XMPP Council - 2020-07-08

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  60. Ge0rG I'm falling into a connectivity hole that will persist for the next half hour or so. Can't say yet, but I'll be late.
  61. jonas’ gl
  62. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  63. Ge0rG oh, looks like the hole is postponed.
  64. Ge0rG .o/
  65. Ge0rG I might be cut off any time and not react any more. Sorry in advance.
  66. daniel Hi
  67. jonas’ Ge0rG, ok, will not block anything on you
  68. Zash Hey
  69. jonas’ Ge0rG, if you need to have a conversation blocked, please write a dot or something
  70. jonas’ will give you a grace period then :>
  71. jonas’ any word from Dave?
  72. Ge0rG jonas’: roger, thanks
  73. susmit88 has left
  74. jonas’ assuming no, moving on
  75. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  76. jonas’ I’d like to slip "Deprecate XEP-0048 and add superseded-by XEP-0402" onto the list, any objections?
  77. Zash No
  78. jonas’ excellent
  79. Ge0rG please slip it
  80. jonas’ 4) Editor’s Update
  81. jonas’ - Nothing major
  82. jonas’ s/4/3/, too
  83. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  84. jonas’ 4a) Last Call XEP-0411: Bookmarks Conversion URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0411.html Abstract: This specification describes a method to migrate to PEP based bookmarks without loosing compatibility with client that still use Private XML.
  85. jonas’ this is from our last-call-shortlist
  86. jonas’ I think daniel proposed it with the words "Not keen on it, but if people want to"
  87. jonas’ I think there are implementations already, so an LC seems like a good idea
  88. jonas’ +1
  89. Zash +1
  90. Ge0rG +1
  91. daniel +1
  92. jonas’ thanks
  93. jonas’ 4b) Last Call XEP-0352: Client State Indication URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html Abstract: This document defines a way for the client to indicate its active/inactive state.
  94. jonas’ also from our shortlist
  95. daniel +1
  96. Zash +1
  97. Ge0rG +1
  98. jonas’ +1
  99. jonas’ 4c) Deprecate XEP-0048 and add superseded-by XEP-0402 URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html
  100. jonas’ '48 is Bookmarks, '402 is Bookmarks 2 (This time it’s serious!) a.k.a. PEP Native Bookmarks
  101. jonas’ Guus pointed out that it’s quite confusing to have '48 in Draft without a mention of '402 at all
  102. Zash Hmmm
  103. jonas’ (in addition there is confusion around the example in '223 which feels uncannily close to what '0048 and '0402 do, causing more confusion; but that’s a topic for a PR)
  104. Ge0rG I think I'm +1 on this, it was already foreshadowed by https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html#future
  105. Ge0rG and apparently we already voted 0402 into draft.
  106. jonas’ I think we should get rid of '48-style private PEP usage where we can
  107. jonas’ so I’m +1 on that
  108. Zash Mmmm. +1
  109. Zash When does superseeded-by normally take effect?
  110. daniel jonas’: huh?
  111. jonas’ Zash, "taking effect"?
  112. daniel 48 style private pep?
  113. jonas’ daniel, with a single item for all stuff
  114. jonas’ instead of multiple separate items
  115. daniel Ah
  116. Zash Isn't 48 the non-pep one?
  117. jonas’ (when there is a clearly defined "item" in the PEP usage, as for bookmarks)
  118. jonas’ Zash, not anymore…
  119. Zash private xml storage?
  120. jonas’ (which adds to the confusion)
  121. jonas’ Zash, that was changed while it was in draft
  122. Zash such confuse
  123. daniel +1 on the depreciation
  124. Zash Oh, private xml storage is '49
  125. jonas’ thanks
  126. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  127. jonas’ we have one set of votes expiring today on PR#963: XEP-0178: Clarify SASL-EXTERNAL specification when s2s auth fails
  128. jonas’ I’m still confused about that change and the ML discussion is going on, so I’m continuing my veto based on that we first need list consensus before we act
  129. Zash That sounds agreeable
  130. Ge0rG phew, then I don't need to have a bad conscience for not resolving my on-list
  131. jonas’ I will let the editors *not* close the PR
  132. jonas’ this is more of a process hack to force cancel the vote.
  133. jonas’ then we’ve also got pending votes by Georg and dwd on advancing '338
  134. jonas’ Ge0rG, wanna cast now?
  135. jonas’ (this will be the moment where he disappears into non-connectivity)
  136. jonas’ (I see a typing notification…)
  137. Ge0rG jonas’: +1 on 338
  138. pep. Zash, private xml storage is '49, but bookmarks with private xml storage is an earlier version of '48
  139. jonas’ Ge0rG, thanks
  140. jonas’ 6) AOB
  141. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  142. jonas’ +1w wfm
  143. jonas’ I’ll do my best to defend the timeslot against the customer currently controlling my work schedule :D
  144. Ge0rG I might be a bit late next week, but +1W WFM
  145. daniel H +1w wfm
  146. Zash +1w wfm
  147. daniel +1w wfm
  148. jonas’ excellent
  149. jonas’ 7) AOB
  150. jonas’ 7) AOB (This time it’s serious)
  151. Ge0rG So my copying of ✋ to the clipboard for use as a marker was completely pointless.
  152. jonas’ I got none, since I can’t poke dwd about the video chat :)
  153. Zash I apparently couldn't post to the council list.
  154. jonas’ Zash, oh? got a reply from mailman on thato ne?
  155. jonas’ Zash, oh? got a reply from mailman on that one?
  156. Zash Yes. Held for moderation something something.
  157. pep. You're subscribed?
  158. jonas’ I’ll talk to MattJ about that
  159. jonas’ pep., members should be auto-subscribed
  160. jonas’ (for certain definitions of "auto")
  161. Zash I suppose I could too, but I'm in vacation mode and my TODO has a max-size of 1 :)
  162. pep. secretary-subscribed?
  163. jonas’ yeah
  164. jonas’ ok, AO-AOB?
  165. jonas’ assuming no
  166. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  167. jonas’ Thanks everyone, thanks Tedd (and sorry for the use of message correction which looks odd in the logs :))
  168. Zash Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.
  169. Ge0rG Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.
  170. jonas’ Thanks the mobile data network (I presume) in germany which let Ge0rG be reachable throughout this meeting
  171. Ge0rG jonas’: I was anticipating a call that would have interrupted my connectivity, despite being routed through a different SIM on this "multi-sim" phone
  172. jonas’ ah, I see
  173. Zash jonas’: I did something.
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