Ge0rGI'm still sitting in a conference call and can't promise my attention
jonas’1) Roll Call
dwd(Just in time!)
jonas’do we get a daniel?
jonas’2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’taking that as a no.
jonas’3) Editor’s Update
- Accepted XEP-0352 (Client State Indication) as Draft
- Accepted XEP-0411 (Bookmarks Conversion) as Draft
jonas’4) Items for voting
jonas’4a) MR!22: add composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer tags; make rating optional
Abstract: It seems, that "XEP-0118: User Tune" has been written mainly with pop music in mind, or maybe progressive rock. To make it more interesting for use with classical music or jazz, or audio books, some tags should be added, at least composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer.
Zashand non-versioned namespace
jonas’not sure what to do with this
jonas’would it make sense to put the new stuff in a separate namespace but under the same child?
dwdMy gut feeling on this is that the better solution might be to create an entirely new User Tune kind of thing. I'm guessing that there's probably a lot more other/prior art here now, thanks to the likes of Spotify etc.
danielprobably what dwd said
danieli don’t really have an opinion on that tbh
dwdAt least better to explore that avenue first.
danieldo people actually use that?
jonas’from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same child
jonas’from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same <tune/>
dwddaniel, Yes, though Edwin Mons has been listening to the same music for possibly decades now.
jonas’it’s obviously a 90% solution only, however, I doubt that we can get a 100% solution
ZashThere's probably not much harm in accepting this either, unless someone has a strict schema validator.
Kevdwd: That sounds likely, TBH.
dwdKev, I admit the "progressive rock" reference in the PR did make me think of him...
KevWhat is the harm in namespacing it, vs the known harm of not doing so?
ZashIf someone does find a Right Proper standard for audio metadata that we could point to, that'd be cool as a User Tune 2
ZashKev, complicates implementations
jonas’Kev, round trip with the MR author causing friction vs. potential strict schema validators breaking
danielif I vote -0 it takes a +1 from Ge0rG for it to go through right?
Kevjonas’: I note that those *are* a thing. People do deploy checkers to ensure content conforms to specs.
dwddaniel, Ge0rG can take the pressure.
jonas’4b) Propose Martin Dosch as Editor
dwdI have had, I think, little contact with him, but anyone willing to put in the work sounds like a good idea, so +1.
jonas’(formerly known as !XSF_Martin in xsf@)
jonas’(nowadays knows as mdosch)
Kev(I feel this falls far short of "backwards-incompatible modifications shall be avoided if at all possible" FWIW, but will drop it now)
jonas’(nowadays known as mdosch)
jonas’Kev, you’re right
jonas’5) Date of Next
jonas’(logs into calendar thing to find out)
Zashlooks at `ncal -b -3`
jonas’+1w should wfm, but it’s RIPE GM in that week, so I may not be able to chair
jonas’hoping that we’ll get quorum next week then
jonas’ok, I’ll go ahead then: Elections are coming up
jonas’put up your application if you want to (deadline is 2020-11-08) and/or encourage folks from the community of whom you’d think they’d be good in this role
jonas’7) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’dwd, reminder that you wanted to start a thread on OOB vs. SIMS vs. ??? in the context of the CFE for http upload
ZashHmmmmmm, will I have more spare cycles next year?
jonas’if 2020 taught us anything, it’s how unpredictable the world is *shrug*
dwdYes, I will.
dwdIn fact I've got the CFE up to reply to already. Just haven't written the email, but I will do now.
Zash> Any changes to a Draft XEP that could reasonably be construed as material must be *provisionally published, announced and discussed on the Standards mailing list*, and formally approved by the XMPP Council
dwdZash, Process Smash!
dwdZash, Although I'm a lot more comfortable when changes are thoroughly discussed within the community.