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Ge0rG
I'm still sitting in a conference call and can't promise my attention
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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Zash
!
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dwd
Hiya.
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dwd
(Just in time!)
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jonas’
do we get a daniel?
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daniel
hi
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jonas’
excellent
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
anything?
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jonas’
taking that as a no.
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jonas’
3) Editor’s Update - Accepted XEP-0352 (Client State Indication) as Draft - Accepted XEP-0411 (Bookmarks Conversion) as Draft
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jonas’
4) Items for voting
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jonas’
4a) MR!22: add composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer tags; make rating optional URL: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/25/diffs Abstract: It seems, that "XEP-0118: User Tune" has been written mainly with pop music in mind, or maybe progressive rock. To make it more interesting for use with classical music or jazz, or audio books, some tags should be added, at least composer, date, genre, language, lyricist, and performer.
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Zash
Hm, Draft
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jonas’
indeed
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Zash
and non-versioned namespace
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jonas’
too
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jonas’
not sure what to do with this
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jonas’
would it make sense to put the new stuff in a separate namespace but under the same child?
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dwd
My gut feeling on this is that the better solution might be to create an entirely new User Tune kind of thing. I'm guessing that there's probably a lot more other/prior art here now, thanks to the likes of Spotify etc.
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daniel
probably what dwd said
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daniel
i don’t really have an opinion on that tbh
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dwd
At least better to explore that avenue first.
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daniel
do people actually use that?
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jonas’
from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same child✎ -
jonas’
from a practical perspective, I think no harm is done by adding elements scoped into a different namespace under the same <tune/> ✏
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dwd
daniel, Yes, though Edwin Mons has been listening to the same music for possibly decades now.
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jonas’
it’s obviously a 90% solution only, however, I doubt that we can get a 100% solution
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Zash
There's probably not much harm in accepting this either, unless someone has a strict schema validator.
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Kev
dwd: That sounds likely, TBH.
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dwd
Kev, I admit the "progressive rock" reference in the PR did make me think of him...
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Zash
Version 1.2 (2008-01-30) > Added rating element.
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Zash
Hmmmmm
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jonas’
I’ll be bold and vote +1 on this.
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jonas’
Zash, nice find!
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Zash
Myeah, +1
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dwd
I think I'm -0.
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jonas’
any other votes?
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Kev
What is the harm in namespacing it, vs the known harm of not doing so?
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Zash
If someone does find a Right Proper standard for audio metadata that we could point to, that'd be cool as a User Tune 2
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Ge0rG
I'm on-list
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Zash
Kev, complicates implementations
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jonas’
Kev, round trip with the MR author causing friction vs. potential strict schema validators breaking
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daniel
if I vote -0 it takes a +1 from Ge0rG for it to go through right?
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jonas’
daniel, true
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daniel
-0 then
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jonas’
haha
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jonas’
neat
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jonas’
moving on
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Kev
jonas’: I note that those *are* a thing. People do deploy checkers to ensure content conforms to specs.
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dwd
daniel, Ge0rG can take the pressure.
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jonas’
4b) Propose Martin Dosch as Editor
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jonas’
+1
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Ge0rG
+1
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daniel
+1
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Zash
+1
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dwd
I have had, I think, little contact with him, but anyone willing to put in the work sounds like a good idea, so +1.
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jonas’
(formerly known as !XSF_Martin in xsf@)
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jonas’
(nowadays knows as mdosch)✎ -
dwd
Oh.
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Kev
(I feel this falls far short of "backwards-incompatible modifications shall be avoided if at all possible" FWIW, but will drop it now)
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jonas’
(nowadays known as mdosch) ✏
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jonas’
Kev, you’re right
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jonas’
5) Date of Next
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Zash
+1w?
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jonas’
(logs into calendar thing to find out)
- Zash looks at `ncal -b -3`
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daniel
+1w wfm
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jonas’
+1w should wfm, but it’s RIPE GM in that week, so I may not be able to chair
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Zash
+1w wfm
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jonas’
hoping that we’ll get quorum next week then
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jonas’
6) AOB
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Zash
None here
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jonas’
ok, I’ll go ahead then: Elections are coming up
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jonas’
put up your application if you want to (deadline is 2020-11-08) and/or encourage folks from the community of whom you’d think they’d be good in this role
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jonas’
that’s it
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jonas’
7) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks everyone
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jonas’
thanks Tedd
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Zash
Thanks
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jonas’
dwd, reminder that you wanted to start a thread on OOB vs. SIMS vs. ??? in the context of the CFE for http upload
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Zash
Hmmmmmm, will I have more spare cycles next year?
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jonas’
if 2020 taught us anything, it’s how unpredictable the world is *shrug*
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dwd
Yes, I will.
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dwd
In fact I've got the CFE up to reply to already. Just haven't written the email, but I will do now.
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jonas’
neat :)
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Zash
> Any changes to a Draft XEP that could reasonably be construed as material must be *provisionally published, announced and discussed on the Standards mailing list*, and formally approved by the XMPP Council
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dwd
Zash, Process Smash!
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dwd
Zash, Although I'm a lot more comfortable when changes are thoroughly discussed within the community.
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Zash
Relevant discussion: https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2020-09-12?p=h#2020-09-12-7b989cb42bd803af