XMPP Council - 2020-01-29

jonas’: re xeps ready for draft https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0225.html as far as I know is implemented in every server since forever?

(sorry for not responding to email, still missing half of them due to mailing list setup...)

moparisthebest, last time I checked (which was years ago) xep114 was implemented everywhere, but xep225 not

moparisthebest: what flow said. I wasn't aware it was implemented at all

moparisthebest, sorry, please respond to the email

I’ll lose this information until the afternoon

moparisthebest, oh, also, no, 114 is implemented, 225 is most certainly not

Someone claimed ejabberd does it

It might be implemented in some places, but I don't think it's widely deployed.

moparisthebest: regarding XEP-0225 - Tigase supports it

FYI, I updated the Spreadsheet Of Doom with the LC/CFE suggestions from the mailing list

I forgot to put that on the agenda for today though

it's time

let's hope my internet is stable

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time!

1) Roll Call

i’m here

Here

dwd apparently didn’t make it

Ge0rG?

Going to get up and leave $work in exactly 30 minutes

Sorry, I'm lagged

2) Agenda Bashing - I note that I forgot about that we asked for XEPs to LC/CFE on the list and that we should probably take one of those to advance - There’s also the LC on XEP-0363 which expired yesterday, so we should vote on that

anything else?

no

3) Items for a vote

3a) Vote on Advancing XEP-0363 to Draft

+1

+1

+1

URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html Abstract: This specification defines a protocol to request permissions from another entity to upload a file to a specific path on an HTTP server and at the same time receive a URL from which that file can later be downloaded again.

I hate the XEP and the fact that we are breaking out from XMPP into HTTP. +1

best +1 vote I’ve seen so far ;)

moving on

3b-ish) We have a bunch of XEPs the community asked us to consider for advancement

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?ts=5de7debe#gid=1654933626

i think bookmarks 2 is a good candidate

I don’t think it is

why?

but maybe I’m wrong

ah, now I understood your comment ("does not need implementations")

makes more sense now (this was about the process)

issuing an LC is probably a good idea

so that’s one, does anyone else have a suggestion which to pick?

I’d not issue more than two LCs this week

ack

on the not more than 1

I’d propose a CFE on XEP-0198

ideally i'd even limit to 1 until we we have a steady thing going

we can do that, too

since we’re not even complete today and it’s fosdem-week, we should start slow maybe

okay, so:

3b) Vote on issuing an LC for XEP-0402: Bookmarks 2 (This Time it’s Serious) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html Abstract: This specification defines a syntax and storage profile for keeping a list of chatroom bookmarks on the server. ✏

+1 for LC

that being said cfe on 198 is probably a good idea. but maybe for next week

+1

+1

Evening folks.

oh, a delayed dwd

you can probably catch up on things while Ge0rGs connection is still doing the same

I'm on a throttled connection and can't open any web application right now.

+1 on max=1

+1 for LC, but I'm not sure it's mature (read: "old") enough yet

Wow, that was laaaag.

Ge0rG, noted, thanks

Ge0rG, so you have LC feedback to post then :)

well we have 3 (non public) implementations. it certainly has some maturity

+1 on LC for 402.

(I don't know what 3a was)

non public == not in production

IIRC there were shortcomings regarding legacy compatibility, that needed sorting out (or at least me realizing that they got sorted out)

but this is not blocking the LC

dwd, 3a was advance XEP-0363 (HTTP Upload) after the LC expired yesterday ✏

yeah i mean that what LC is for. figguring that out

but personally i'm also confident about backward compat

(might need to be spelled out a little more)

I'd welcome that

OK. I'll have to on-list the advance, but expecting to +1.

dwd, alright, thanks

4) Outstanding Votes

those were all cleared before the meeting, good job everyone!

5) Date of Next

\o/

+1w wfm

same

though timing will be tight for me, I’ll have to leave on time

If it's 30 minutes later I can get home even if I stay at work

as in, stay until 16:00Z

later wouldn’t work for me

(that’s what I was trying to say, but I probably worded it badly?)

moving on, in the hopes that it won’t just be the two of us next week

+1 w works for me. but i'm fine with what ever

+1w WFM2, BTW.

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6) AOB

None

jonas’, *waves*

it’s quite unfair that now that we’ve got plenty of time left, Ge0rG is on a slow connection and probably doesn’t want to bring up his eternal AOB

jonas’, Traditions must be kept, though.

jonas’First, thanks for processing those XEPs.

I hope you like the numbers ✏

jonas’, Second, I have an inbound patch for XEP-0431 (full text search), since Matt and Kev cornered me in St Pancras and argued that the beer requirement is an encumbrance; I'll correct that with some speed.

And as a general note, I'm aware there's a lot of unaddressed comments, and agreements to change things piling up - I'll get there soon.

looking forward to it :)

+1w looks good enough

jonas’: I'll type in my eternal AOB now so that it arrives in the MUC when dwd is done

dwd, anything else?

I'm walking to the bus now

(I don’t get typing notifications on this client)

Nothing more.

thanks

so until Ge0rGs eternal AOB arrives, I have a small AOB

1. Thanks that we made it to a complete meeting on Summit travel day and even got a vote passed, that’s amazing!

2. Have a nice summit everyone who’s there, I’ll be attending remotely tomorrow if they don’t cut the power for too long, so there’s that :)

(My apologies for not having got my shit together with HTTP Upload).

Thank you jonas’

dwd, my apologies for not having it announced in the agenda in advance ;)

so, shall we wait for Ge0rGs eternal AOB to arrive just before the end of meeting time, or close right now? ;)

packing up my notebook since i'm arriving asap

alright

7) Ite Meeting Est

thanks everyone, safe travels ✏

Thanks jonas’

jonas’, FYI, I have the branch done for XEP-0431 but my security token is out of reach, so I can't create the PR...

dwd, you can send patches via email to editor@, too ;)

jonas’: please close

(make sure there’s a XEP number in the subject tho)

Ge0rG, I love your lag

jonas’: I don't

Ge0rG, why, it’s just close to 3 minutes ;)

wow, that was fast!

probably because we don’t do as much traffic now

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a factor, with the typing notifications and stuff flying around in addition to the actual payloads

Heh.

Maybe it's also because I closed the google docs tab five minutes ago

oh, yeah

why did you even open that one

it was just informational

jonas’: it looked like you referenced it as a source of things to vote on

Ge0rG, yeah, but not a mandatory source; I didn’t intend to vote on *all* those.

sorry if that was unclear