Well, mostly the antibiotics now. But those stopped today, so should be normalish by tomorrow.
jonas’
that’s good to hear
jonas’
'tis time
jonas’
1) Roll Call
dwdwaves
jonas’
I sense a Ge0rG
daniel
Hi
Ge0rGis there
jonas’
alrigth, that’s a quorum
jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’
I note that I forgot about the of Bookmarks 2 which ends today, so we should probably briefly talk about that, too
jonas’
any other additions?
dwd
None from me.
Zash
Here, just sitting down
Ge0rG
Damn, I also totally forgot about Bookmarks 2.
jonas’
3) Items for a Vote
jonas’
3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398
Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html
Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/
036914.html
Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars
and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a
conversion between the two.✎
jonas’
3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398
Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html
Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/036914.html
Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a conversion between the two. ✏
jonas’
I’m +1 on that one
dwd
+1 for a Last Call. Fairly confident it can get through.
daniel
+1 for lc
Ge0rG
+1 for LC
Zash
Sure, +1
jonas’
\o/
jonas’
3b) End of LC for XEP-0402
jonas’
I think there was list feedback which should be addressed by the author.
daniel
I think there is feedback
dwd
There was list feedback, I shall address it if JC doesn't beat me to it.
jonas’
even if no substantial changes are to be made, rationales for decisions need to be put in the document IMO so that they are discoverable.
daniel
But manageable feedback
jonas’
so nothing to vote on from our side at this point, the editor will issue another LC once the update gets in
dwd
I'm mildly concerned that part of the feedback was adding password back in - so as author I'd rather see a second LC.
dwd
(Afterward).
jonas’
also, the editor will change the title of the XEP with the next update, if nobody comes up with a better suggestion than "Atomic Bookmarks in Private PEP Storage" it’ll be that one.
Ge0rG
dwd: because you will implement that feedback?
dwd
It's unclear to me what we do about the request from Flow to have sundry metadata included.
jonas’
(sundry = unspecified diverse other things?)
dwd
Ge0rG, Yes, I think so - adding password back in seems to have general consensus.
dwd
jonas’, Yes, sorry. Generic metadata containment.
Ge0rG
I vaguely remember having issues regarding backward compatibility requirements, which felt weeker than in 0411.
jonas’
dwd, I think that the document needs to clearly say what happens to unspecified elements, since the elements pass through many entities
jonas’
(and clients may "re-write" entries)
dwd
Indeed.
dwd
But all this can be sorted on list.
jonas’
yes
jonas’
let’s do that
daniel
Yes I didn't voice that on list (yet). But I also agree that password should be added
daniel
Even though I don't like passwords
daniel
Otherwise we simply don't have an upgrade path
jonas’
4) Outstanding Votes
jonas’
none that I know of
jonas’
5) Date of Next
dwd
FWIW, it breaks on of my own rules of trying to impose things via a new protocol. Bind2 does the same in different ways and annoys me because of it.
Ge0rG
+1W most probably won't work for me.
jonas’
+1w wfm
Zash
+1w wfm
jonas’
Ge0rG, noted, thanks
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moving on
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6) AOB
daniel
None from me
jonas’
none from me, anyone else?
Zash
None
Ge0rG
I'm pondering about better titles for 402
Ge0rG
Atomic has a... nuclear ring to it
dwd
I really don't care about what we call it all that much. Though I'm apparently a lot more in favour of silliness than most.
jonas’
I mostly think of std::atomic<T>
jonas’
dwd, I’m in favour of peace, and this isn’t a hill for me (Editor) to die on ;)
Ge0rG
maybe "Atomic bookmarks in PEP" does convey the best message
dwd
jonas’, Likewise.
Ge0rG
We need to think of our target audience, which is developers
jonas’
exactly
Ge0rG
and it needs to be more attractive than Bookmarks.
jonas’
we can blow this up. "Atomic Peer Metadata in Private PEP Storage"
daniel
Can we end the council session before bike shedding that?
Zash
Bookmarks 2 ✔️
daniel
I don't think that it is councils job
jonas’
daniel, we certainly can
jonas’
7) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’
thanks everyone
Zash
<fin/>
dwd
daniel, I was trying to come up with a name that included bikeshed, indeed.
jonas’
thanks everyone
jonas’
the editor shall duely issue an LC for XEP-0398 now
Ge0rG
Maybe "Bookmarks 2" isn't that bad after all. It has a clear and short message
Ge0rGwatches jonas’ switching hats
Zash
XEP-0317: Hats
Zash
We need it!
Ge0rG
jonas’: pedantic me claims that the LC for 0402 isn't over yet.
jonas’
Ge0rG, so?
jonas’
did I say it was?
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Ge0rG
Hm. No.
jonas’
:)
jonas’
I am aware that its end is very muddy
jonas’
and I’d like to change the template, but that darn 14 day rule is making everything annoying
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Ge0rG
which template?
jonas’
for LCs
Ge0rG
the email template?
jonas’
yeah
jonas’
instead of "close of business" (in which timezone?!)
jonas’
to something more clearly defined
dwd
Whichever timezone suits us, mostly.
jonas’
(like 6h before the council session on $date)
pep.
fwiw, I don't consider any of our bookmark XEP bookmarks atm. They're syncing mechanisms as long as "autojoin" is in there
jonas’
most of the things we do are syncing mechanisms
jonas’
the roster is, for example
dwd
Right, but the 14 days means that we cover 3 weeks between Council voting for LC and Council handling the LC outcome.
jonas’
MAM most certainly is
jonas’
dwd, yeah, that’s kind of annoying
jonas’
I’d like to make it 13 ½ days ;)
pep.
jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmakrs :(✎
pep.
jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmarks :( ✏
pep.
We're going to have other ways to sync anyway, see Inbox, or whatever else is coming
Ge0rG
jonas’: but then you need to issue the LC right after the Council meeting, not the next day.
jonas’
Ge0rG, which is *generally* not an issue
jonas’
though, all of this is typically moot because most of the time we don’t agree on a LC in a single session
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dwd
We generally agree on LC's. Not advancement, though.