XMPP Council - 2020-04-15


  1. daniel has left

  2. daniel has joined

  3. debacle has left

  4. daniel has left

  5. daniel has joined

  6. Wojtek has left

  7. stpeter has joined

  8. stpeter has left

  9. daniel has left

  10. daniel has joined

  11. stpeter has joined

  12. stpeter has left

  13. bear has left

  14. moparisthebest has joined

  15. bear has joined

  16. moparisthebest has left

  17. moparisthebest has joined

  18. bear has left

  19. undefined has left

  20. undefined has joined

  21. moparisthebest has left

  22. moparisthebest has joined

  23. bear has joined

  24. bear has left

  25. stpeter has joined

  26. stpeter has left

  27. vaulor has joined

  28. stpeter has joined

  29. stpeter has left

  30. SouL has left

  31. bear has joined

  32. moparisthebest has left

  33. bear has left

  34. moparisthebest has joined

  35. stpeter has joined

  36. stpeter has left

  37. moparisthebest has left

  38. SouL has joined

  39. Tobias has joined

  40. vaulor has left

  41. vaulor has joined

  42. bear has joined

  43. stpeter has joined

  44. stpeter has left

  45. paul has joined

  46. paul has left

  47. paul has joined

  48. bear has left

  49. stpeter has joined

  50. stpeter has left

  51. bear has joined

  52. stpeter has joined

  53. stpeter has left

  54. daniel has left

  55. daniel has joined

  56. bear has left

  57. stpeter has joined

  58. stpeter has left

  59. bear has joined

  60. undefined has left

  61. undefined has joined

  62. stpeter has joined

  63. stpeter has left

  64. bear has left

  65. debacle has joined

  66. debacle has left

  67. debacle has joined

  68. debacle has left

  69. debacle has joined

  70. larma has left

  71. debacle has left

  72. debacle has joined

  73. debacle has left

  74. larma has joined

  75. debacle has joined

  76. debacle has left

  77. debacle has joined

  78. debacle has left

  79. debacle has joined

  80. stpeter has joined

  81. stpeter has left

  82. debacle has left

  83. debacle has joined

  84. daniel has left

  85. daniel has joined

  86. kusoneko has left

  87. kusoneko has joined

  88. debacle has left

  89. kusoneko has left

  90. kusoneko has joined

  91. debacle has joined

  92. larma has left

  93. larma has joined

  94. debacle has left

  95. debacle has joined

  96. debacle has left

  97. debacle has joined

  98. debacle has left

  99. debacle has joined

  100. debacle has left

  101. debacle has joined

  102. debacle has left

  103. bear has joined

  104. debacle has joined

  105. debacle has left

  106. debacle has joined

  107. debacle has left

  108. debacle has joined

  109. debacle has left

  110. debacle has joined

  111. debacle has left

  112. debacle has joined

  113. debacle has left

  114. debacle has joined

  115. stpeter has joined

  116. stpeter has left

  117. bear has left

  118. debacle has left

  119. debacle has joined

  120. undefined has left

  121. undefined has joined

  122. debacle has left

  123. debacle has joined

  124. debacle has left

  125. daniel has left

  126. daniel has joined

  127. debacle has joined

  128. robertooo has joined

  129. debacle has left

  130. debacle has joined

  131. debacle has left

  132. debacle has joined

  133. debacle has left

  134. debacle has joined

  135. debacle has left

  136. debacle has joined

  137. debacle has left

  138. debacle has joined

  139. debacle has left

  140. debacle has joined

  141. debacle has left

  142. debacle has joined

  143. debacle has left

  144. debacle has joined

  145. debacle has left

  146. debacle has joined

  147. debacle has left

  148. debacle has joined

  149. debacle has left

  150. debacle has joined

  151. stpeter has joined

  152. stpeter has left

  153. bear has joined

  154. undefined has left

  155. undefined has joined

  156. daniel has left

  157. daniel has joined

  158. daniel has left

  159. daniel has joined

  160. bear has left

  161. daniel has left

  162. daniel has joined

  163. daniel has left

  164. daniel has joined

  165. daniel has left

  166. daniel has joined

  167. stpeter has joined

  168. stpeter has left

  169. daniel has left

  170. daniel has joined

  171. sonny has joined

  172. sonny has left

  173. sonny has joined

  174. sonny has left

  175. sonny has joined

  176. daniel has left

  177. daniel has joined

  178. daniel has left

  179. daniel has joined

  180. daniel has left

  181. daniel has joined

  182. daniel has left

  183. daniel has joined

  184. daniel has left

  185. daniel has joined

  186. daniel has left

  187. daniel has joined

  188. bear has joined

  189. vaulor has left

  190. vaulor has joined

  191. daniel has left

  192. daniel has joined

  193. stpeter has joined

  194. stpeter has left

  195. debacle has left

  196. debacle has joined

  197. debacle has left

  198. debacle has joined

  199. bear has left

  200. debacle has left

  201. debacle has joined

  202. debacle has left

  203. debacle has joined

  204. debacle has left

  205. debacle has joined

  206. debacle has left

  207. debacle has joined

  208. debacle has left

  209. debacle has joined

  210. debacle has left

  211. daniel has left

  212. daniel has joined

  213. debacle has joined

  214. daniel has left

  215. daniel has joined

  216. daniel has left

  217. daniel has joined

  218. daniel has left

  219. daniel has joined

  220. daniel has left

  221. daniel has joined

  222. stpeter has joined

  223. stpeter has left

  224. daniel has left

  225. daniel has joined

  226. bear has joined

  227. debacle has left

  228. bear has left

  229. stpeter has joined

  230. stpeter has left

  231. stpeter has joined

  232. stpeter has left

  233. bear has joined

  234. kusoneko has left

  235. kusoneko has joined

  236. flow has left

  237. flow has joined

  238. kusoneko has left

  239. flow has left

  240. kusoneko has joined

  241. flow has joined

  242. bear has left

  243. debacle has joined

  244. debacle has left

  245. debacle has joined

  246. debacle has left

  247. debacle has joined

  248. stpeter has joined

  249. stpeter has left

  250. bear has joined

  251. stpeter has joined

  252. stpeter has left

  253. bear has left

  254. daniel has left

  255. daniel has joined

  256. undefined has left

  257. undefined has joined

  258. daniel has left

  259. daniel has joined

  260. daniel has left

  261. daniel has joined

  262. daniel has left

  263. daniel has joined

  264. stpeter has joined

  265. stpeter has left

  266. daniel has left

  267. daniel has joined

  268. vaulor has left

  269. vaulor has joined

  270. moparisthebest has joined

  271. bear has joined

  272. ossguy has joined

  273. undefined has left

  274. stpeter has joined

  275. stpeter has left

  276. undefined has joined

  277. bear has left

  278. daniel has left

  279. daniel has joined

  280. daniel has left

  281. daniel has joined

  282. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  283. Ge0rG is still hanging in a conference call

  284. daniel

    Hi

  285. jonas’

    pinging Zash

  286. Zash

    Here

  287. jonas’

    also, hi everyone :)

  288. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  289. jonas’

    any additions?

  290. moparisthebest has left

  291. Zash

    I can't think of anything.

  292. jonas’

    sorry, got distracted reading daves email

  293. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Report

  294. jonas’

    - Expired calls: None - Calls in progress: - LC for XEP-0357 (Push notifications) ends at 2020-04-15 - New ProtoXEP: Room Activity Indicators

  295. jonas’

    by now, the LC has expired

  296. jonas’

    4) Items for Voting

  297. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Room Activity Indicators URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/room-activity-indicators.html Abstract: This specification describes a lightweight mechanism for activity notifications in MUCs.

  298. Ge0rG

    And I forgot to read and comment on the Push thread.

  299. daniel

    On list

  300. jonas’

    on list

  301. Ge0rG

    on list

  302. Zash

    on List

  303. jonas’

    alright

  304. jonas’

    4b) PR#924 Title: Change service discovery flow to use account instead of server URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/924 Description: The rationale for this is that blocking is an account-level feature. It may not be offered for all accounts, even if the server supports it.

  305. jonas’

    I expect some controversy on this one

  306. Zash

    Muh backwards compat!

  307. Ge0rG

    very controversial indeed

  308. Ge0rG

    on-list

  309. jonas’

    I default to +1

  310. Kev

    For hysterical raisins, you often disco your server's JID to find out what's supported for your current session.

  311. jonas’

    I’d like to gradually change that

  312. Kev

    I don't think doing so prohibits returning the right results to the right entity, so I think that the motivation listed here doesn't lead to this patch as a result (although other motivations may).

  313. Zash

    I like the general pattern of disco#info going to the same as the rest of the protocol

  314. jonas’

    Zash, to the same what?

  315. Zash

    JID.

  316. jonas’

    ah, that

  317. daniel

    +0

  318. Zash

    Packet loss somewhere between brain and keyboard.

  319. jonas’

    Kev, so in my puristic view, disco#info for an entity should look the same no matter who’s asking (* conditions apply).

  320. daniel

    I'm not very on board with changing draft xeps

  321. Zash

    I think I'll have to on-list and stew for a while.

  322. Kev

    Maybe, but the first two XEPs that I picked at 'random' to check (191, 258) show the same behaviour of advertising on the server JID.

  323. daniel

    Even though what the PR is doing would be 'more correct'

  324. Kev

    So I think changing one XEP in isolation is probably not the right thing to do here without wider thought.

  325. jonas’

    I guess we’ll have to take this to the list for the wider community then

  326. Zash

    Sounds good.

  327. jonas’

    fine by me

  328. jonas’

    So I’d like to cancel the vote so that we’re not bound to the 2w timeline on this starting today after community feedback.

  329. daniel

    Ok

  330. jonas’

    alright, moving on

  331. jonas’

    4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0357: Push Notifications URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html Abstract: This specification defines a way for an XMPP servers to deliver information for use in push notifications to mobile and other devices.

  332. daniel

    -1

  333. jonas’

    daniel, rationale?

  334. jonas’

    -1, I think the arguments brought up against this using PubSub syntax and that making it unnecessarily hard to understand are sound and this needs work.

  335. daniel

    Feedback came up that hasn't been addressed

  336. jonas’

    so back to experimental with this one

  337. jonas’

    is anyone taking ownership of it?

  338. jonas’

    Kev, ?

  339. jonas’

    do you have resources to shepherd it?

  340. jonas’

    (and/or can you get lance to do it)

  341. daniel

    As I said on list it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just start from scratch

  342. Kev

    I haven't even replied to the LC myself.

  343. jonas’

    Kev, you’re an author though, which is why I’m asking you :)

  344. Kev

    Lance wanted to retire from this one.

  345. jonas’

    alright

  346. daniel

    Not that I'm volunteering to do so. But that makes the question of ownership unnecessary

  347. Kev

    Yeah, I meant as an illustration of time for this. Lance wanted another author listed so he could avoid doing things. I thought I'd be spending time working with it, so volunteered, but have ended up not touching it since.

  348. jonas’

    OK

  349. jonas’

    it would be good to get someone actually involved with implementations around this to do the work

  350. Kev

    Indeed.

  351. jonas’

    that’d be mobile client devs and server devs primarily

  352. Zash

    I have conveniently not touched this for years, so not it! /me hides

  353. Kev

    Both of which I am, obviously, but am very short of cycles at the moment.

  354. jonas’

    getting some input from the Xabber folks would also be good

  355. daniel

    Well the tigase people introduced something at summit. We should probably encourage them to actually write that down in xep Form

  356. moparisthebest has joined

  357. jonas’

    daniel, you’re probably more familiar with that than I am, and also conveniently a mobile dev; can you contact them and figure out if they will do that, and if they won’t, post a call to standards@ for someone to do it?

  358. daniel

    Yes

  359. jonas’

    thank you

  360. debacle has left

  361. jonas’

    alright, moving on

  362. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  363. jonas’

    Dave cleared his off the list in the last mail

  364. jonas’

    He made valid points about PR#913 and I’m going to fix that up and re-propose it.

  365. moparisthebest has left

  366. jonas’

    other than that, we’re good to go I think.

  367. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  368. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  369. daniel

    Wfm

  370. Zash

    works for me

  371. jonas’

    7) AOB

  372. jonas’

    none from me

  373. daniel

    I remembered what I wanted to do last week. Ask editor to please LC XEP-0320: Use of DTLS-SRTP in Jingle Sessions XEP-0339: Source-Specific Media Attributes in Jingle

  374. jonas’

    who’ll shepherd that?

  375. jonas’

    or do you have contact to Philipp Hancke?

  376. daniel

    He has been somewhat active on the list lately

  377. daniel

    But I think they will be rather uncontroversial and just go through

  378. daniel

    It's just meta data annotations

  379. jonas’

    by default, only the approving body or the author can request an LC; in the absence of the author, we need a shepherd. and we’re past the voting stage for today

  380. jonas’

    not sure what to make of that

  381. daniel

    OK. Put it on the agenda for next week

  382. daniel

    I thought Editor could call them

  383. jonas’

    daniel, if you can get Philipp to ask the Editor to LC them before that, we can start it early.

  384. jonas’

    from my reading of '1 not

  385. kusoneko has left

  386. kusoneko has joined

  387. jonas’

    oh wait

  388. jonas’

    > The Approving Body must agree that the XEP is ready to be considered for advancement.

  389. jonas’

    nevermind me, so, we need to vote on this

  390. jonas’

    putting it up for next week

  391. kusoneko has left

  392. jonas’

    Thanks

  393. jonas’

    anything else?

  394. kusoneko has joined

  395. jonas’

    assuming not

  396. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  397. jonas’

    Thanks everyone

  398. Zash

    Thanks all

  399. daniel

    Thanks

  400. bear has joined

  401. Holger has left

  402. bear has left

  403. Wojtek has joined

  404. kusoneko has left

  405. kusoneko has joined

  406. kusoneko has left

  407. kusoneko has joined

  408. Holger has joined

  409. daniel has left

  410. daniel has joined

  411. bear has joined

  412. daniel has left

  413. daniel has joined

  414. daniel has left

  415. daniel has joined

  416. daniel has left

  417. daniel has joined

  418. moparisthebest has joined

  419. daniel has left

  420. daniel has joined

  421. bear has left

  422. bear has joined

  423. daniel has left

  424. daniel has joined

  425. daniel has left

  426. daniel has joined

  427. bear has left

  428. ossguy has left

  429. daniel has left

  430. daniel has joined

  431. moparisthebest has left

  432. daniel has left

  433. daniel has joined

  434. daniel has left

  435. daniel has joined

  436. daniel has left

  437. daniel has joined

  438. daniel has left

  439. daniel has joined

  440. daniel has left

  441. daniel has joined

  442. daniel has left

  443. daniel has joined

  444. kusoneko has left

  445. kusoneko has joined

  446. kusoneko has left

  447. kusoneko has joined

  448. bear has joined

  449. bear has left

  450. kusoneko has left

  451. kusoneko has joined

  452. kusoneko has left

  453. kusoneko has joined

  454. daniel has left

  455. daniel has joined

  456. debacle has joined

  457. debacle has left

  458. debacle has joined

  459. debacle has left

  460. debacle has joined

  461. kusoneko has left

  462. kusoneko has joined

  463. kusoneko has left

  464. kusoneko has joined

  465. debacle has left

  466. debacle has joined

  467. debacle has left

  468. debacle has joined

  469. debacle has left

  470. debacle has joined

  471. debacle has left

  472. debacle has joined

  473. daniel has left

  474. daniel has joined

  475. debacle has left

  476. debacle has joined

  477. debacle has left

  478. debacle has joined

  479. bear has joined

  480. debacle has left

  481. debacle has joined

  482. debacle has left

  483. debacle has joined

  484. raspbeguy has left

  485. daniel has left

  486. daniel has joined

  487. debacle has left

  488. debacle has joined

  489. debacle has left

  490. debacle has joined

  491. debacle has left

  492. raspbeguy has joined

  493. debacle has joined

  494. daniel has left

  495. daniel has joined

  496. bear has left

  497. debacle has left

  498. daniel has left

  499. daniel has joined

  500. daniel has left

  501. daniel has joined

  502. debacle has joined

  503. daniel has left

  504. daniel has joined

  505. daniel has left

  506. daniel has joined

  507. daniel has left

  508. daniel has joined

  509. debacle has left

  510. daniel has left

  511. daniel has joined

  512. debacle has joined

  513. daniel has left

  514. daniel has joined

  515. daniel has left

  516. daniel has joined

  517. debacle has left

  518. debacle has joined

  519. debacle has left

  520. debacle has joined

  521. debacle has left

  522. debacle has joined

  523. debacle has left

  524. debacle has joined

  525. daniel has left

  526. daniel has joined

  527. debacle has left

  528. debacle has joined

  529. debacle has left

  530. debacle has joined

  531. daniel has left

  532. daniel has joined

  533. debacle has left

  534. debacle has joined

  535. daniel has left

  536. daniel has joined

  537. debacle has left

  538. debacle has joined

  539. debacle has left

  540. daniel has left

  541. daniel has joined

  542. debacle has joined

  543. debacle has left

  544. debacle has joined

  545. daniel has left

  546. daniel has joined

  547. debacle has left

  548. debacle has joined

  549. bear has joined

  550. debacle has left

  551. debacle has joined

  552. daniel has left

  553. daniel has joined

  554. debacle has left

  555. debacle has joined

  556. debacle has left

  557. debacle has joined

  558. debacle has left

  559. debacle has joined

  560. debacle has left

  561. debacle has joined

  562. bear has left

  563. debacle has left

  564. debacle has joined

  565. debacle has left

  566. debacle has joined

  567. debacle has left

  568. debacle has joined

  569. kusoneko has left

  570. kusoneko has joined

  571. kusoneko has left

  572. kusoneko has joined

  573. debacle has left

  574. debacle has joined

  575. kusoneko has left

  576. kusoneko has joined

  577. debacle has left

  578. debacle has joined

  579. debacle has left

  580. debacle has joined

  581. kusoneko has left

  582. kusoneko has joined

  583. debacle has left

  584. debacle has joined

  585. debacle has left

  586. debacle has joined

  587. Tobias has left

  588. debacle has left

  589. debacle has joined

  590. daniel has left

  591. daniel has joined

  592. debacle has left

  593. debacle has joined

  594. debacle has left

  595. debacle has joined

  596. daniel has left

  597. daniel has joined

  598. daniel has left

  599. daniel has joined

  600. debacle has left

  601. debacle has joined

  602. debacle has left

  603. daniel has left

  604. daniel has joined

  605. debacle has joined

  606. daniel has left

  607. debacle has left

  608. daniel has joined

  609. debacle has joined

  610. bear has joined

  611. debacle has left

  612. debacle has joined

  613. debacle has left

  614. debacle has joined

  615. debacle has left

  616. daniel has left

  617. daniel has joined

  618. debacle has joined

  619. daniel has left

  620. daniel has joined

  621. debacle has left

  622. debacle has joined

  623. debacle has left

  624. debacle has joined

  625. kusoneko has left

  626. kusoneko has joined

  627. debacle has left

  628. debacle has joined

  629. bear has left

  630. daniel has left

  631. daniel has joined

  632. daniel has left

  633. daniel has joined

  634. debacle has left

  635. debacle has joined

  636. daniel has left

  637. daniel has joined

  638. debacle has left

  639. daniel has left

  640. daniel has joined

  641. debacle has joined

  642. daniel has left

  643. daniel has joined

  644. debacle has left

  645. debacle has joined

  646. daniel has left

  647. daniel has joined

  648. debacle has left

  649. debacle has joined

  650. daniel has left

  651. daniel has joined

  652. robertooo has left

  653. robertooo has joined

  654. undefined has left

  655. debacle has left

  656. undefined has joined

  657. daniel has left

  658. daniel has joined

  659. debacle has joined

  660. debacle has left

  661. debacle has joined

  662. debacle has left

  663. debacle has joined

  664. debacle has left

  665. debacle has joined

  666. debacle has left

  667. debacle has joined

  668. debacle has left

  669. debacle has joined

  670. debacle has left

  671. debacle has joined

  672. debacle has left

  673. debacle has joined

  674. debacle has left

  675. debacle has joined

  676. debacle has left

  677. debacle has joined

  678. bear has joined

  679. debacle has left

  680. debacle has joined

  681. debacle has left

  682. debacle has joined

  683. debacle has left

  684. debacle has joined

  685. debacle has left

  686. debacle has joined

  687. robertooo has left

  688. debacle has left

  689. debacle has joined

  690. bear has left

  691. debacle has left

  692. debacle has joined

  693. debacle has left

  694. debacle has joined

  695. debacle has left

  696. debacle has joined

  697. debacle has left

  698. debacle has joined

  699. debacle has left

  700. debacle has joined

  701. debacle has left

  702. debacle has joined

  703. paul has left

  704. debacle has left

  705. debacle has joined

  706. debacle has left

  707. debacle has joined

  708. debacle has left

  709. debacle has joined

  710. debacle has left

  711. debacle has joined

  712. debacle has left

  713. debacle has joined

  714. bear has joined

  715. debacle has left

  716. debacle has joined

  717. debacle has left

  718. debacle has joined

  719. debacle has left

  720. debacle has joined

  721. daniel has left

  722. SouL has left

  723. debacle has left

  724. daniel has joined

  725. debacle has joined

  726. vaulor has left

  727. debacle has left

  728. debacle has joined

  729. debacle has left

  730. debacle has joined

  731. debacle has left

  732. moparisthebest has joined

  733. debacle has joined

  734. moparisthebest has left

  735. debacle has left

  736. debacle has joined