XMPP Council - 2020-02-19

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  46. jonas’


  47. jonas’

    just arrived at home

  48. Zash

    Just started some coffee

  49. pep.

    ugh already wednesday

  50. jonas’

    'tis time

  51. jonas’

    1) Roll Cal

  52. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  53. daniel

    I’m here

  54. Zash


  55. jonas’

    me too \o/

  56. jonas’

    I suspect dwd might also be here, and IIRC Ge0rG sent apologies.

  57. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  58. jonas’

    anything to add to the agenda?

  59. Zash

    Don't think so

  60. jonas’

    3) Items for a Vote

  61. jonas’

    3a) Start Last Call on XEP-0429 Title: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0429.html Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group (SIG) within the XSF devoted to the development of end-to-end encryption within the context of XMPP.

  62. jonas’

    +1 for LC

  63. Zash


  64. Zash

    (why do these even go through LC?)

  65. jonas’

    so that the details can be figured out in versioning under XSF IPR instead of in weird protoxep state

  66. daniel

    i don’t understand why the formation of sigs goes through the xep process

  67. daniel

    or more specifically why it goes through council

  68. jonas’

    council is specifically responsible for SIGs

  69. daniel

    but yeah if we are responsible for that I’m +1

  70. jonas’

    by definition

  71. jonas’

    > A Special Interest Group (SIG) is a working group approved by the XMPP Council

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  73. pep.

    Yeah I also don't really understand. Hysterical raisins

  74. jonas’

    they work on technical things

  75. Zash

    So it's like we delegate some work to that group

  76. daniel

    still the multistep process doesn’t make sense

  77. daniel

    do we now have to wait 6 month and for 2 implementations?

  78. jonas’

    daniel, it kind of does. there was a bit discussion about the formalities of the SIG formation, and I think it makes a lot of sense to iron those out in Experimental

  79. jonas’

    (or LC)

  80. jonas’

    daniel, you confuse Active with Draft

  81. Zash

    It's not a Standards Track tho

  82. jonas’

    daniel, you confuse Active with Final

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  84. daniel

    ah; mhhh never mind then

  85. daniel

    +1 on the LC

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  87. jonas’

    moving on

  88. jonas’

    3b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Simple JSON Messaging URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/udt.html Abstract: This specification proposes a simple mechanism by which applications can transfer data safely, without needing additional protocol design work. It is intended to provide a protocol that is trivial to implement and can be driven with a simple API.

  89. jonas’

    again, +1

  90. Zash


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  92. jonas’

    (pinging dwd )

  93. jonas’

    no dwd apparently

  94. jonas’

    moving on

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    3c) Proposed XMPP Extension: Trust Messages URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/trust-messages.html Abstract: This document specifies a way to communicate the trust in public long-term keys used by end-to-end encryption protocols from one endpoint to another.

  96. jonas’

    I’m on-list on that one, haven’t had a chance to read it yet

  97. dwd

    Sorry, distracted at the wrong moment.

  98. Zash


  99. daniel


  100. dwd

    I'm +1 on (3a), +1 on (3b), and +0 on (3c).

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    4) Outstanding Votes

  103. jonas’

    none from previous meetings, you’re all awesome!

  104. jonas’

    5) Date of Next

  105. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  106. jonas’

    (though I’ll have to leave on time for burgers)

  107. dwd

    +1 to +1w.

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  109. daniel

    i’ll be on a train with probably very spotty internet connection; but i'll try to make it

  110. jonas’

    noted, thanks

  111. jonas’

    6) AOB

  112. jonas’

    I don’t have any, does anyone else?

  113. dwd

    We need to figure out and restart that process discussion, I think. But not here.

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  116. jonas’

    by process discussion you mean the ProtoXEP/Experimental mess?

  117. dwd


  118. jonas’

    I meant to work through the thread and form an opinion

  119. jonas’

    I should probably do that some time soon

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  123. jonas’

    7) Ite Meeting Est

  124. jonas’

    thanks all

  125. jonas’

    thanks Tedd :)

  126. Zash

    Thanks jonas’

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