XMPP Council - 2020-02-12

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  53. Ge0rG It's the day.
  54. jonas’ it is
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  56. dwd 'tis nearly the hour.
  57. jonas’ that, too
  58. jonas’ dwd, are you feeling better?
  59. dwd Well, mostly the antibiotics now. But those stopped today, so should be normalish by tomorrow.
  60. jonas’ that’s good to hear
  61. jonas’ 'tis time
  62. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  63. dwd waves
  64. jonas’ I sense a Ge0rG
  65. daniel Hi
  66. Ge0rG is there
  67. jonas’ alrigth, that’s a quorum
  68. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  69. jonas’ I note that I forgot about the of Bookmarks 2 which ends today, so we should probably briefly talk about that, too
  70. jonas’ any other additions?
  71. dwd None from me.
  72. Zash Here, just sitting down
  73. Ge0rG Damn, I also totally forgot about Bookmarks 2.
  74. jonas’ 3) Items for a Vote
  75. jonas’ 3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398 Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/ 036914.html Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a conversion between the two.
  76. jonas’ 3a) Issue a Last Call for XEP-0398 Title: User Avatar to vCard-Based Avatars Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html Nominated-By: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-January/036914.html Abstract: This specification describes a method for using PEP based avatars and vCard based avatars in parallel by having the user’s server do a conversion between the two.
  77. jonas’ I’m +1 on that one
  78. dwd +1 for a Last Call. Fairly confident it can get through.
  79. daniel +1 for lc
  80. Ge0rG +1 for LC
  81. Zash Sure, +1
  82. jonas’ \o/
  83. jonas’ 3b) End of LC for XEP-0402
  84. jonas’ I think there was list feedback which should be addressed by the author.
  85. daniel I think there is feedback
  86. dwd There was list feedback, I shall address it if JC doesn't beat me to it.
  87. jonas’ even if no substantial changes are to be made, rationales for decisions need to be put in the document IMO so that they are discoverable.
  88. daniel But manageable feedback
  89. jonas’ so nothing to vote on from our side at this point, the editor will issue another LC once the update gets in
  90. dwd I'm mildly concerned that part of the feedback was adding password back in - so as author I'd rather see a second LC.
  91. dwd (Afterward).
  92. jonas’ also, the editor will change the title of the XEP with the next update, if nobody comes up with a better suggestion than "Atomic Bookmarks in Private PEP Storage" it’ll be that one.
  93. Ge0rG dwd: because you will implement that feedback?
  94. dwd It's unclear to me what we do about the request from Flow to have sundry metadata included.
  95. jonas’ (sundry = unspecified diverse other things?)
  96. dwd Ge0rG, Yes, I think so - adding password back in seems to have general consensus.
  97. dwd jonas’, Yes, sorry. Generic metadata containment.
  98. Ge0rG I vaguely remember having issues regarding backward compatibility requirements, which felt weeker than in 0411.
  99. jonas’ dwd, I think that the document needs to clearly say what happens to unspecified elements, since the elements pass through many entities
  100. jonas’ (and clients may "re-write" entries)
  101. dwd Indeed.
  102. dwd But all this can be sorted on list.
  103. jonas’ yes
  104. jonas’ let’s do that
  105. daniel Yes I didn't voice that on list (yet). But I also agree that password should be added
  106. daniel Even though I don't like passwords
  107. daniel Otherwise we simply don't have an upgrade path
  108. jonas’ 4) Outstanding Votes
  109. jonas’ none that I know of
  110. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  111. dwd FWIW, it breaks on of my own rules of trying to impose things via a new protocol. Bind2 does the same in different ways and annoys me because of it.
  112. Ge0rG +1W most probably won't work for me.
  113. jonas’ +1w wfm
  114. Zash +1w wfm
  115. jonas’ Ge0rG, noted, thanks
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  117. jonas’ moving on
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  119. jonas’ 6) AOB
  120. daniel None from me
  121. jonas’ none from me, anyone else?
  122. Zash None
  123. Ge0rG I'm pondering about better titles for 402
  124. Ge0rG Atomic has a... nuclear ring to it
  125. dwd I really don't care about what we call it all that much. Though I'm apparently a lot more in favour of silliness than most.
  126. jonas’ I mostly think of std::atomic<T>
  127. jonas’ dwd, I’m in favour of peace, and this isn’t a hill for me (Editor) to die on ;)
  128. Ge0rG maybe "Atomic bookmarks in PEP" does convey the best message
  129. dwd jonas’, Likewise.
  130. Ge0rG We need to think of our target audience, which is developers
  131. jonas’ exactly
  132. Ge0rG and it needs to be more attractive than Bookmarks.
  133. jonas’ we can blow this up. "Atomic Peer Metadata in Private PEP Storage"
  134. daniel Can we end the council session before bike shedding that?
  135. Zash Bookmarks 2 ✔️
  136. daniel I don't think that it is councils job
  137. jonas’ daniel, we certainly can
  138. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  139. jonas’ thanks everyone
  140. Zash <fin/>
  141. dwd daniel, I was trying to come up with a name that included bikeshed, indeed.
  142. jonas’ thanks everyone
  143. jonas’ the editor shall duely issue an LC for XEP-0398 now
  144. Ge0rG Maybe "Bookmarks 2" isn't that bad after all. It has a clear and short message
  145. Ge0rG watches jonas’ switching hats
  146. Zash XEP-0317: Hats
  147. Zash We need it!
  148. Ge0rG jonas’: pedantic me claims that the LC for 0402 isn't over yet.
  149. jonas’ Ge0rG, so?
  150. jonas’ did I say it was?
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  152. Ge0rG Hm. No.
  153. jonas’ :)
  154. jonas’ I am aware that its end is very muddy
  155. jonas’ and I’d like to change the template, but that darn 14 day rule is making everything annoying
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  157. Ge0rG which template?
  158. jonas’ for LCs
  159. Ge0rG the email template?
  160. jonas’ yeah
  161. jonas’ instead of "close of business" (in which timezone?!)
  162. jonas’ to something more clearly defined
  163. dwd Whichever timezone suits us, mostly.
  164. jonas’ (like 6h before the council session on $date)
  165. pep. fwiw, I don't consider any of our bookmark XEP bookmarks atm. They're syncing mechanisms as long as "autojoin" is in there
  166. jonas’ most of the things we do are syncing mechanisms
  167. jonas’ the roster is, for example
  168. dwd Right, but the 14 days means that we cover 3 weeks between Council voting for LC and Council handling the LC outcome.
  169. jonas’ MAM most certainly is
  170. jonas’ dwd, yeah, that’s kind of annoying
  171. jonas’ I’d like to make it 13 ½ days ;)
  172. pep. jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmakrs :(
  173. pep. jonas’, I'd like to have a dumb JID/URI list that I can call bookmarks :(
  174. pep. We're going to have other ways to sync anyway, see Inbox, or whatever else is coming
  175. Ge0rG jonas’: but then you need to issue the LC right after the Council meeting, not the next day.
  176. jonas’ Ge0rG, which is *generally* not an issue
  177. jonas’ though, all of this is typically moot because most of the time we don’t agree on a LC in a single session
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  182. dwd We generally agree on LC's. Not advancement, though.
  183. jonas’ maybe
  184. jonas’ sometimes people aren’t there tho
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