XMPP Council - 2020-11-24

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> <standards@xmpp.org>: connect to atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]:25: No route to host

That's quite unfortunate, given tonight's election

Ehm

Only port 25? Does this ISP block port 25 out?

Or is my firewall confused?

wfm

Zash: tcptraceroute will tell you

Looks like

I find our lack of IPv6 ... disturbing

From laptop: Ends in router, as expected. From server: Ends far away with some ISP-named thing.

I guess I'll have to call them and tell them I know why but please open the port

theThedd you agree with #1001, right?

because then I'll just trust the 'long and productive conversation' you two had and vote +1 instead of trying to understand all the side effects

I read the 'long and productive conversation' and I got the impression that it did not end with a conclusion or consensus. It just ended.

I wonder why nobody asked what CommonMark would do :)

One could ask why there were only two participants in that thread

because it's a bad combination of too complex and not interesting

I was following the discussion but didn't disagree with anything Tedd said.

Especially what was said about look-ahead. I started implementing a 393 parser for Swift and gave up in the end. I started thinking it should be trivial, and it wasn't.

how am I not surprised

Zash, for me, it's probably that I would simply re-use CommonMark and exploit its existing ecosystem of libraries

Just bring back XHTML-IM

jonas’: There are many things you could be not surprised about there. That I agree with Tedd, that I misestimated how easy it was, that it wasn't easy, ...

Kev, the fact that it isn’t as trivial as it looks on the outside

I wonder how many people have implemented it successfully. I guess we found that out during LC, but I don't remember.

no, during LC, we found at best out how many people *thought* they implemented it successfully

Well, yes.

I don't remember how many that was either, though :)

The implementation in yaxim is good enough™

Also it's shamelessly stolen from another client. Should have created a pluggable android library.

That was the one part that doesn't depend on the underlying XML stream parser, so could really be its own useful standalone component

ehhh

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TIL

just in time for... Next Council

all pieces of that sentence are strange to me

the one I quoted I mean

jonas’, so you noted otherwise...?

apparently

good thing that i am both chair and editor I guess

*must* *not* *quote* Meredith Brooks

who?

jonas’: https://www.songtexte.com/songtext/meredith-brooks/bitch-1bd8f9a4.html

dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 vote ✏

but I’m not 100% sure -- is this a +1 vote?

jonas’, +0 on 1001 fwiw, haven't worked up the nerve to call and get port 25 unblocked yet

Zash, k

daniel, #1001 is acceptable to me; it's a minor change to clarify the implementation based on an obscure edge case, so it will mostly go unnoticed anyway

jonas’, Dave did vote on stickers, but on council for some reason - https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2020-November/004444.html

ohh right

then it all hinges on Ge0rG ✏

Damn.

Unlimited powah!

Ge0rG already has his voting email written, he's just waiting until the very last minute to send it

because I believe in the MTA working as designed.

just give it 5 minutes to be safe ;)

especially that list MTA

Ge0rG, you know, if you really are done, please go ahead and send it because I want to get the protoxeps merged

because otherwise they’ll lie around for a week

jonas’: I'm really really sorry, but I've been in conferences all day and still am

oh well

apparently Marsey the Cat is a work of art developed by Telegram Messenger LLP. Are we allowed to use their name in our documents?

Ask Legal

won't get an answer until 1900UTC

jonas’: sent the mail, CC to you just in case.

:-O

thank you very much

that was <90s MTA RTT ✏

I still don’t have it

(via standards@)

oh, you CC’d me, so it probably didn’t copy it