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Ge0rG
It's the day.
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jonas’
it is
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dwd
'tis nearly the hour.
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jonas’
that, too
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jonas’
dwd, are you feeling better?
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dwd
Well, mostly the antibiotics now. But those stopped today, so should be normalish by tomorrow.
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jonas’
that’s good to hear
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jonas’
'tis time
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
- dwd waves
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jonas’
I sense a Ge0rG
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daniel
Hi
- Ge0rG is there
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jonas’
alrigth, that’s a quorum
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
I note that I forgot about the of Bookmarks 2 which ends today, so we should probably briefly talk about that, too
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jonas’
any other additions?
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dwd
None from me.
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Zash
Here, just sitting down
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Ge0rG
Damn, I also totally forgot about Bookmarks 2.
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jonas’
3) Items for a Vote
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jonas’
3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398 Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/ 036914.html Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a conversion between the two.✎ -
jonas’
3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398 Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/036914.html Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a conversion between the two. ✏
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jonas’
I’m +1 on that one
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dwd
+1 for a Last Call. Fairly confident it can get through.
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daniel
+1 for lc
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Ge0rG
+1 for LC
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Zash
Sure, +1
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jonas’
\o/
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jonas’
3b) End of LC for XEP-0402
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jonas’
I think there was list feedback which should be addressed by the author.
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daniel
I think there is feedback
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dwd
There was list feedback, I shall address it if JC doesn't beat me to it.
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jonas’
even if no substantial changes are to be made, rationales for decisions need to be put in the document IMO so that they are discoverable.
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daniel
But manageable feedback
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jonas’
so nothing to vote on from our side at this point, the editor will issue another LC once the update gets in
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dwd
I'm mildly concerned that part of the feedback was adding password back in - so as author I'd rather see a second LC.
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dwd
(Afterward).
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jonas’
also, the editor will change the title of the XEP with the next update, if nobody comes up with a better suggestion than "Atomic Bookmarks in Private PEP Storage" it’ll be that one.
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Ge0rG
dwd: because you will implement that feedback?
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dwd
It's unclear to me what we do about the request from Flow to have sundry metadata included.
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jonas’
(sundry = unspecified diverse other things?)
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dwd
Ge0rG, Yes, I think so - adding password back in seems to have general consensus.
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dwd
jonas’, Yes, sorry. Generic metadata containment.
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Ge0rG
I vaguely remember having issues regarding backward compatibility requirements, which felt weeker than in 0411.
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jonas’
dwd, I think that the document needs to clearly say what happens to unspecified elements, since the elements pass through many entities
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jonas’
(and clients may "re-write" entries)
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dwd
Indeed.
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dwd
But all this can be sorted on list.
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jonas’
yes
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jonas’
let’s do that
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daniel
Yes I didn't voice that on list (yet). But I also agree that password should be added
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daniel
Even though I don't like passwords
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daniel
Otherwise we simply don't have an upgrade path
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jonas’
4) Outstanding Votes
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jonas’
none that I know of
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jonas’
5) Date of Next
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dwd
FWIW, it breaks on of my own rules of trying to impose things via a new protocol. Bind2 does the same in different ways and annoys me because of it.
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Ge0rG
+1W most probably won't work for me.
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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Zash
+1w wfm
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jonas’
Ge0rG, noted, thanks
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jonas’
moving on
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jonas’
6) AOB
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daniel
None from me
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jonas’
none from me, anyone else?
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Zash
None
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Ge0rG
I'm pondering about better titles for 402
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Ge0rG
Atomic has a... nuclear ring to it
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dwd
I really don't care about what we call it all that much. Though I'm apparently a lot more in favour of silliness than most.
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jonas’
I mostly think of std::atomic<T>
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jonas’
dwd, I’m in favour of peace, and this isn’t a hill for me (Editor) to die on ;)
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Ge0rG
maybe "Atomic bookmarks in PEP" does convey the best message
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dwd
jonas’, Likewise.
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Ge0rG
We need to think of our target audience, which is developers
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jonas’
exactly
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Ge0rG
and it needs to be more attractive than Bookmarks.
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jonas’
we can blow this up. "Atomic Peer Metadata in Private PEP Storage"
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daniel
Can we end the council session before bike shedding that?
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Zash
Bookmarks 2 ✔️
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daniel
I don't think that it is councils job
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jonas’
daniel, we certainly can
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jonas’
7) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks everyone
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Zash
<fin/>
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dwd
daniel, I was trying to come up with a name that included bikeshed, indeed.
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jonas’
thanks everyone
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jonas’
the editor shall duely issue an LC for XEP-0398 now
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Ge0rG
Maybe "Bookmarks 2" isn't that bad after all. It has a clear and short message
- Ge0rG watches jonas’ switching hats
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Zash
XEP-0317: Hats
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Zash
We need it!
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Ge0rG
jonas’: pedantic me claims that the LC for 0402 isn't over yet.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, so?
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jonas’
did I say it was?
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Ge0rG
Hm. No.
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jonas’
:)
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jonas’
I am aware that its end is very muddy
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jonas’
and I’d like to change the template, but that darn 14 day rule is making everything annoying
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Ge0rG
which template?
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jonas’
for LCs
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Ge0rG
the email template?
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jonas’
yeah
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jonas’
instead of "close of business" (in which timezone?!)
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jonas’
to something more clearly defined
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dwd
Whichever timezone suits us, mostly.
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jonas’
(like 6h before the council session on $date)
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pep.
fwiw, I don't consider any of our bookmark XEP bookmarks atm. They're syncing mechanisms as long as "autojoin" is in there
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jonas’
most of the things we do are syncing mechanisms
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jonas’
the roster is, for example
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dwd
Right, but the 14 days means that we cover 3 weeks between Council voting for LC and Council handling the LC outcome.
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jonas’
MAM most certainly is
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jonas’
dwd, yeah, that’s kind of annoying
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jonas’
I’d like to make it 13 ½ days ;)
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pep.
jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmakrs :(✎ -
pep.
jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmarks :( ✏
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pep.
We're going to have other ways to sync anyway, see Inbox, or whatever else is coming
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Ge0rG
jonas’: but then you need to issue the LC right after the Council meeting, not the next day.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, which is *generally* not an issue
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jonas’
though, all of this is typically moot because most of the time we don’t agree on a LC in a single session
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dwd
We generally agree on LC's. Not advancement, though.
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jonas’
maybe
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jonas’
sometimes people aren’t there tho