XMPP Council - 2020-04-15


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  282. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  283. Ge0rG is still hanging in a conference call
  284. daniel Hi
  285. jonas’ pinging Zash
  286. Zash Here
  287. jonas’ also, hi everyone :)
  288. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  289. jonas’ any additions?
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  291. Zash I can't think of anything.
  292. jonas’ sorry, got distracted reading daves email
  293. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Report
  294. jonas’ - Expired calls: None - Calls in progress: - LC for XEP-0357 (Push notifications) ends at 2020-04-15 - New ProtoXEP: Room Activity Indicators
  295. jonas’ by now, the LC has expired
  296. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  297. jonas’ 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Room Activity Indicators URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/room-activity-indicators.html Abstract: This specification describes a lightweight mechanism for activity notifications in MUCs.
  298. Ge0rG And I forgot to read and comment on the Push thread.
  299. daniel On list
  300. jonas’ on list
  301. Ge0rG on list
  302. Zash on List
  303. jonas’ alright
  304. jonas’ 4b) PR#924 Title: Change service discovery flow to use account instead of server URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/924 Description: The rationale for this is that blocking is an account-level feature. It may not be offered for all accounts, even if the server supports it.
  305. jonas’ I expect some controversy on this one
  306. Zash Muh backwards compat!
  307. Ge0rG very controversial indeed
  308. Ge0rG on-list
  309. jonas’ I default to +1
  310. Kev For hysterical raisins, you often disco your server's JID to find out what's supported for your current session.
  311. jonas’ I’d like to gradually change that
  312. Kev I don't think doing so prohibits returning the right results to the right entity, so I think that the motivation listed here doesn't lead to this patch as a result (although other motivations may).
  313. Zash I like the general pattern of disco#info going to the same as the rest of the protocol
  314. jonas’ Zash, to the same what?
  315. Zash JID.
  316. jonas’ ah, that
  317. daniel +0
  318. Zash Packet loss somewhere between brain and keyboard.
  319. jonas’ Kev, so in my puristic view, disco#info for an entity should look the same no matter who’s asking (* conditions apply).
  320. daniel I'm not very on board with changing draft xeps
  321. Zash I think I'll have to on-list and stew for a while.
  322. Kev Maybe, but the first two XEPs that I picked at 'random' to check (191, 258) show the same behaviour of advertising on the server JID.
  323. daniel Even though what the PR is doing would be 'more correct'
  324. Kev So I think changing one XEP in isolation is probably not the right thing to do here without wider thought.
  325. jonas’ I guess we’ll have to take this to the list for the wider community then
  326. Zash Sounds good.
  327. jonas’ fine by me
  328. jonas’ So I’d like to cancel the vote so that we’re not bound to the 2w timeline on this starting today after community feedback.
  329. daniel Ok
  330. jonas’ alright, moving on
  331. jonas’ 4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0357: Push Notifications URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html Abstract: This specification defines a way for an XMPP servers to deliver information for use in push notifications to mobile and other devices.
  332. daniel -1
  333. jonas’ daniel, rationale?
  334. jonas’ -1, I think the arguments brought up against this using PubSub syntax and that making it unnecessarily hard to understand are sound and this needs work.
  335. daniel Feedback came up that hasn't been addressed
  336. jonas’ so back to experimental with this one
  337. jonas’ is anyone taking ownership of it?
  338. jonas’ Kev, ?
  339. jonas’ do you have resources to shepherd it?
  340. jonas’ (and/or can you get lance to do it)
  341. daniel As I said on list it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just start from scratch
  342. Kev I haven't even replied to the LC myself.
  343. jonas’ Kev, you’re an author though, which is why I’m asking you :)
  344. Kev Lance wanted to retire from this one.
  345. jonas’ alright
  346. daniel Not that I'm volunteering to do so. But that makes the question of ownership unnecessary
  347. Kev Yeah, I meant as an illustration of time for this. Lance wanted another author listed so he could avoid doing things. I thought I'd be spending time working with it, so volunteered, but have ended up not touching it since.
  348. jonas’ OK
  349. jonas’ it would be good to get someone actually involved with implementations around this to do the work
  350. Kev Indeed.
  351. jonas’ that’d be mobile client devs and server devs primarily
  352. Zash I have conveniently not touched this for years, so not it! /me hides
  353. Kev Both of which I am, obviously, but am very short of cycles at the moment.
  354. jonas’ getting some input from the Xabber folks would also be good
  355. daniel Well the tigase people introduced something at summit. We should probably encourage them to actually write that down in xep Form
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  357. jonas’ daniel, you’re probably more familiar with that than I am, and also conveniently a mobile dev; can you contact them and figure out if they will do that, and if they won’t, post a call to standards@ for someone to do it?
  358. daniel Yes
  359. jonas’ thank you
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  361. jonas’ alright, moving on
  362. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  363. jonas’ Dave cleared his off the list in the last mail
  364. jonas’ He made valid points about PR#913 and I’m going to fix that up and re-propose it.
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  366. jonas’ other than that, we’re good to go I think.
  367. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  368. jonas’ +1w wfm
  369. daniel Wfm
  370. Zash works for me
  371. jonas’ 7) AOB
  372. jonas’ none from me
  373. daniel I remembered what I wanted to do last week. Ask editor to please LC XEP-0320: Use of DTLS-SRTP in Jingle Sessions XEP-0339: Source-Specific Media Attributes in Jingle
  374. jonas’ who’ll shepherd that?
  375. jonas’ or do you have contact to Philipp Hancke?
  376. daniel He has been somewhat active on the list lately
  377. daniel But I think they will be rather uncontroversial and just go through
  378. daniel It's just meta data annotations
  379. jonas’ by default, only the approving body or the author can request an LC; in the absence of the author, we need a shepherd. and we’re past the voting stage for today
  380. jonas’ not sure what to make of that
  381. daniel OK. Put it on the agenda for next week
  382. daniel I thought Editor could call them
  383. jonas’ daniel, if you can get Philipp to ask the Editor to LC them before that, we can start it early.
  384. jonas’ from my reading of '1 not
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  387. jonas’ oh wait
  388. jonas’ > The Approving Body must agree that the XEP is ready to be considered for advancement.
  389. jonas’ nevermind me, so, we need to vote on this
  390. jonas’ putting it up for next week
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  392. jonas’ Thanks
  393. jonas’ anything else?
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  395. jonas’ assuming not
  396. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  397. jonas’ Thanks everyone
  398. Zash Thanks all
  399. daniel Thanks
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