Ge0rGI haven't managed to do any of the nice tasks I planned, like segmenting 0401
jonas’3) Editor’s Update
- Welcomed Martin Dosch as editor
jonas’4) Items for voting
jonas’5) Pending Votes
jonas’Ge0rG, do you want to vote on MR!25, the User tune thing today?
jonas’(you have time until next week I think)
Ge0rGjonas’: I haven't managed to catch up on that, sorry.
jonas’also, pretty please vote, otherwise I’ll have to look up exactly how our bylaws regulate this awful edge case :P
jonas’with either +1 or -1, don’t vote 0, that’s not helpful ;-)
jonas’but ok, moving on then
jonas’6) Date of Next
jonas’+1w wfm, without caveats (that I know of) from my side for a change
danielYes that should work for me as well
jonas’good enough, I suppose
jonas’7a) Election Season
jonas’I note that out of current council, only daniel and me have put up an application so far.
jonas’Out of curiosity, where do the other members stand? do you intend to reapply and haven’t gotten around yet? still contemplating? hard no?
ZashDoes anyone want me to continue?
ZashMostly just busy with other stuff or too exhausted to do anything.
jonas’Zash, I think you do regularly add valuable bits to the discussions.
jonas’also, with the current lineup, we have 0 server developers.
jonas’but if you don’t feel comfortable with doing it, I wouldn’t want to pressure you into anything.
ZashI'd appreciate a reminder (when I'm at home with access to all my credentials)
jonas’I’ll try to arrange for that.
jonas’Ge0rG, any word on that matter?
Ge0rGjonas’: I'd like to continue, even though I have had less time this year than last one.
jonas’okay, I see, thank you
Ge0rGI suppose I need to fill out my application before it's too late
jonas’I’d also say that you add value to the discussions.
jonas’yes, you do :)
ZashThe thing eating all my time should end Soon:tm: too, hope to have more time then.
Ge0rGbut maybe a last-second application will encourage newcomers to candidate
Zash(like, early next year)
jonas’Zash, I wish you all the best for that
jonas’any other AOB?
ZashI got nothing.
Ge0rGI'd like to add a <delay> element into the non-normative example of MUC subject delivery
jonas’Ge0rG, there is no delay element? :-O
Ge0rGit's probably straight-forward, but one could argue that it belongs into 0203 instead
jonas’MUC never ceases to amaze me
danielAnd servers don't usually add that
ZashGe0rG, seen anything in the wild doing this? I think I have
danielLast I checked
jonas’daniel, they don’-?
jonas’daniel, they don’t?
Ge0rGjonas’: I was as shocked as you when I realized it isn't there
jonas’Ge0rG, it most certainly belongs in '45
Ge0rG...when I wanted to tell the Bifröst devs that it's a good practice.
danielNo. I once wanted to place the subject where it belongs in history
danielAnd that didn't work
Ge0rGdaniel: prosody will send a delay
danielMhhh maybe that's a recent thing?
jonas’daniel, placing the subject in the place where it belongs in the history doesn’t really work in all cases (only approximating it if the subject is older than the oldest bit of history retrieved via classic history)
danielI last checked a few years ago
ZashShould subject go in MAM?
danieljonas’: yes. But having a delay tag would at least allow you do try this with some considerations
Ge0rGZash: subject changes should. The interesting question is whether they should expire together with regular messages
Ge0rGspeaking of MAM, it recommends to store 'groupchat' messages into user archives.
danielDon't we need this for mix anyway?
ZashIt should probably handwave something about support for it.
Ge0rGdaniel: no, and I'm not going to stop my opposition to that until somebody works out how to resync after any kind of s2s outage
ZashHeck you could save everything, PEP notifications even.
Ge0rGleave pep. out of my MAM!
jonas’so I’d be strongly in favour of specifying that a delay element SHOULD be included
daniel> so I’d be strongly in favour of specifying that a delay element SHOULD be included
jonas’I’d be ok with doing that outside of the example even.
Ge0rGjonas’: that's a normative change!
daniel> I’d be ok with doing that outside of the example even.
jonas’clients will see whether the <delay/> is there or not
jonas’Ge0rG, let me finish :)
jonas’and clients which don’t expect <delay/> are doomed anyway, because it can be added by anyone
Zash+1 to this whole notion
Ge0rGjonas’: somebody is going to demand a feature var for that.
jonas’and if we then also add a note that you cannot rely on <delay/> being there because it didn’t exist in MUC < version X.YZ, it’s ok.
Ge0rGalso +1 in case we are Formally Voting
jonas’Ge0rG, then we add one and make them happy
jonas’we’re not formally voting, we have nothing to vote on ;)
jonas’someone should prepare a text, which I may do after this meeting
Ge0rGjonas’: that'd be splendid, as I lacked the time to do it since I discovered this strange omission