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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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Ge0rG
is still hanging in a conference call
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daniel
Hi
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jonas’
pinging Zash
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Zash
Here
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jonas’
also, hi everyone :)
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
any additions?
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Zash
I can't think of anything.
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jonas’
sorry, got distracted reading daves email
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jonas’
3) Editor’s Report
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jonas’
- Expired calls: None
- Calls in progress:
- LC for XEP-0357 (Push notifications) ends at 2020-04-15
- New ProtoXEP: Room Activity Indicators
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jonas’
by now, the LC has expired
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jonas’
4) Items for Voting
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jonas’
4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Room Activity Indicators
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/room-activity-indicators.html
Abstract: This specification describes a lightweight mechanism for activity
notifications in MUCs.
15:02:47
Ge0rG
And I forgot to read and comment on the Push thread.
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daniel
On list
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jonas’
on list
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Ge0rG
on list
15:03:09
Zash
on List
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jonas’
alright
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jonas’
4b) PR#924
Title: Change service discovery flow to use account instead of server
URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/924
Description: The rationale for this is that blocking is an account-level feature. It may not be offered for all accounts, even if the server supports it.
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jonas’
I expect some controversy on this one
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Zash
Muh backwards compat!
15:04:44
Ge0rG
very controversial indeed
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Ge0rG
on-list
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jonas’
I default to +1
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Kev
For hysterical raisins, you often disco your server's JID to find out what's supported for your current session.
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jonas’
I’d like to gradually change that
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Kev
I don't think doing so prohibits returning the right results to the right entity, so I think that the motivation listed here doesn't lead to this patch as a result (although other motivations may).
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Zash
I like the general pattern of disco#info going to the same as the rest of the protocol
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jonas’
Zash, to the same what?
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Zash
JID.
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jonas’
ah, that
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daniel
+0
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Zash
Packet loss somewhere between brain and keyboard.
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jonas’
Kev, so in my puristic view, disco#info for an entity should look the same no matter who’s asking (* conditions apply).
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daniel
I'm not very on board with changing draft xeps
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Zash
I think I'll have to on-list and stew for a while.
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Kev
Maybe, but the first two XEPs that I picked at 'random' to check (191, 258) show the same behaviour of advertising on the server JID.
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daniel
Even though what the PR is doing would be 'more correct'
15:08:08
Kev
So I think changing one XEP in isolation is probably not the right thing to do here without wider thought.
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jonas’
I guess we’ll have to take this to the list for the wider community then
15:08:35
Zash
Sounds good.
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jonas’
fine by me
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jonas’
So I’d like to cancel the vote so that we’re not bound to the 2w timeline on this starting today after community feedback.
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daniel
Ok
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jonas’
alright, moving on
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jonas’
4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0357: Push Notifications
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html
Abstract: This specification defines a way for an XMPP servers to deliver information for use in push notifications to mobile and other devices.
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daniel
-1
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jonas’
daniel, rationale?
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jonas’
-1, I think the arguments brought up against this using PubSub syntax and that making it unnecessarily hard to understand are sound and this needs work.
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daniel
Feedback came up that hasn't been addressed
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jonas’
so back to experimental with this one
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jonas’
is anyone taking ownership of it?
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jonas’
Kev, ?
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jonas’
do you have resources to shepherd it?
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jonas’
(and/or can you get lance to do it)
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daniel
As I said on list it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just start from scratch
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Kev
I haven't even replied to the LC myself.
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jonas’
Kev, you’re an author though, which is why I’m asking you :)
15:11:31
Kev
Lance wanted to retire from this one.
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jonas’
alright
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daniel
Not that I'm volunteering to do so. But that makes the question of ownership unnecessary
15:12:09
Kev
Yeah, I meant as an illustration of time for this. Lance wanted another author listed so he could avoid doing things. I thought I'd be spending time working with it, so volunteered, but have ended up not touching it since.
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jonas’
OK
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jonas’
it would be good to get someone actually involved with implementations around this to do the work
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Kev
Indeed.
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jonas’
that’d be mobile client devs and server devs primarily
15:13:02
Zash
I have conveniently not touched this for years, so not it! /me hides
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Kev
Both of which I am, obviously, but am very short of cycles at the moment.
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jonas’
getting some input from the Xabber folks would also be good
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daniel
Well the tigase people introduced something at summit. We should probably encourage them to actually write that down in xep Form
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jonas’
daniel, you’re probably more familiar with that than I am, and also conveniently a mobile dev; can you contact them and figure out if they will do that, and if they won’t, post a call to standards@ for someone to do it?
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daniel
Yes
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jonas’
thank you
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jonas’
alright, moving on
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jonas’
5) Pending Votes
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jonas’
Dave cleared his off the list in the last mail
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jonas’
He made valid points about PR#913 and I’m going to fix that up and re-propose it.
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jonas’
other than that, we’re good to go I think.
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jonas’
6) Date of Next
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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daniel
Wfm
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Zash
works for me
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jonas’
7) AOB
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jonas’
none from me
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daniel
I remembered what I wanted to do last week.
Ask editor to please LC
XEP-0320: Use of DTLS-SRTP in Jingle Sessions
XEP-0339: Source-Specific Media Attributes in Jingle
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jonas’
who’ll shepherd that?
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jonas’
or do you have contact to Philipp Hancke?
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daniel
He has been somewhat active on the list lately
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daniel
But I think they will be rather uncontroversial and just go through
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daniel
It's just meta data annotations
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jonas’
by default, only the approving body or the author can request an LC; in the absence of the author, we need a shepherd. and we’re past the voting stage for today
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jonas’
not sure what to make of that
15:20:43
daniel
OK. Put it on the agenda for next week
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daniel
I thought Editor could call them
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jonas’
daniel, if you can get Philipp to ask the Editor to LC them before that, we can start it early.
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jonas’
from my reading of '1 not
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oh wait
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jonas’
> The Approving Body must agree that the XEP is ready to be considered for advancement.
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jonas’
nevermind me, so, we need to vote on this
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jonas’
putting it up for next week
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jonas’
Thanks
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jonas’
anything else?
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assuming not
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8) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
Thanks everyone
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Zash
Thanks all
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daniel
Thanks
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