XMPP Council - 2020-08-19

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  123. jonas’

    exhausting day

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  127. Zash


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  129. jonas’

    you did seem to have a nice walk though

  130. jonas’

    you did seem to have had a nice walk though

  131. jonas’

    you do seem to have had a nice walk though

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  134. jonas’ got himself a nice scoop of home-made lemon sorbet

  135. dwd

    I hope you brought enough for everyone.

  136. jonas’

    there is plenty

  137. jonas’

    also it’s surprisingly easy to make with suitable tooling

  138. Zash

    I too had some lemon sorbet. Very nice

  139. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  140. daniel


  141. Zash

    In a car, headed back to the office to get my bike

  142. jonas’

    I hope you’re not driving

  143. Ge0rG

  144. jonas’

    we had a dwd a few minutes ago, so I assume he’ll be around

  145. dwd


  146. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing Sorry for the delay in the agenda, I hope you all got a chance to look at it nevertheless

  147. jonas’

    anything else to complain about?

  148. Zash

    I haven't seen it yet :(

  149. dwd

    (Sorry, I was distracted by Tigase's announcement on Twitter of MIX support in xmpp.cloud)

  150. jonas’

    Zash, oh? no daytime access to your emails or do we have a problem with the list server?

  151. jonas’

    FYI: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037686.html

  152. jonas’

    either way, despite this being a surprise agenda for Zash (and maybe others?), let’s move on

  153. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update - ProtoXEPs: - Message Archive Management Preferences - Pubsub Message Archive Management Both have been created as a spin-off from the most recent MAM update, but due to human error they were stuck in the PR queue.

  154. jonas’

    so yay to MattJ for getting those up

  155. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  156. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Archive Management Preferences URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-mam-prefs.html Abstract: This document defines a protocol to control a user's archiving preferences. Note: This is in context of the MAM split-off in the most recent MAM release.

  157. daniel


  158. Ge0rG

    I have issues with that proto-XEP.

  159. jonas’

    I have formal issues

  160. jonas’

    Ge0rG, -v?

  161. Ge0rG

    Namely, two issues: a) experience shows that the default should be "all" and not "roster"; and b) I've stated multiple times before, in the context of 0313, that we need a way for the server to indicate to the client that no _explicit_ MAM storage prefs configuration has happened yet, so that the client can show a GDPR opt-in dialog

  162. Ge0rG

    oh, looks like that one bot with thousands of roster items has just restarted, making my server lag for a minute or two

  163. dwd

    Ge0rG, Is that sufficient to block publication of something that we have previously published?

  164. jonas’

    same question

  165. Zash

    If it's broken out of 313 is it not an editorial thing?

  166. Ge0rG

    oh, +1 to 4a

  167. jonas’

    also +1

  168. jonas’

    Zash, I don’t think so

  169. dwd

    Ge0rG, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but...

  170. jonas’

    it will be easier to handle those concerns in a document separate from '313

  171. Ge0rG

    dwd: sorry, I intended to +1 immediately but then got distracted by the overly long line, and then by the server lag

  172. jonas’

    so having this as an indepentent XEP is the way to go

  173. Ge0rG

    it is using MAM's namepsace, right?

  174. dwd

    I have one concern over this XEP - it's the same namespace as XEP-0313.

  175. jonas’

    dwd, I think that’s a feature, not a bug

  176. Ge0rG

    not that I'd consider that to be a problem, just that it's forking off of :2

  177. dwd

    And Ge0rG has managed to say so immediately prior to my saying so.

  178. jonas’

    I’ll try to keep an eye on it and have it use a different namespace once a bumping change happens.

  179. dwd

    I think it *is* a feature, but - exactly what jonas’ says.

  180. jonas’

    maybe also CC @ MattJ so that he’s aware

  181. jonas’

    dwd, Zash, votes?

  182. dwd

    I might even go so far as to say it should be changed *now*, but with a note saying this was previously offered under a different namespace.

  183. jonas’

    ok, I disagree on that one

  184. dwd

    So a cautious +1.

  185. dwd

    jonas’, Not a hill for me to die upon.

  186. jonas’

    ok, let’s not have that discussion now then :)

  187. jonas’

    (there have been *plenty* of pointless discussions today already, no need to add to it)

  188. MattJ

    FWIW I see this protocol as a dead-end as far as I'm concerned (i.e. no bumps will happen)

  189. Zash


  190. jonas’

    Zash, thanks

  191. jonas’

    MattJ, curious, why?

  192. MattJ

    Giving users fine-grained control over archiving has... consequences

  193. jonas’

    MattJ, ok, maybe also a discussion for the list.

  194. jonas’

    can you put that as a reply to the ProtoXEP announcement maybe?

  195. MattJ

    Yeah, I was going to start one in response to the thread

  196. MattJ

    Yes :)

  197. jonas’

    lovely, thanks

  198. jonas’

    moving on

  199. MattJ

    I started writing it but didn't have time so put it aside

  200. jonas’

    4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Message Archive Management URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-pubsub-mam.html Abstract: This document defines a protocol to query and control a pubsub node's message archive. Note: This is in context of the MAM split-off in the most recent MAM release.

  201. daniel


  202. Zash


  203. jonas’

    +1, though it also needs some love

  204. dwd


  205. Ge0rG


  206. jonas’

    that was quick’n’easy

  207. jonas’

    4c) PR#976: XEP-0060: Add missing querytype 'retrieve' action and 'item' key to registry submission URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/976 Abstract: The PubSub specification is missing registry entries for the 'retrieve' action and the 'item' key. This PR adds those to the query type registry submission. See-Also: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037679.html

  208. jonas’

    I’m not sure if this shouldn’t even be editorial, but I wanted to make sure

  209. daniel

    Seems editorial to me

  210. Ge0rG

    +1, also what's the overall state of the registry?

  211. jonas’

    Ge0rG, don’t ask

  212. dwd

    +1 if we need a +1.

  213. jonas’


  214. daniel


  215. Zash


  216. Ge0rG doesn't ask

  217. jonas’


  218. jonas’

    4d) PR#975: XEP-0004: Clarify field type omission for 'submit' and 'result' form field types, Version 2 URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/975 See-Also: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2020-August/037664.html See-Also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/971

  219. jonas’

    the never-ending PR chain

  220. Zash


  221. jonas’


  222. jonas’

    please don’t just +1 because I proposed this PR convincingly ;)

  223. daniel

    On list

  224. Ge0rG


  225. dwd

    +1 because jonas’ proposed it convincingly.

  226. jonas’


  227. jonas’

    ok, that’s it

  228. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  229. Zash

    It looked good last week

  230. jonas’

    only the on-lists from today

  231. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  232. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  233. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  234. dwd

    +1 to that too.

  235. daniel

    +1w wfm

  236. Zash

    +1w wfm

  237. jonas’


  238. jonas’

    7) AOB

  239. jonas’

    One from me:

  240. jonas’

    I’ll be on vacation in the week of the 9th of september, so I’ll not be able to chair or prepare an agenda. That’s just as a heads up so that someone can step forward to take that on.

  241. jonas’

    In addition, september will in general be "interesting times" here, so there may be times where the agenda has more jitter or I’ll need to delegate that and/or chairing

  242. jonas’

    in october, stuff should gradually resume to normality

  243. Ge0rG

    I might be on vacation in the two weeks from Sep 14th or any other two weeks thereafter, depending on conditions outside of my control.

  244. jonas’

    Any other AOB?

  245. stpeter

    I'm reviewing https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/905/ now :-)

  246. jonas’


  247. jonas’

    assuming no further AOB

  248. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  249. jonas’

    thanks everyone, especially Tedd. Stay healthy.

  250. Zash


  251. Ge0rG

    Thanks jonas’

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