XMPP Council - 2020-05-20

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  82. jonas’ yos
  83. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  84. Zash Good morning
  85. Ge0rG Good morning everyone
  86. dwd Good afternoon.
  87. daniel has joined
  88. daniel hi
  89. jonas’ full house, nice!
  90. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  91. jonas’ anything I misksed?
  92. jonas’ anything I missed?
  93. Ge0rG LGTM
  94. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update
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  96. jonas’ - Calls in progress: - LC for XEP-0393 (ends at 2020-05-26) - Expired/Expiring calls: - LC for XEP-0320 (ends today!) - LC for XEP-0339 (ends today!)
  97. jonas’ %s/ends today/ended yesterday/g
  98. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  99. jonas’ 4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0339 Title: Source-Specific Media Attributes in Jingle URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0339.html Abstract: This specification provides an XML mapping for translating the RFC 5766 Source-Specific Media Attributes from SDP to Jingle
  100. jonas’ the LC expired
  101. daniel +1
  102. jonas’ with very sparse feedback
  103. jonas’ but the feedback was thoroughly positive, so +1
  104. daniel the feedback we had was positive
  105. daniel and it is a very niche topic
  106. jonas’ also, two independent implementations would make this ripe even for final
  107. dwd +1 from me to for much the same reason.
  108. Zash +1
  109. jonas’ Ge0rG, ?
  110. Ge0rG on-list
  111. Ge0rG sorry
  112. jonas’ alright
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  114. jonas’ 4b) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0320 Title: Use of DTLS-SRTP in Jingle Sessions URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0320.html Abstract: This specification defines how to use DTLS-SRTP (RFC 5763) in the Jingle application type for the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) as a way to negotiate media path key agreement for secure RTP in one-to-one media sessions.
  115. Ge0rG also on-list
  116. jonas’ similar amount and kind of feedback
  117. jonas’ again +1
  118. daniel +1 (few but positive feedback)
  119. dwd Same deal, +1.
  120. Ge0rG I've also missed both LCs :(
  121. Zash +1
  122. jonas’ Thanks
  123. jonas’ 5) Outstanding Votes
  124. jonas’ I didn’t update the SoD much since last week, but I think there are still some
  125. jonas’ on the channel binding spec
  126. Ge0rG So much red
  127. jonas’ we should probably discuss if me vetoing it is exaggerated
  128. Zash I'd be okay with it if the changes mentioned on the list were applied.
  129. dwd waves AOB flag.
  130. jonas’ dwd, in context of this?
  131. daniel jonas’, do you agree that 'florians proposal' would be better?
  132. daniel or good enough?
  133. jonas’ daniel, yes
  134. dwd jonas’, No, it just reminded me.
  135. jonas’ I think I said so on list, too
  136. daniel i think in that case it doesn’t really matter
  137. daniel because i think we all want the xep to change in that direction
  138. daniel and Sam should just change it. imho
  139. dwd daniel, We do (even though I've not veto'd).
  140. jonas’ does "we all" include Sam though?
  141. daniel and then jonas’ can un-veto
  142. jonas’ either way, let’s get this under the XSF umbrella and fix things there.
  143. jonas’ +1 on Channelbinding pseudomechanisms, in the hope that it’ll get fixed to not be pseudomechansims
  144. Zash +1, what jonas’ said
  145. jonas’ dwd, I can’t find your vote on-list, you said you were +1?
  146. dwd I believe I did say as much, yes.
  147. jonas’ thanks, Ge0rG ?
  148. dwd Although where I can't recall.
  149. jonas’ dwd, this shall do
  150. Ge0rG jonas’: is my non-vote blocking progress?
  151. jonas’ Ge0rG, no, it expires today
  152. jonas’ but I wanted to give you a chance to veto
  153. Ge0rG jonas’: I'm aware of that.
  154. dwd But for the record, +1 although with the understanding we'll fix it in Experimental.
  155. jonas’ if you don’t want to vote that’s fine and we can move on to AOB
  156. Zash I sent a vote on the FROM_TYPE thing to the list yesterday
  157. SamWhited Quickly injecting: I probably won't change the current draft. If you want to immediately deprecate/obsolete it that's fine, but I'd like it documented and would appreciate it if you'd still accept it. I will likely continue to use pseudomechanisms in my deployment because they're working just fine and so far I haven't had a single problem with them so having them documented somewhere would be nice.
  158. jonas’ Zash, saw taht
  159. jonas’ huh
  160. jonas’ I retract my +1
  161. SamWhited I may start a separate document since it seems clear that no one else likes pseudomechanisms, or I may not, I still haven't finished the other suggestion to see how well it works.
  162. dwd SamWhited, You don't own the current spec. So if your intent is to refuse updates I'll veto it now and save us the bother.
  163. jonas’ yeah
  164. jonas’ I don’t see a point with that
  165. daniel SamWhited, huh? what’s the issue with 'Florians' proposal?
  166. SamWhited dwd: fair enough. I would appreciate if people would accept it and immediately obsolete it, but I suppose there's no point in the XSF owning it either
  167. daniel SamWhited, huh? what’s the issue with 'Florians proposal'?
  168. jonas’ I’m back to -1.
  169. dwd SamWhited, The XSF isn't a Wiki. :-)
  170. jonas’ the rationale I’ve given on-list in https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-May/037388.html, also a clear statement of the author that they don’t want to change that document to fix things.
  171. SamWhited dwd: I thought we did something like the IETF does where we sometimes just document unrecommended or proprietary things that most stuff shouldn't implement but is good to have written down in case others want to be compatible with eg. a closed service liek HipChat?
  172. jonas’ SamWhited, we *do* have wiki.xmpp.org
  173. SamWhited daniel: I'm not sure, it may be fine. I need to go back and summarize the thread and decide.
  174. jonas’ Sam can repropose the document if he decides to change it. If and why and how can be discussed in a different venue, since we have an AOB pending.
  175. jonas’ 6) AOB
  176. jonas’ hands the mic to dwd
  177. dwd Yes! Some good news, Sam's password storage draft has been adopted as a Working Group draft.
  178. Zash Kool.
  179. jonas’ nice!
  180. daniel which one?
  181. dwd It was "individual", it's now a formal product of the IETF.
  182. SamWhited Now only 10 years or so before it can actually be published as an RFC :) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-whited-kitten-password-storage/
  183. dwd daniel, kitten
  184. SamWhited I think Robbie is going to put out a call for adoption for the channel binding one in kitten too, just waiting to hear back from him on that one.
  185. dwd Great.
  186. dwd So anyway, that was it. Really pleased that's happened, and hopefully we'll get some useful input from that.
  187. jonas’ Any other AOB?
  188. Ge0rG any news on that routing sprint?
  189. jonas’ right, I forgot to send out the planning mail
  190. jonas’ I shall do so tomorrow
  191. jonas’ the weekend was not as quiet as I hoped for
  192. Ge0rG they never are
  193. jonas’ true words
  194. jonas’ and with that
  195. Zash weekend starts now!
  196. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  197. jonas’ Zash, INDEED!
  198. jonas’ thanks everyone
  199. Zash Thanks yall
  200. dwd Thanks jonas’!
  201. Ge0rG jonas’: you forgot an important thing, #7
  202. dwd Ge0rG, We're never having another meeting now.
  203. Ge0rG dwd: that's good. No need to tell everybody that I might not make the next two meetings, then.
  204. jonas’ oh
  205. dwd You going anywhere nice?
  206. jonas’ well
  207. jonas’ 7) Date of Next
  208. jonas’ +1w wfm
  209. Ge0rG dwd: not to Denmark, unfortunately.
  210. Zash +1w wfm
  211. Ge0rG +3w wfm
  212. dwd +1w WFM.
  213. jonas’ Ge0rG, so you’re skipping two weeks? will you be able to vote on list?
  214. daniel +1w
  215. Ge0rG jonas’: I might or might not make the actual meetings, and I'll probably be able to vote on list
  216. jonas’ thanks
  217. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est For Real
  218. jonas’ thanks again
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