XMPP Council - 2020-08-19

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  123. jonas’ exhausting day
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  127. Zash Indeed
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  129. jonas’ you did seem to have a nice walk though
  130. jonas’ you did seem to have had a nice walk though
  131. jonas’ you do seem to have had a nice walk though
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  134. jonas’ got himself a nice scoop of home-made lemon sorbet
  135. dwd I hope you brought enough for everyone.
  136. jonas’ there is plenty
  137. jonas’ also it’s surprisingly easy to make with suitable tooling
  138. Zash I too had some lemon sorbet. Very nice
  139. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  140. daniel Hi
  141. Zash In a car, headed back to the office to get my bike
  142. jonas’ I hope you’re not driving
  143. Ge0rG
  144. jonas’ we had a dwd a few minutes ago, so I assume he’ll be around
  145. dwd Here.
  146. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing Sorry for the delay in the agenda, I hope you all got a chance to look at it nevertheless
  147. jonas’ anything else to complain about?
  148. Zash I haven't seen it yet :(
  149. dwd (Sorry, I was distracted by Tigase's announcement on Twitter of MIX support in xmpp.cloud)
  150. jonas’ Zash, oh? no daytime access to your emails or do we have a problem with the list server?
  151. jonas’ FYI: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037686.html
  152. jonas’ either way, despite this being a surprise agenda for Zash (and maybe others?), let’s move on
  153. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update - ProtoXEPs: - Message Archive Management Preferences - Pubsub Message Archive Management Both have been created as a spin-off from the most recent MAM update, but due to human error they were stuck in the PR queue.
  154. jonas’ so yay to MattJ for getting those up
  155. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  156. jonas’ 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Archive Management Preferences URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-mam-prefs.html Abstract: This document defines a protocol to control a user's archiving preferences. Note: This is in context of the MAM split-off in the most recent MAM release.
  157. daniel +1
  158. Ge0rG I have issues with that proto-XEP.
  159. jonas’ I have formal issues
  160. jonas’ Ge0rG, -v?
  161. Ge0rG Namely, two issues: a) experience shows that the default should be "all" and not "roster"; and b) I've stated multiple times before, in the context of 0313, that we need a way for the server to indicate to the client that no _explicit_ MAM storage prefs configuration has happened yet, so that the client can show a GDPR opt-in dialog
  162. Ge0rG oh, looks like that one bot with thousands of roster items has just restarted, making my server lag for a minute or two
  163. dwd Ge0rG, Is that sufficient to block publication of something that we have previously published?
  164. jonas’ same question
  165. Zash If it's broken out of 313 is it not an editorial thing?
  166. Ge0rG oh, +1 to 4a
  167. jonas’ also +1
  168. jonas’ Zash, I don’t think so
  169. dwd Ge0rG, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but...
  170. jonas’ it will be easier to handle those concerns in a document separate from '313
  171. Ge0rG dwd: sorry, I intended to +1 immediately but then got distracted by the overly long line, and then by the server lag
  172. jonas’ so having this as an indepentent XEP is the way to go
  173. Ge0rG it is using MAM's namepsace, right?
  174. dwd I have one concern over this XEP - it's the same namespace as XEP-0313.
  175. jonas’ dwd, I think that’s a feature, not a bug
  176. Ge0rG not that I'd consider that to be a problem, just that it's forking off of :2
  177. dwd And Ge0rG has managed to say so immediately prior to my saying so.
  178. jonas’ I’ll try to keep an eye on it and have it use a different namespace once a bumping change happens.
  179. dwd I think it *is* a feature, but - exactly what jonas’ says.
  180. jonas’ maybe also CC @ MattJ so that he’s aware
  181. jonas’ dwd, Zash, votes?
  182. dwd I might even go so far as to say it should be changed *now*, but with a note saying this was previously offered under a different namespace.
  183. jonas’ ok, I disagree on that one
  184. dwd So a cautious +1.
  185. dwd jonas’, Not a hill for me to die upon.
  186. jonas’ ok, let’s not have that discussion now then :)
  187. jonas’ (there have been *plenty* of pointless discussions today already, no need to add to it)
  188. MattJ FWIW I see this protocol as a dead-end as far as I'm concerned (i.e. no bumps will happen)
  189. Zash On-list
  190. jonas’ Zash, thanks
  191. jonas’ MattJ, curious, why?
  192. MattJ Giving users fine-grained control over archiving has... consequences
  193. jonas’ MattJ, ok, maybe also a discussion for the list.
  194. jonas’ can you put that as a reply to the ProtoXEP announcement maybe?
  195. MattJ Yeah, I was going to start one in response to the thread
  196. MattJ Yes :)
  197. jonas’ lovely, thanks
  198. jonas’ moving on
  199. MattJ I started writing it but didn't have time so put it aside
  200. jonas’ 4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Message Archive Management URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-pubsub-mam.html Abstract: This document defines a protocol to query and control a pubsub node's message archive. Note: This is in context of the MAM split-off in the most recent MAM release.
  201. daniel +1
  202. Zash On-list
  203. jonas’ +1, though it also needs some love
  204. dwd +1
  205. Ge0rG +1
  206. jonas’ that was quick’n’easy
  207. jonas’ 4c) PR#976: XEP-0060: Add missing querytype 'retrieve' action and 'item' key to registry submission URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/976 Abstract: The PubSub specification is missing registry entries for the 'retrieve' action and the 'item' key. This PR adds those to the query type registry submission. See-Also: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037679.html
  208. jonas’ I’m not sure if this shouldn’t even be editorial, but I wanted to make sure
  209. daniel Seems editorial to me
  210. Ge0rG +1, also what's the overall state of the registry?
  211. jonas’ Ge0rG, don’t ask
  212. dwd +1 if we need a +1.
  213. jonas’ +1
  214. daniel +1
  215. Zash +1
  216. Ge0rG doesn't ask
  217. jonas’ swift
  218. jonas’ 4d) PR#975: XEP-0004: Clarify field type omission for 'submit' and 'result' form field types, Version 2 URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/975 See-Also: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037664.html See-Also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/971
  219. jonas’ the never-ending PR chain
  220. Zash +1
  221. jonas’ +1
  222. jonas’ please don’t just +1 because I proposed this PR convincingly ;)
  223. daniel On list
  224. Ge0rG +1
  225. dwd +1 because jonas’ proposed it convincingly.
  226. jonas’ https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hedgewars/hw/master/share/hedgewars/Data/Sounds/voices/Default/Nooo.ogg
  227. jonas’ ok, that’s it
  228. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  229. Zash It looked good last week
  230. jonas’ only the on-lists from today
  231. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  232. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  233. jonas’ +1w wfm
  234. dwd +1 to that too.
  235. daniel +1w wfm
  236. Zash +1w wfm
  237. jonas’ thanks
  238. jonas’ 7) AOB
  239. jonas’ One from me:
  240. jonas’ I’ll be on vacation in the week of the 9th of september, so I’ll not be able to chair or prepare an agenda. That’s just as a heads up so that someone can step forward to take that on.
  241. jonas’ In addition, september will in general be "interesting times" here, so there may be times where the agenda has more jitter or I’ll need to delegate that and/or chairing
  242. jonas’ in october, stuff should gradually resume to normality
  243. Ge0rG I might be on vacation in the two weeks from Sep 14th or any other two weeks thereafter, depending on conditions outside of my control.
  244. jonas’ Any other AOB?
  245. stpeter I'm reviewing https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/905/ now :-)
  246. jonas’ <3
  247. jonas’ assuming no further AOB
  248. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  249. jonas’ thanks everyone, especially Tedd. Stay healthy.
  250. Zash Thanks
  251. Ge0rG Thanks jonas’
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