XMPP Council - 2020-03-04

it is extremely unlikely that I'll be on time, as announced. Since nobody volunteered to chair, I'll start the meeting from mobile.

(on time)

alright

traffic wasn’t nice to me, so I headed back to the office

I’m here

Yo

Made it after all. Hooray!

’tis time

1) Roll Call

hi

o/

✏

Here

Ge0rG is excused

2) Agenda Bashing

anything to add?

(grumpiness reduces while head of operations brings me ice-cold chocolate)

let’s go then

3) Editor’s Update - ProtoXEP: Reminders - Expired calls: LC on XEP-0402 - Calls in progress: - CFE: XEP-0066 (Out of Band Data), ends: 2020-03-10 - CFE: XEP-0184 (Message Delivery Receipts), ends: 2020-03-17

(I’m actually not sure that list is complete, but okay)

4) Items for voting

4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Reminders URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reminders.html Abstract: This specification provides a way to set up reminders.

am I still here?

+1

I think it’s a good start, but will require some work to be finally useful. +1

+1

s/useful/whatever/

i'd like to see a few changes (which have been proposed on list by other people) but it's good enough to get under our roof

what daniel says essentially ✏

though it would be good if you stated somewhere for the record which those changes are, because I can see a few conflicting ideas floating around

yes. i think i don’t need my council hat for that. but yes

sure, didn’t mean to say you need a council hat for that :)

dwd?

(I /cycle’d the room, did I miss a message by dwd at 16:03Z or did he not reply at all yet?)

+1

there we go

thanks :)

moving on

4b) Decide on advancement of XEP-0402 Title: PEP Native Bookmarks URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html Abstract: This specification defines a syntax and storage profile for keeping a list of chatroom bookmarks on the server. ✏

This is the second LC. I think there was zero feedback on list?

So, no complaints? :)

I think we can safely assume that

given that the last LC had quite some echo

I am +1 on advancement under that light

So, +1

I think all the feedback from the original was addressed. I think we're through the last significant changes. +1

i’m gonna be on list. tbh I missed that those changes had actually been made yet

that was the reason for the auto-new-LC by Editors :)

it'll probably be fine though

but fair enough

next:

4c) PR#898 Title: XEP-0060: Specify that empty <item/> are invalid on publish URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/898

I can give more context if needed, though I think the diff should be pretty self-explanatory

it is currently undefined behaviour in the spec, and I found one server implementation which emitted internal-server-error ;-)

+1

I am +1

+1

So you can set a node to preserve no payloads *and* not include them in the notifications. What's the payload for here?

dwd, you leave the <item/> away completely

as mentioned in the PR comment

It is specified at the beginning of the #publisher-publish-request section

Ah, OK. In that case, I should learn to read, and +1.

> Depending on the node configuration, the <publish/> element MAY contain no <item/> elements or one <item/> element. [18] [19]

I can’t find the exact wording I was looking for, but that’s the idea

No need to rub it in. :-)

okay :D

moving on

5) Outstanding Votes

I think we still have a few, check the spreadsheet of doom please

I try to keep it up-to-date (though I wasn’t able to for this meeting since I’m on the work laptop without credentials)

does anyone want to cast votes now?

(I don’t think anything expires today)

(I also think only Ge0rG is missing votes)

6) Date of Next

+1w wfm ✏

+1 +1w

I may miss next week; I've unexpected travel but I've tried to arrange things so I'll be in the office for that time.

noted, thanks

(my colleage insists to tell my "raid group" (you) that the new boss is strong and you need at least a gnome level 40, whatever they mean by that)

7) AOB

I have a small AOB. Work decided to schedule monthly meetings of uncertain duration for the 1st wednesday each month

so I might sometimes be in the situation to be late, though there has been motion to get the meeting shifted more towards earlier work hours

just a heads up, I’ll inform you in time

any other AOB?

jonas’, I'm absolutely fine with moving this meeting if that works better.

dwd, the time fits *perfectly* for me, it’s the work meeting which annoys me

it *starts* 30 min after my usual leave time, so I’d rather get that changed either way, especially since others also expressed annoyance with that

so I don’t want to change procedures here for now

if there’s nothing else I’m aiming for an early close

sgtm

alright

8) Ite Meeting Est

thanks everyone

thanks Tedd

thank you jonas’

jonas’, Thanks!

thanks jonas’

praise Tedd

jonas’: I can offer a level 70 gnome, but I'd prefer to take the level 24 Black Orc.

Ge0rG: hah