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Ge0rG
Uh-oh, Wednesday!
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jonas’
indeed
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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jonas’
Ge0rG, daniel, dwd, Zash
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dwd
Bacon and cheese, please.
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jonas’
yum
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daniel
Hi
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Zash
Awake!
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jonas’
good thing that Burgers are on the shopping list for tomorrow!
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jonas’
assuming that Ge0rG will hop in again…
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
- Ge0rG is still hanging in a phone conference
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jonas’
anything?
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Ge0rG
initially I wanted to add my 0401 changes, but those don't depend on Council
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jonas’
good
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jonas’
3) Editor’s Update
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jonas’
I fgorgot to update that section in the email...
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dwd
Welcome mdosch again?
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jonas’
The LC for XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) ended
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Zash
Already?
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jonas’
which also means that we add another agendum: Decide on advancement of XEP-0443
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jonas’
yep, it was started two weeks ago so that we can vote on it in this meeting ;-)
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jonas’
4) Items for voting
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jonas’
4a) MR!29: XEP-0045: specify use of <delay/> in subject message URL: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/29 Rendered-Version: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/jobs/817295433/artifacts/file/rendered-changes/xep-0045.html
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jonas’
as discussed last week
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jonas’
I am +1 on this
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Zash
+1
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dwd
+1, I thought we did this. Or that someone did this at least.
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daniel
⁺1
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jonas’
dwd, everyone thinks so, but it’s not written down anywhere
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dwd
daniel, Fancy.
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jonas’
I’m assuming that Ge0rG will vote late due to his conference.
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Ge0rG
+1
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jonas’
great!
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jonas’
4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pre-Authenticated In-Band Registration URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ibr-token.html Abstract: This document extends the In-Band-Registration protocol to use invitation tokens, e.g. for registering accounts on non-public servers.
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Ge0rG
surprisingly +1
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Zash
:shocked:
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Ge0rG
Also thanks Dave for the review and on-list feedback
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daniel
on list
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jonas’
on-list, too
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Zash
on list
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dwd
I need to think a bit on this one, sorry. Sam's comments raise further thoughts.
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jonas’
dwd, thanks for the namespace note, I’ll add it to the spreadsheet for the editors to take care of
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dwd
jonas’, I might be persuaded on the namespace, actually.
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Ge0rG
I like that namespace.
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Ge0rG
see list discussion
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jonas’
yep, will add a note to "see list discussion" :)
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jonas’
dwd, i take that as "on list"?
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Ge0rG
Sam made a very generic point that applies to all of the pre-authenticated phase.
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dwd
jonas’, Yes.
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jonas’
4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0443.html
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jonas’
surprise-LC-expiry
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Ge0rG
there was some feedback today
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jonas’
There were comments during the LC which should be addressed
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jonas’
one way or the other
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jonas’
well, not actually *during* the LC
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jonas’
but close enough, given the intent of this LC anyway
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Ge0rG
There were two Last Calls?
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jonas’
two?
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Zash
One from a few days ago
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Ge0rG
Or maybe just two emails, one at the beginning and one at the end, using the same template
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daniel
there was feedback today?
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jonas’
two emails
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jonas’
yeah, but the same ending date
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jonas’
strange stuff happened in the automation yesterday
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Ge0rG
a mail sent yesterday 15:54:11, advertising the end of the LC for eob on the same day
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Zash
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 15:54:11 -0000 From: XEP Editor Pipeline <xep-editor-pipeline@zombofant.net>
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jonas’
yeah, sorry for that noise
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jonas’
</editor-hat>
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daniel
oh that thread got flagged as spam
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jonas’
<editor-hat>daniel, I’d be interested to hear if you can provide details as to why, later</editor-hat>
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daniel
just martins mail
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daniel
not editors email
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dwd
Ah, I've not seen that thread either. I'll have to therefore be on-list.
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jonas’
so we had LC feedback from both daniel and martin, which Ge0rG will hopefully address
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Ge0rG
jonas’: of course I will.
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jonas’
and thus I don’t think it makes sense to vote on this now
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moparisthebest
(likely spf+dkim list misconfiguration still)
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Ge0rG
I'd also like to see *more* feedback on the LC, even given that nobody cares about it.
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Ge0rG
it = Compliance Suites
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jonas’
Ge0rG, are you sure? ;-) The last time was burn-outy
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daniel
Ge0rG, what kind of feedback are you looking for?
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jonas’
anyway, moving on
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jonas’
(we can have that discussion as AOB or outside of this meeting)
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Ge0rG
daniel: are there any XEPs missing, should some XEPs be removed?
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jonas’
5) Date of Next
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dwd
I forget, do we have the Jingle bits in the compliance suite now?
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daniel
yes
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Ge0rG
+1W WFM
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jonas’
+1w wfm, I hope I’ll not miss it (because it’s a local holiday)
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daniel
+1w wfm
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jonas’
no wait, that’s the week after, nevermind
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jonas’
so +1w wfm, unconditionally
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Zash
+1w wfm
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Ge0rG
jonas’: well, 11/11 is also a local holiday in some parts of Germany ;)
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dwd
I'm potentially moving house next week, but hopefully I'll make the meeting.
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jonas’
dwd, good luck!
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jonas’
6) AOB
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dwd
jonas’, No luck involved - we have the house now - just a matter of deciding when.
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jonas’
dwd, IME, luck is involved when moving, one way or the other :)
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jonas’
6a) Election season I note that there are more applications now, which is nice :)
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jonas’
any other AOB or points to this AOB?
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Ge0rG
0401, CS21
- jonas’ hands the mic to Ge0rG
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Ge0rG
6b) Compliance Suite 2021
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dwd
(I hear there's some other election on at the moment too)
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daniel
there is?
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jonas’
dwd, don’t
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Ge0rG
daniel: thanks very much for your A/V additions and the LC feedback; I'm looking for feedback regarding further XEPs that should be added, XEPs that should be moved from non-normative to normative and XEPs that might be removed
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Ge0rG
like e.g. XEP-0425 was proposed by mdosch
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Ge0rG
it's Experimental, but it might be a good addition for Advanced IM
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daniel
i think we lack experience on that one. especially but not just because it uses fastening
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Zash
Under Future development perhaps then?
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daniel
that might be interesting
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jonas’
+1 on that
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Ge0rG
I think it was implemented in Converse and everybody else ignored it.
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Ge0rG
okay, noted for the non-normative part of IM
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Zash
(There's a Prosody module for it)
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jonas’
Ge0rG, I thought for Future Dev, not for non-normative IM?
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dwd
I'm going to have to head off, I'm afraid - someone's arrived a bit early - but I'll commit to going through the suite.
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Ge0rG
dwd: thanks!
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Ge0rG
jonas’: roger, will add it to "Future Dev".
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jonas’
dwd, thanks, have a nice evening!
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Ge0rG
I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS.
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Zash
Got a list?
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jonas’
Ge0rG, would you also like to kindly ask the Editor to provide such a list?
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Ge0rG
jonas’: that'd be awesome.
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jonas’
mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on?
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Ge0rG
I think the Editors can clarify the next steps off-meeting
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jonas’
yes
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Ge0rG
thanks!
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Ge0rG
6c) XEP-0401 and ibr-token
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Ge0rG
I actually intended to ask Dave for some more feedback, but this will have to happen on-list now
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jonas’
Does ibr-token document what snikket does?
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Ge0rG
jonas’: yes
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Zash
So how is the intended relation between those three XEPs?
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jonas’
great
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Ge0rG
Zash: the third one being?
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Zash
379
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Ge0rG
0379 is the roster-adding part, ibr-token is the account-creation part, and 0401 is the one putting it all together
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Ge0rG
or maybe just pulling tokens via ad-hoc
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Ge0rG
I'm not 100% sure yet
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Zash
I note there's conflicting overlap with 401, is this what the change you mentioned addresses?
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Ge0rG
I had some slight disagreement with the 0401 author about the direction, and I'm not yet confident how we will resolve that
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jonas’
Zash, for that, note https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/33
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Ge0rG
Zash: anything IBR got removed from 0401 in ^
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Zash
As I think I've stated before, I very much would like all this moved onto IBR2 in the The Future™
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mdosch
> I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS. > mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on? I'll do. 😃
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Zash
Once SASL2, IBR2 etc is in shape
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Ge0rG
Zash: yes, that's the goal. We'll reference IBR2 / SASL2 / XMPP2-IBR / TODO:TODO in 0401 once that's ready
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Ge0rG
but until somebody starts working on it, we have the status quo documented in ibr-token and referenced from 0401
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jonas’
SGTM
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jonas’
more can happen in the protoxep thread on lit, I think✎ -
jonas’
more can happen in the protoxep thread on list, I think ✏
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Ge0rG
I'm pretty sure that some people will prevent ibr-token from ever passing Experimental, but I'm fine with that
- Ge0rG hands the mic to jonas’
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jonas’
thanks
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jonas’
any other AOB?
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jonas’
7) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks evryone
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Ge0rG
thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks everyone
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Zash
Tanks jonas’, all, Tedd
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daniel
thanks all
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Ge0rG
Zash: no tanks please
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Ge0rG
I really hope that we can get through the election without violence.