XMPP Council - 2020-10-21

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  146. Ge0rG I'm still sitting in a conference call and can't promise my attention
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  148. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  149. Zash !
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  151. dwd Hiya.
  152. dwd (Just in time!)
  153. jonas’ do we get a daniel?
  154. daniel hi
  155. jonas’ excellent
  156. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  157. jonas’ anything?
  158. jonas’ taking that as a no.
  159. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update - Accepted XEP-0352 (Client State Indication) as Draft - Accepted XEP-0411 (Bookmarks Conversion) as Draft
  160. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  161. jonas’ 4a) MR!22: add composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer tags; make rating optional URL: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/25/diffs Abstract: It seems, that "XEP-0118: User Tune" has been written mainly with pop music in mind, or maybe progressive rock. To make it more interesting for use with classical music or jazz, or audio books, some tags should be added, at least composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer.
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  165. Zash Hm, Draft
  166. jonas’ indeed
  167. Zash and non-versioned namespace
  168. jonas’ too
  169. jonas’ not sure what to do with this
  170. jonas’ would it make sense to put the new stuff in a separate namespace but under the same child?
  171. dwd My gut feeling on this is that the better solution might be to create an entirely new User Tune kind of thing. I'm guessing that there's probably a lot more other/prior art here now, thanks to the likes of Spotify etc.
  172. daniel probably what dwd said
  173. daniel i don’t really have an opinion on that tbh
  174. dwd At least better to explore that avenue first.
  175. daniel do people actually use that?
  176. jonas’ from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same child
  177. jonas’ from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same <tune/>
  178. dwd daniel, Yes, though Edwin Mons has been listening to the same music for possibly decades now.
  179. jonas’ it’s obviously a 90% solution only, however, I doubt that we can get a 100% solution
  180. Zash There's probably not much harm in accepting this either, unless someone has a strict schema validator.
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  182. Kev dwd: That sounds likely, TBH.
  183. dwd Kev, I admit the "progressive rock" reference in the PR did make me think of him...
  184. Zash Version 1.2 (2008-01-30) > Added rating element.
  185. Zash Hmmmmm
  186. jonas’ I’ll be bold and vote +1 on this.
  187. jonas’ Zash, nice find!
  188. Zash Myeah, +1
  189. dwd I think I'm -0.
  190. jonas’ any other votes?
  191. Kev What is the harm in namespacing it, vs the known harm of not doing so?
  192. Zash If someone does find a Right Proper standard for audio metadata that we could point to, that'd be cool as a User Tune 2
  193. Ge0rG I'm on-list
  194. Zash Kev, complicates implementations
  195. jonas’ Kev, round trip with the MR author causing friction vs. potential strict schema validators breaking
  196. daniel if I vote -0 it takes a +1 from Ge0rG for it to go through right?
  197. jonas’ daniel, true
  198. daniel -0 then
  199. jonas’ haha
  200. jonas’ neat
  201. jonas’ moving on
  202. Kev jonas’: I note that those *are* a thing. People do deploy checkers to ensure content conforms to specs.
  203. dwd daniel, Ge0rG can take the pressure.
  204. jonas’ 4b) Propose Martin Dosch as Editor
  205. jonas’ +1
  206. Ge0rG +1
  207. daniel +1
  208. Zash +1
  209. dwd I have had, I think, little contact with him, but anyone willing to put in the work sounds like a good idea, so +1.
  210. jonas’ (formerly known as !XSF_Martin in xsf@)
  211. jonas’ (nowadays knows as mdosch)
  212. dwd Oh.
  213. Kev (I feel this falls far short of "backwards-incompatible modifications shall be avoided if at all possible" FWIW, but will drop it now)
  214. jonas’ (nowadays known as mdosch)
  215. jonas’ Kev, you’re right
  216. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  217. Zash +1w?
  218. jonas’ (logs into calendar thing to find out)
  219. Zash looks at `ncal -b -3`
  220. daniel +1w wfm
  221. jonas’ +1w should wfm, but it’s RIPE GM in that week, so I may not be able to chair
  222. Zash +1w wfm
  223. jonas’ hoping that we’ll get quorum next week then
  224. jonas’ 6) AOB
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  227. Zash None here
  228. jonas’ ok, I’ll go ahead then: Elections are coming up
  229. jonas’ put up your application if you want to (deadline is 2020-11-08) and/or encourage folks from the community of whom you’d think they’d be good in this role
  230. jonas’ that’s it
  231. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  232. jonas’ thanks everyone
  233. jonas’ thanks Tedd
  234. Zash Thanks
  235. jonas’ dwd, reminder that you wanted to start a thread on OOB vs. SIMS vs. ??? in the context of the CFE for http upload
  236. Zash Hmmmmmm, will I have more spare cycles next year?
  237. jonas’ if 2020 taught us anything, it’s how unpredictable the world is *shrug*
  238. dwd Yes, I will.
  239. dwd In fact I've got the CFE up to reply to already. Just haven't written the email, but I will do now.
  240. jonas’ neat :)
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  244. Zash > Any changes to a Draft XEP that could reasonably be construed as material must be *provisionally published, announced and discussed on the Standards mailing list*, and formally approved by the XMPP Council
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  247. dwd Zash, Process Smash!
  248. dwd Zash, Although I'm a lot more comfortable when changes are thoroughly discussed within the community.
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  251. Zash Relevant discussion: https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2020-09-12?p=h#2020-09-12-7b989cb42bd803af
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