matter, and I'm glad you're seeing progress.
  141. jonas’ Zash, "this is fine"?
  142. jonas’ (you’re still technically on-list)
  143. dwd jonas’, That mem with the dog in the burning cafe?
  144. jonas’ dwd, maybe
  145. Zash jonas’, does it matter if I say +0 or nothing while you're vetoing it?
  146. jonas’ Zash, it matters in the count of expired votes ;)
  147. dwd Zash, It means the vote doesn't timeout if you +0 it.
  148. Kev I think it kinda does matter that Council are expressing their votes, even when they won't effect a different result.
  149. jonas’ ok, moving on then.
  150. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  151. jonas’ I guess it doesn’t make sense to have a meeting on the 25th
  152. jonas’ I’d be available on Jan 1st, but I don’t know what about you folks.
  153. daniel i'm ok with the 1st
  154. Ge0rG most probably not.
  155. jonas’ I’d also be available on any day in week 1 (30th -- 3rd) if 1st isn’t working out but any other date would
  156. dwd I doubt I'd remember on the 1st.
  157. dwd I could do the 2nd just fine though.
  158. daniel push it to the 2nd?
  159. Zash 2nd is probably fine for me too
  160. daniel because i don’t wont to skip two times
  161. dwd And as ever, I'm totally open to changing the time if that's a problem for anyone.
  162. jonas’ does Jan 2nd usual time usual place work for everyone?
  163. jonas’ i.e. 2020-01-02 16:00Z?
  164. dwd Yes.
  165. daniel Yes
  166. Ge0rG probably not, but that's not reason not to do it
  167. jonas’ okthen
  168. jonas’ Next meeting is officially at 2020-01-02 16:00Z in this channel.
  169. Zash k
  170. jonas’ 6) Any other Business?
  171. jonas’ Please note that the votes on the ProtoXEP will expire before the next meeting
  172. jonas’ Ge0rG had a small AOB, so he’s up next
  173. Ge0rG thanks, jonas’
  174. Ge0rG I just wanted to say that MattJ and me have been implementing XEP-0401 today, with some small deviations, and that the PoC looks good
  175. Ge0rG also Zash, who created the foundation for it, thanks very much
  176. jonas’ XEP-0401: Easy User Onboarding
  177. jonas’ https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.html
  178. jonas’ that’s amazing
  179. jonas’ anything else?
  180. Ge0rG no
  181. jonas’ any other any other business?
  182. dwd None more from me.
  183. dwd No more from me.
  184. jonas’ 7) Ite, Meeting Est
  185. jonas’ thanks everyone
  186. dwd Thanks jonas’
  187. Zash Thanks
  188. jonas’ thanks to Kev and dwd specifically for putting in the Fastening effort, thanks to larma for the patience and thanks to Ge0rG and MattJ for the work on '401
  189. Ge0rG thanks!
  190. Kev Eating Meeting Yeast.
  191. jonas’ have nice holidays and a Guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr
  192. jonas’ I also live-updated the Spreadsheet of Doom if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?usp=sharing
  193. Ge0rG Zash: it's not too late to vote!
  194. Zash How2decide things
  195. jonas’ said the council member
  196. Ge0rG ⚅⚁⚅⚂⚀
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  203. Zash Ge0rG, make a thing where you shake the phone to provide randomness for that
  204. Ge0rG Zash: there used to be a dice rolling app for Android where you had to shake your phone to trigger the dice rolling.
  205. Zash jonas’, eh, fine, -1, your condition, until an update
  206. Zash "rageshake" is a thing apparently
  207. jonas’ \o/
  208. Zash I'm happy that the thing is moving forward
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