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jonas’
16:00:04
1) Roll Call
Zash
16:00:23
Here
Ge0rG
16:00:24
here
jonas’
16:00:36
dwd sent apologies
jonas’
16:00:44
do we get a daniel?
Zash
16:00:46
If I dissapear then my laptop probably died.
daniel
16:00:57
Yes I'm here
jonas’
16:01:02
neat
jonas’
16:01:12
2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’
16:01:12
anything?
Ge0rG
16:01:27
I haven't managed to do any of the nice tasks I planned, like segmenting 0401
jonas’
16:01:49
assuming no
jonas’
16:01:55
3) Editor’s Update
- Welcomed Martin Dosch as editor
jonas’
16:02:01
4) Items for voting
None.
jonas’
16:02:05
5) Pending Votes
jonas’
16:02:18
Ge0rG, do you want to vote on MR!25, the User tune thing today?
jonas’
16:02:25
(you have time until next week I think)
Ge0rG
16:02:37
jonas’: I haven't managed to catch up on that, sorry.
jonas’
16:02:53
also, pretty please vote, otherwise I’ll have to look up exactly how our bylaws regulate this awful edge case :P
jonas’
16:03:05
with either +1 or -1, don’t vote 0, that’s not helpful ;-)
Ge0rG
16:03:14
🤔
jonas’
16:03:17
but ok, moving on then
jonas’
16:03:23
6) Date of Next
jonas’
16:04:01
+1w wfm, without caveats (that I know of) from my side for a change
daniel
16:04:27
Yes that should work for me as well
Zash
16:04:54
+1w wfm
jonas’
16:05:07
good enough, I suppose
jonas’
16:05:09
7) AOB
jonas’
16:05:17
7a) Election Season
Ge0rG
16:05:27
yay!
jonas’
16:05:29
I note that out of current council, only daniel and me have put up an application so far.
jonas’
16:05:53
Out of curiosity, where do the other members stand? do you intend to reapply and haven’t gotten around yet? still contemplating? hard no?
Zash
16:06:03
Does anyone want me to continue?
Zash
16:06:16
Mostly just busy with other stuff or too exhausted to do anything.
jonas’
16:06:29
Zash, I think you do regularly add valuable bits to the discussions.
jonas’
16:06:42
also, with the current lineup, we have 0 server developers.
jonas’
16:07:03
but if you don’t feel comfortable with doing it, I wouldn’t want to pressure you into anything.
Zash
16:07:29
I'd appreciate a reminder (when I'm at home with access to all my credentials)
jonas’
16:07:36
I’ll try to arrange for that.
jonas’
16:07:41
Ge0rG, any word on that matter?
Ge0rG
16:08:15
jonas’: I'd like to continue, even though I have had less time this year than last one.
jonas’
16:08:31
okay, I see, thank you
Ge0rG
16:08:51
I suppose I need to fill out my application before it's too late
jonas’
16:08:56
I’d also say that you add value to the discussions.
jonas’
16:08:58
yes, you do :)
Zash
16:09:09
The thing eating all my time should end Soon:tm: too, hope to have more time then.
Ge0rG
16:09:14
but maybe a last-second application will encourage newcomers to candidate
Zash
16:09:20
(like, early next year)
jonas’
16:09:33
Zash, I wish you all the best for that
jonas’
16:09:45
any other AOB?
Zash
16:10:04
I got nothing.
Ge0rG
16:10:14
I'd like to add a <delay> element into the non-normative example of MUC subject delivery
jonas’
16:10:27
Ge0rG, there is no delay element? :-O
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Ge0rG
16:10:33
jonas’: no
Ge0rG
16:10:40
it's probably straight-forward, but one could argue that it belongs into 0203 instead
jonas’
16:10:48
MUC never ceases to amaze me
daniel
16:10:50
And servers don't usually add that
Zash
16:10:51
Ge0rG, seen anything in the wild doing this? I think I have
daniel
16:10:54
Last I checked
jonas’
16:10:55
daniel, they don’-? ✎
jonas’
16:10:57
daniel, they don’t? ✏
Ge0rG
16:11:02
jonas’: I was as shocked as you when I realized it isn't there
jonas’
16:11:12
Ge0rG, it most certainly belongs in '45
Ge0rG
16:11:13
...when I wanted to tell the Bifröst devs that it's a good practice.
daniel
16:11:22
No. I once wanted to place the subject where it belongs in history
daniel
16:11:28
And that didn't work
Ge0rG
16:11:36
daniel: prosody will send a delay
Zash
16:11:54
Does it?
daniel
16:11:54
Mhhh maybe that's a recent thing?
jonas’
16:12:03
daniel, placing the subject in the place where it belongs in the history doesn’t really work in all cases (only approximating it if the subject is older than the oldest bit of history retrieved via classic history)
daniel
16:12:06
I last checked a few years ago
Zash
16:12:20
Should subject go in MAM?
daniel
16:12:42
jonas’: yes. But having a delay tag would at least allow you do try this with some considerations
Ge0rG
16:12:48
Zash: subject changes should. The interesting question is whether they should expire together with regular messages
Ge0rG
16:13:03
speaking of MAM, it recommends to store 'groupchat' messages into user archives.
daniel
16:13:16
Don't we need this for mix anyway?
Zash
16:13:37
It should probably handwave something about support for it.
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Ge0rG
16:13:45
daniel: no, and I'm not going to stop my opposition to that until somebody works out how to resync after any kind of s2s outage
Zash
16:13:51
Heck you could save everything, PEP notifications even.
Ge0rG
16:14:07
leave pep. out of my MAM!
pep.
16:14:15
:(
jonas’
16:14:21
so I’d be strongly in favour of specifying that a delay element SHOULD be included
daniel
16:14:33
> so I’d be strongly in favour of specifying that a delay element SHOULD be included
+1
jonas’
16:14:33
I’d be ok with doing that outside of the example even.
Ge0rG
16:14:42
jonas’: that's a normative change!
daniel
16:14:42
> I’d be ok with doing that outside of the example even.
+1
jonas’
16:14:42
clients will see whether the <delay/> is there or not
jonas’
16:14:47
Ge0rG, let me finish :)
jonas’
16:14:58
and clients which don’t expect <delay/> are doomed anyway, because it can be added by anyone
Zash
16:15:09
+1 to this whole notion
Ge0rG
16:15:16
jonas’: somebody is going to demand a feature var for that.
jonas’
16:15:19
and if we then also add a note that you cannot rely on <delay/> being there because it didn’t exist in MUC < version X.YZ, it’s ok.
Ge0rG
16:15:25
also +1 in case we are Formally Voting
jonas’
16:15:27
Ge0rG, then we add one and make them happy
jonas’
16:15:32
we’re not formally voting, we have nothing to vote on ;)
jonas’
16:15:46
someone should prepare a text, which I may do after this meeting
Ge0rG
16:15:48
yeah right.
Ge0rG
16:16:19
jonas’: that'd be splendid, as I lacked the time to do it since I discovered this strange omission
jonas’
16:16:29
will do, I have the file open already
jonas’
16:16:34
any other AOB?
daniel
16:16:41
None here
Ge0rG
16:16:55
None
jonas’
16:17:01
alright
jonas’
16:17:04
8) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’
16:17:06
thanks everyone
Zash
16:17:08
Thanks jonas’
Ge0rG
16:17:16
thanks jonas’, thanks theTedd
daniel
16:17:18
Thanks jonas’
Zash
16:17:28
Thanks Tedd!
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jonas’
16:27:04
FTR: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/29
https://xsf.gitlab.io/-/xeps/-/jobs/817295433/artifacts/rendered-changes/xep-0045.html#enter-subject
Ge0rG
16:34:05
ah, right. subject @from is the user, delay @from is the MUC because manipulation
jonas’
16:34:15
yes
Ge0rG
16:36:17
jonas’: 👍
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Ge0rG
18:47:35
While we are at it, we should change XEP-0118 to use the new integer-or-max field type for the `rating` element.
Zash
18:48:26
Shouldn't rating be in the 0..1 range?
Ge0rG
18:49:19
maybe, but then we'd need a float-or-max type
Zash
18:50:36
why max?
Ge0rG
18:51:01
because your favorite song should have the max rating
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[💩️..❤️]
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