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jonas’
15:00:00
1) Roll Call
Ge0rG
is still hanging in a conference call
15:00:12
daniel
15:00:13
Hi
jonas’
15:00:36
pinging Zash
Zash
15:00:42
Here
jonas’
15:00:43
also, hi everyone :)
jonas’
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2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’
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any additions?
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Zash
15:01:50
I can't think of anything.
jonas’
15:02:10
sorry, got distracted reading daves email
jonas’
15:02:15
3) Editor’s Report
jonas’
15:02:21
- Expired calls: None
- Calls in progress:
- LC for XEP-0357 (Push notifications) ends at 2020-04-15
- New ProtoXEP: Room Activity Indicators
jonas’
15:02:24
by now, the LC has expired
jonas’
15:02:28
4) Items for Voting
jonas’
15:02:33
4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Room Activity Indicators
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/room-activity-indicators.html
Abstract: This specification describes a lightweight mechanism for activity
notifications in MUCs.
Ge0rG
15:02:47
And I forgot to read and comment on the Push thread.
daniel
15:02:59
On list
jonas’
15:03:04
on list
Ge0rG
15:03:08
on list
Zash
15:03:09
on List
jonas’
15:03:12
alright
jonas’
15:03:28
4b) PR#924
Title: Change service discovery flow to use account instead of server
URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/924
Description: The rationale for this is that blocking is an account-level feature. It may not be offered for all accounts, even if the server supports it.
jonas’
15:03:32
I expect some controversy on this one
Zash
15:03:56
Muh backwards compat!
Ge0rG
15:04:44
very controversial indeed
Ge0rG
15:04:53
on-list
jonas’
15:04:59
I default to +1
Kev
15:05:34
For hysterical raisins, you often disco your server's JID to find out what's supported for your current session.
jonas’
15:05:47
I’d like to gradually change that
Kev
15:06:12
I don't think doing so prohibits returning the right results to the right entity, so I think that the motivation listed here doesn't lead to this patch as a result (although other motivations may).
Zash
15:06:14
I like the general pattern of disco#info going to the same as the rest of the protocol
jonas’
15:06:37
Zash, to the same what?
Zash
15:06:56
JID.
jonas’
15:07:01
ah, that
daniel
15:07:08
+0
Zash
15:07:10
Packet loss somewhere between brain and keyboard.
jonas’
15:07:11
Kev, so in my puristic view, disco#info for an entity should look the same no matter who’s asking (* conditions apply).
daniel
15:07:28
I'm not very on board with changing draft xeps
Zash
15:07:34
I think I'll have to on-list and stew for a while.
Kev
15:07:47
Maybe, but the first two XEPs that I picked at 'random' to check (191, 258) show the same behaviour of advertising on the server JID.
daniel
15:07:50
Even though what the PR is doing would be 'more correct'
Kev
15:08:08
So I think changing one XEP in isolation is probably not the right thing to do here without wider thought.
jonas’
15:08:29
I guess we’ll have to take this to the list for the wider community then
Zash
15:08:35
Sounds good.
jonas’
15:08:39
fine by me
jonas’
15:09:09
So I’d like to cancel the vote so that we’re not bound to the 2w timeline on this starting today after community feedback.
daniel
15:09:19
Ok
jonas’
15:09:33
alright, moving on
jonas’
15:09:41
4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0357: Push Notifications
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html
Abstract: This specification defines a way for an XMPP servers to deliver information for use in push notifications to mobile and other devices.
daniel
15:09:51
-1
jonas’
15:09:56
daniel, rationale?
jonas’
15:10:11
-1, I think the arguments brought up against this using PubSub syntax and that making it unnecessarily hard to understand are sound and this needs work.
daniel
15:10:23
Feedback came up that hasn't been addressed
jonas’
15:10:38
so back to experimental with this one
jonas’
15:10:41
is anyone taking ownership of it?
jonas’
15:10:49
Kev, ?
jonas’
15:10:52
do you have resources to shepherd it?
jonas’
15:11:03
(and/or can you get lance to do it)
daniel
15:11:10
As I said on list it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just start from scratch
Kev
15:11:14
I haven't even replied to the LC myself.
jonas’
15:11:28
Kev, you’re an author though, which is why I’m asking you :)
Kev
15:11:31
Lance wanted to retire from this one.
jonas’
15:11:36
alright
daniel
15:11:46
Not that I'm volunteering to do so. But that makes the question of ownership unnecessary
Kev
15:12:09
Yeah, I meant as an illustration of time for this. Lance wanted another author listed so he could avoid doing things. I thought I'd be spending time working with it, so volunteered, but have ended up not touching it since.
jonas’
15:12:24
OK
jonas’
15:12:33
it would be good to get someone actually involved with implementations around this to do the work
Kev
15:12:42
Indeed.
jonas’
15:12:43
that’d be mobile client devs and server devs primarily
Zash
15:13:02
I have conveniently not touched this for years, so not it! /me hides
Kev
15:13:05
Both of which I am, obviously, but am very short of cycles at the moment.
jonas’
15:13:16
getting some input from the Xabber folks would also be good
daniel
15:13:22
Well the tigase people introduced something at summit. We should probably encourage them to actually write that down in xep Form
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jonas’
15:13:55
daniel, you’re probably more familiar with that than I am, and also conveniently a mobile dev; can you contact them and figure out if they will do that, and if they won’t, post a call to standards@ for someone to do it?
daniel
15:14:11
Yes
jonas’
15:14:13
thank you
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15:15:26
alright, moving on
jonas’
15:15:33
5) Pending Votes
jonas’
15:15:38
Dave cleared his off the list in the last mail
jonas’
15:16:09
He made valid points about PR#913 and I’m going to fix that up and re-propose it.
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jonas’
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other than that, we’re good to go I think.
jonas’
15:16:41
6) Date of Next
jonas’
15:17:12
+1w wfm
daniel
15:17:16
Wfm
Zash
15:17:23
works for me
jonas’
15:18:02
7) AOB
jonas’
15:18:07
none from me
daniel
15:18:09
I remembered what I wanted to do last week.
Ask editor to please LC
XEP-0320: Use of DTLS-SRTP in Jingle Sessions
XEP-0339: Source-Specific Media Attributes in Jingle
jonas’
15:18:44
who’ll shepherd that?
jonas’
15:18:58
or do you have contact to Philipp Hancke?
daniel
15:19:17
He has been somewhat active on the list lately
daniel
15:19:39
But I think they will be rather uncontroversial and just go through
daniel
15:19:50
It's just meta data annotations
jonas’
15:20:01
by default, only the approving body or the author can request an LC; in the absence of the author, we need a shepherd. and we’re past the voting stage for today
jonas’
15:20:23
not sure what to make of that
daniel
15:20:43
OK. Put it on the agenda for next week
daniel
15:20:57
I thought Editor could call them
jonas’
15:21:00
daniel, if you can get Philipp to ask the Editor to LC them before that, we can start it early.
jonas’
15:21:04
from my reading of '1 not
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oh wait
jonas’
15:21:21
> The Approving Body must agree that the XEP is ready to be considered for advancement.
jonas’
15:21:30
nevermind me, so, we need to vote on this
jonas’
15:21:32
putting it up for next week
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jonas’
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Thanks
jonas’
15:21:54
anything else?
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jonas’
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assuming not
jonas’
15:23:34
8) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’
15:23:37
Thanks everyone
Zash
15:23:46
Thanks all
daniel
15:24:18
Thanks
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