XMPP Council - 2020-07-08

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  60. Ge0rG

    I'm falling into a connectivity hole that will persist for the next half hour or so. Can't say yet, but I'll be late.

  61. jonas’


  62. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  63. Ge0rG

    oh, looks like the hole is postponed.

  64. Ge0rG .o/

  65. Ge0rG

    I might be cut off any time and not react any more. Sorry in advance.

  66. daniel


  67. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ok, will not block anything on you

  68. Zash


  69. jonas’

    Ge0rG, if you need to have a conversation blocked, please write a dot or something

  70. jonas’

    will give you a grace period then :>

  71. jonas’

    any word from Dave?

  72. Ge0rG

    jonas’: roger, thanks

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  74. jonas’

    assuming no, moving on

  75. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  76. jonas’

    I’d like to slip "Deprecate XEP-0048 and add superseded-by XEP-0402" onto the list, any objections?

  77. Zash


  78. jonas’


  79. Ge0rG

    please slip it

  80. jonas’

    4) Editor’s Update

  81. jonas’

    - Nothing major

  82. jonas’

    s/4/3/, too

  83. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  84. jonas’

    4a) Last Call XEP-0411: Bookmarks Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0411.html Abstract: This specification describes a method to migrate to PEP based bookmarks without loosing compatibility with client that still use Private XML.

  85. jonas’

    this is from our last-call-shortlist

  86. jonas’

    I think daniel proposed it with the words "Not keen on it, but if people want to"

  87. jonas’

    I think there are implementations already, so an LC seems like a good idea

  88. jonas’


  89. Zash


  90. Ge0rG


  91. daniel


  92. jonas’


  93. jonas’

    4b) Last Call XEP-0352: Client State Indication URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html Abstract: This document defines a way for the client to indicate its active/inactive state.

  94. jonas’

    also from our shortlist

  95. daniel


  96. Zash


  97. Ge0rG


  98. jonas’


  99. jonas’

    4c) Deprecate XEP-0048 and add superseded-by XEP-0402 URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html

  100. jonas’

    '48 is Bookmarks, '402 is Bookmarks 2 (This time it’s serious!) a.k.a. PEP Native Bookmarks

  101. jonas’

    Guus pointed out that it’s quite confusing to have '48 in Draft without a mention of '402 at all

  102. Zash


  103. jonas’

    (in addition there is confusion around the example in '223 which feels uncannily close to what '0048 and '0402 do, causing more confusion; but that’s a topic for a PR)

  104. Ge0rG

    I think I'm +1 on this, it was already foreshadowed by https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html#future

  105. Ge0rG

    and apparently we already voted 0402 into draft.

  106. jonas’

    I think we should get rid of '48-style private PEP usage where we can

  107. jonas’

    so I’m +1 on that

  108. Zash

    Mmmm. +1

  109. Zash

    When does superseeded-by normally take effect?

  110. daniel

    jonas’: huh?

  111. jonas’

    Zash, "taking effect"?

  112. daniel

    48 style private pep?

  113. jonas’

    daniel, with a single item for all stuff

  114. jonas’

    instead of multiple separate items

  115. daniel


  116. Zash

    Isn't 48 the non-pep one?

  117. jonas’

    (when there is a clearly defined "item" in the PEP usage, as for bookmarks)

  118. jonas’

    Zash, not anymore…

  119. Zash

    private xml storage?

  120. jonas’

    (which adds to the confusion)

  121. jonas’

    Zash, that was changed while it was in draft

  122. Zash

    such confuse

  123. daniel

    +1 on the depreciation

  124. Zash

    Oh, private xml storage is '49

  125. jonas’


  126. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  127. jonas’

    we have one set of votes expiring today on PR#963: XEP-0178: Clarify SASL-EXTERNAL specification when s2s auth fails

  128. jonas’

    I’m still confused about that change and the ML discussion is going on, so I’m continuing my veto based on that we first need list consensus before we act

  129. Zash

    That sounds agreeable

  130. Ge0rG

    phew, then I don't need to have a bad conscience for not resolving my on-list

  131. jonas’

    I will let the editors *not* close the PR

  132. jonas’

    this is more of a process hack to force cancel the vote.

  133. jonas’

    then we’ve also got pending votes by Georg and dwd on advancing '338

  134. jonas’

    Ge0rG, wanna cast now?

  135. jonas’

    (this will be the moment where he disappears into non-connectivity)

  136. jonas’

    (I see a typing notification…)

  137. Ge0rG

    jonas’: +1 on 338

  138. pep.

    Zash, private xml storage is '49, but bookmarks with private xml storage is an earlier version of '48

  139. jonas’

    Ge0rG, thanks

  140. jonas’

    6) AOB

  141. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  142. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  143. jonas’

    I’ll do my best to defend the timeslot against the customer currently controlling my work schedule :D

  144. Ge0rG

    I might be a bit late next week, but +1W WFM

  145. daniel

    H +1w wfm

  146. Zash

    +1w wfm

  147. daniel

    +1w wfm

  148. jonas’


  149. jonas’

    7) AOB

  150. jonas’

    7) AOB (This time it’s serious)

  151. Ge0rG

    So my copying of ✋ to the clipboard for use as a marker was completely pointless.

  152. jonas’

    I got none, since I can’t poke dwd about the video chat :)

  153. Zash

    I apparently couldn't post to the council list.

  154. jonas’

    Zash, oh? got a reply from mailman on thato ne?

  155. jonas’

    Zash, oh? got a reply from mailman on that one?

  156. Zash

    Yes. Held for moderation something something.

  157. pep.

    You're subscribed?

  158. jonas’

    I’ll talk to MattJ about that

  159. jonas’

    pep., members should be auto-subscribed

  160. jonas’

    (for certain definitions of "auto")

  161. Zash

    I suppose I could too, but I'm in vacation mode and my TODO has a max-size of 1 :)

  162. pep.


  163. jonas’


  164. jonas’

    ok, AO-AOB?

  165. jonas’

    assuming no

  166. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  167. jonas’

    Thanks everyone, thanks Tedd (and sorry for the use of message correction which looks odd in the logs :))

  168. Zash

    Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.

  169. Ge0rG

    Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.

  170. jonas’

    Thanks the mobile data network (I presume) in germany which let Ge0rG be reachable throughout this meeting

  171. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I was anticipating a call that would have interrupted my connectivity, despite being routed through a different SIM on this "multi-sim" phone

  172. jonas’

    ah, I see

  173. Zash

    jonas’: I did something.

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