XMPP Council - 2020-11-04

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  217. Ge0rG Uh-oh, Wednesday!
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  219. jonas’ indeed
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  221. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
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  223. jonas’ Ge0rG, daniel, dwd, Zash
  224. dwd Bacon and cheese, please.
  225. jonas’ yum
  226. daniel Hi
  227. Zash Awake!
  228. jonas’ good thing that Burgers are on the shopping list for tomorrow!
  229. jonas’ assuming that Ge0rG will hop in again…
  230. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  231. Ge0rG is still hanging in a phone conference
  232. jonas’ anything?
  233. Ge0rG initially I wanted to add my 0401 changes, but those don't depend on Council
  234. jonas’ good
  235. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update
  236. jonas’ I fgorgot to update that section in the email...
  237. dwd Welcome mdosch again?
  238. jonas’ The LC for XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) ended
  239. Zash Already?
  240. jonas’ which also means that we add another agendum: Decide on advancement of XEP-0443
  241. jonas’ yep, it was started two weeks ago so that we can vote on it in this meeting ;-)
  242. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  243. jonas’ 4a) MR!29: XEP-0045: specify use of <delay/> in subject message URL: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/29 Rendered-Version: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/jobs/817295433/artifacts/file/rendered-changes/xep-0045.html
  244. jonas’ as discussed last week
  245. jonas’ I am +1 on this
  246. Zash +1
  247. dwd +1, I thought we did this. Or that someone did this at least.
  248. daniel ⁺1
  249. jonas’ dwd, everyone thinks so, but it’s not written down anywhere
  250. dwd daniel, Fancy.
  251. jonas’ I’m assuming that Ge0rG will vote late due to his conference.
  252. Ge0rG +1
  253. jonas’ great!
  254. jonas’ 4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pre-Authenticated In-Band Registration URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ibr-token.html Abstract: This document extends the In-Band-Registration protocol to use invitation tokens, e.g. for registering accounts on non-public servers.
  255. Ge0rG surprisingly +1
  256. Zash :shocked:
  257. Ge0rG Also thanks Dave for the review and on-list feedback
  258. daniel on list
  259. jonas’ on-list, too
  260. Zash on list
  261. dwd I need to think a bit on this one, sorry. Sam's comments raise further thoughts.
  262. jonas’ dwd, thanks for the namespace note, I’ll add it to the spreadsheet for the editors to take care of
  263. dwd jonas’, I might be persuaded on the namespace, actually.
  264. Ge0rG I like that namespace.
  265. Ge0rG see list discussion
  266. jonas’ yep, will add a note to "see list discussion" :)
  267. jonas’ dwd, i take that as "on list"?
  268. Ge0rG Sam made a very generic point that applies to all of the pre-authenticated phase.
  269. dwd jonas’, Yes.
  270. jonas’ 4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0443.html
  271. jonas’ surprise-LC-expiry
  272. Ge0rG there was some feedback today
  273. jonas’ There were comments during the LC which should be addressed
  274. jonas’ one way or the other
  275. jonas’ well, not actually *during* the LC
  276. jonas’ but close enough, given the intent of this LC anyway
  277. Ge0rG There were two Last Calls?
  278. jonas’ two?
  279. Zash One from a few days ago
  280. Ge0rG Or maybe just two emails, one at the beginning and one at the end, using the same template
  281. daniel there was feedback today?
  282. jonas’ two emails
  283. jonas’ yeah, but the same ending date
  284. jonas’ strange stuff happened in the automation yesterday
  285. Ge0rG a mail sent yesterday 15:54:11, advertising the end of the LC for eob on the same day
  286. Zash Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 15:54:11 -0000 From: XEP Editor Pipeline <xep-editor-pipeline@zombofant.net>
  287. jonas’ yeah, sorry for that noise
  288. jonas’ </editor-hat>
  289. daniel oh that thread got flagged as spam
  290. jonas’ <editor-hat>daniel, I’d be interested to hear if you can provide details as to why, later</editor-hat>
  291. daniel just martins mail
  292. daniel not editors email
  293. dwd Ah, I've not seen that thread either. I'll have to therefore be on-list.
  294. jonas’ so we had LC feedback from both daniel and martin, which Ge0rG will hopefully address
  295. Ge0rG jonas’: of course I will.
  296. jonas’ and thus I don’t think it makes sense to vote on this now
  297. moparisthebest (likely spf+dkim list misconfiguration still)
  298. Ge0rG I'd also like to see *more* feedback on the LC, even given that nobody cares about it.
  299. Ge0rG it = Compliance Suites
  300. jonas’ Ge0rG, are you sure? ;-) The last time was burn-outy
  301. daniel Ge0rG, what kind of feedback are you looking for?
  302. jonas’ anyway, moving on
  303. jonas’ (we can have that discussion as AOB or outside of this meeting)
  304. Ge0rG daniel: are there any XEPs missing, should some XEPs be removed?
  305. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  306. dwd I forget, do we have the Jingle bits in the compliance suite now?
  307. daniel yes
  308. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  309. jonas’ +1w wfm, I hope I’ll not miss it (because it’s a local holiday)
  310. daniel +1w wfm
  311. jonas’ no wait, that’s the week after, nevermind
  312. jonas’ so +1w wfm, unconditionally
  313. Zash +1w wfm
  314. Ge0rG jonas’: well, 11/11 is also a local holiday in some parts of Germany ;)
  315. dwd I'm potentially moving house next week, but hopefully I'll make the meeting.
  316. jonas’ dwd, good luck!
  317. jonas’ 6) AOB
  318. dwd jonas’, No luck involved - we have the house now - just a matter of deciding when.
  319. jonas’ dwd, IME, luck is involved when moving, one way or the other :)
  320. jonas’ 6a) Election season I note that there are more applications now, which is nice :)
  321. jonas’ any other AOB or points to this AOB?
  322. Ge0rG 0401, CS21
  323. jonas’ hands the mic to Ge0rG
  324. Ge0rG 6b) Compliance Suite 2021
  325. dwd (I hear there's some other election on at the moment too)
  326. daniel there is?
  327. jonas’ dwd, don’t
  328. Ge0rG daniel: thanks very much for your A/V additions and the LC feedback; I'm looking for feedback regarding further XEPs that should be added, XEPs that should be moved from non-normative to normative and XEPs that might be removed
  329. Ge0rG like e.g. XEP-0425 was proposed by mdosch
  330. Ge0rG it's Experimental, but it might be a good addition for Advanced IM
  331. daniel i think we lack experience on that one. especially but not just because it uses fastening
  332. Zash Under Future development perhaps then?
  333. daniel that might be interesting
  334. jonas’ +1 on that
  335. Ge0rG I think it was implemented in Converse and everybody else ignored it.
  336. Ge0rG okay, noted for the non-normative part of IM
  337. Zash (There's a Prosody module for it)
  338. jonas’ Ge0rG, I thought for Future Dev, not for non-normative IM?
  339. dwd I'm going to have to head off, I'm afraid - someone's arrived a bit early - but I'll commit to going through the suite.
  340. Ge0rG dwd: thanks!
  341. Ge0rG jonas’: roger, will add it to "Future Dev".
  342. jonas’ dwd, thanks, have a nice evening!
  343. Ge0rG I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS.
  344. Zash Got a list?
  345. jonas’ Ge0rG, would you also like to kindly ask the Editor to provide such a list?
  346. Ge0rG jonas’: that'd be awesome.
  347. jonas’ mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on?
  348. Ge0rG I think the Editors can clarify the next steps off-meeting
  349. jonas’ yes
  350. Ge0rG thanks!
  351. Ge0rG 6c) XEP-0401 and ibr-token
  352. Ge0rG I actually intended to ask Dave for some more feedback, but this will have to happen on-list now
  353. jonas’ Does ibr-token document what snikket does?
  354. Ge0rG jonas’: yes
  355. Zash So how is the intended relation between those three XEPs?
  356. jonas’ great
  357. Ge0rG Zash: the third one being?
  358. Zash 379
  359. Ge0rG 0379 is the roster-adding part, ibr-token is the account-creation part, and 0401 is the one putting it all together
  360. Ge0rG or maybe just pulling tokens via ad-hoc
  361. Ge0rG I'm not 100% sure yet
  362. Zash I note there's conflicting overlap with 401, is this what the change you mentioned addresses?
  363. Ge0rG I had some slight disagreement with the 0401 author about the direction, and I'm not yet confident how we will resolve that
  364. jonas’ Zash, for that, note https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/33
  365. Ge0rG Zash: anything IBR got removed from 0401 in ^
  366. Zash As I think I've stated before, I very much would like all this moved onto IBR2 in the The Future™
  367. mdosch > I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS. > mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on? I'll do. 😃
  368. Zash Once SASL2, IBR2 etc is in shape
  369. Ge0rG Zash: yes, that's the goal. We'll reference IBR2 / SASL2 / XMPP2-IBR / TODO:TODO in 0401 once that's ready
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  371. Ge0rG but until somebody starts working on it, we have the status quo documented in ibr-token and referenced from 0401
  372. jonas’ SGTM
  373. jonas’ more can happen in the protoxep thread on lit, I think
  374. jonas’ more can happen in the protoxep thread on list, I think
  375. Ge0rG I'm pretty sure that some people will prevent ibr-token from ever passing Experimental, but I'm fine with that
  376. Ge0rG hands the mic to jonas’
  377. jonas’ thanks
  378. jonas’ any other AOB?
  379. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  380. jonas’ thanks evryone
  381. Ge0rG thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks everyone
  382. Zash Tanks jonas’, all, Tedd
  383. daniel thanks all
  384. Ge0rG Zash: no tanks please
  385. Ge0rG I really hope that we can get through the election without violence.
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