XMPP Council - 2020-11-04

Uh-oh, Wednesday!

indeed

1) Roll Call

Ge0rG, daniel, dwd, Zash

Bacon and cheese, please.

yum

Hi

Awake!

good thing that Burgers are on the shopping list for tomorrow!

assuming that Ge0rG will hop in again…

2) Agenda Bashing

anything?

initially I wanted to add my 0401 changes, but those don't depend on Council

good

3) Editor’s Update

I fgorgot to update that section in the email...

Welcome mdosch again?

The LC for XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) ended

Already?

which also means that we add another agendum: Decide on advancement of XEP-0443

yep, it was started two weeks ago so that we can vote on it in this meeting ;-)

4) Items for voting

4a) MR!29: XEP-0045: specify use of <delay/> in subject message URL: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/29 Rendered-Version: https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/jobs/817295433/artifacts/file/rendered-changes/xep-0045.html

as discussed last week

I am +1 on this

+1

+1, I thought we did this. Or that someone did this at least.

⁺1

dwd, everyone thinks so, but it’s not written down anywhere

daniel, Fancy.

I’m assuming that Ge0rG will vote late due to his conference.

+1

great!

4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pre-Authenticated In-Band Registration URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ibr-token.html Abstract: This document extends the In-Band-Registration protocol to use invitation tokens, e.g. for registering accounts on non-public servers.

surprisingly +1

:shocked:

Also thanks Dave for the review and on-list feedback

on list

on-list, too

on list

I need to think a bit on this one, sorry. Sam's comments raise further thoughts.

dwd, thanks for the namespace note, I’ll add it to the spreadsheet for the editors to take care of

jonas’, I might be persuaded on the namespace, actually.

I like that namespace.

see list discussion

yep, will add a note to "see list discussion" :)

dwd, i take that as "on list"?

Sam made a very generic point that applies to all of the pre-authenticated phase.

jonas’, Yes.

4c) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0443 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2021) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0443.html

surprise-LC-expiry

there was some feedback today

There were comments during the LC which should be addressed

one way or the other

well, not actually *during* the LC

but close enough, given the intent of this LC anyway

There were two Last Calls?

two?

One from a few days ago

Or maybe just two emails, one at the beginning and one at the end, using the same template

there was feedback today?

two emails

yeah, but the same ending date

strange stuff happened in the automation yesterday

a mail sent yesterday 15:54:11, advertising the end of the LC for eob on the same day

Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 15:54:11 -0000 From: XEP Editor Pipeline <xep-editor-pipeline@zombofant.net>

yeah, sorry for that noise

</editor-hat>

oh that thread got flagged as spam

<editor-hat>daniel, I’d be interested to hear if you can provide details as to why, later</editor-hat>

just martins mail

not editors email

Ah, I've not seen that thread either. I'll have to therefore be on-list.

so we had LC feedback from both daniel and martin, which Ge0rG will hopefully address

jonas’: of course I will.

and thus I don’t think it makes sense to vote on this now

(likely spf+dkim list misconfiguration still)

I'd also like to see *more* feedback on the LC, even given that nobody cares about it.

it = Compliance Suites

Ge0rG, are you sure? ;-) The last time was burn-outy

Ge0rG, what kind of feedback are you looking for?

anyway, moving on

(we can have that discussion as AOB or outside of this meeting)

daniel: are there any XEPs missing, should some XEPs be removed?

5) Date of Next

I forget, do we have the Jingle bits in the compliance suite now?

yes

+1W WFM

+1w wfm, I hope I’ll not miss it (because it’s a local holiday)

+1w wfm

no wait, that’s the week after, nevermind

so +1w wfm, unconditionally

+1w wfm

jonas’: well, 11/11 is also a local holiday in some parts of Germany ;)

I'm potentially moving house next week, but hopefully I'll make the meeting.

dwd, good luck!

6) AOB

jonas’, No luck involved - we have the house now - just a matter of deciding when.

dwd, IME, luck is involved when moving, one way or the other :)

6a) Election season I note that there are more applications now, which is nice :)

any other AOB or points to this AOB?

0401, CS21

6b) Compliance Suite 2021

(I hear there's some other election on at the moment too)

there is?

dwd, don’t

daniel: thanks very much for your A/V additions and the LC feedback; I'm looking for feedback regarding further XEPs that should be added, XEPs that should be moved from non-normative to normative and XEPs that might be removed

like e.g. XEP-0425 was proposed by mdosch

it's Experimental, but it might be a good addition for Advanced IM

i think we lack experience on that one. especially but not just because it uses fastening

Under Future development perhaps then?

that might be interesting

+1 on that

I think it was implemented in Converse and everybody else ignored it.

okay, noted for the non-normative part of IM

(There's a Prosody module for it)

Ge0rG, I thought for Future Dev, not for non-normative IM?

I'm going to have to head off, I'm afraid - someone's arrived a bit early - but I'll commit to going through the suite.

dwd: thanks!

jonas’: roger, will add it to "Future Dev".

dwd, thanks, have a nice evening!

I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS.

Got a list?

Ge0rG, would you also like to kindly ask the Editor to provide such a list?

jonas’: that'd be awesome.

mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on?

I think the Editors can clarify the next steps off-meeting

yes

thanks!

6c) XEP-0401 and ibr-token

I actually intended to ask Dave for some more feedback, but this will have to happen on-list now

Does ibr-token document what snikket does?

jonas’: yes

So how is the intended relation between those three XEPs?

great

Zash: the third one being?

379

0379 is the roster-adding part, ibr-token is the account-creation part, and 0401 is the one putting it all together

or maybe just pulling tokens via ad-hoc

I'm not 100% sure yet

I note there's conflicting overlap with 401, is this what the change you mentioned addresses?

I had some slight disagreement with the 0401 author about the direction, and I'm not yet confident how we will resolve that

Zash, for that, note https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/33

Zash: anything IBR got removed from 0401 in ^

As I think I've stated before, I very much would like all this moved onto IBR2 in the The Future™

> I'd like to kindly ask each Council member to review the XEPs that were touched in the last year for inclusion into CS. > mdosch, ^ do you want to take that on? I'll do. 😃

Once SASL2, IBR2 etc is in shape

Zash: yes, that's the goal. We'll reference IBR2 / SASL2 / XMPP2-IBR / TODO:TODO in 0401 once that's ready

but until somebody starts working on it, we have the status quo documented in ibr-token and referenced from 0401

SGTM

more can happen in the protoxep thread on list, I think ✏

I'm pretty sure that some people will prevent ibr-token from ever passing Experimental, but I'm fine with that

thanks

any other AOB?

7) Ite Meeting Est

thanks evryone

thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks everyone

Tanks jonas’, all, Tedd

thanks all

Zash: no tanks please

I really hope that we can get through the election without violence.