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Zash
> Your message could not be delivered for more than 4 hour(s). > It will be retried until it is 5 day(s) old.
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Zash
> <standards@xmpp.org>: connect to atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]:25: No route to host
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Ge0rG
That's quite unfortunate, given tonight's election
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Zash
Ehm
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Zash
Only port 25? Does this ISP block port 25 out?
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Zash
Or is my firewall confused?
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jonas’
wfm
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Ge0rG
Zash: tcptraceroute will tell you
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Zash
Looks like
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Zash
I find our lack of IPv6 ... disturbing
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Zash
From laptop: Ends in router, as expected. From server: Ends far away with some ISP-named thing.
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Zash
I guess I'll have to call them and tell them I know why but please open the port
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daniel
theThedd you agree with #1001, right?
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daniel
because then I'll just trust the 'long and productive conversation' you two had and vote +1 instead of trying to understand all the side effects
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Zash
I read the 'long and productive conversation' and I got the impression that it did not end with a conclusion or consensus. It just ended.
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flow
I wonder why nobody asked what CommonMark would do :)
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Zash
One could ask why there were only two participants in that thread
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daniel
because it's a bad combination of too complex and not interesting
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Kev
I was following the discussion but didn't disagree with anything Tedd said.
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Kev
Especially what was said about look-ahead. I started implementing a 393 parser for Swift and gave up in the end. I started thinking it should be trivial, and it wasn't.
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jonas’
how am I not surprised
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flow
Zash, for me, it's probably that I would simply re-use CommonMark and exploit its existing ecosystem of libraries
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Zash
Just bring back XHTML-IM
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Kev
jonas’: There are many things you could be not surprised about there. That I agree with Tedd, that I misestimated how easy it was, that it wasn't easy, ...
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jonas’
Kev, the fact that it isn’t as trivial as it looks on the outside
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Kev
I wonder how many people have implemented it successfully. I guess we found that out during LC, but I don't remember.
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jonas’
no, during LC, we found at best out how many people *thought* they implemented it successfully
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Kev
Well, yes.
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Kev
I don't remember how many that was either, though :)
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Ge0rG
The implementation in yaxim is good enough™
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Ge0rG
Also it's shamelessly stolen from another client. Should have created a pluggable android library.
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Ge0rG
That was the one part that doesn't depend on the underlying XML stream parser, so could really be its own useful standalone component
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jonas’
ehhh
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jonas’
> Unless noted otherwise by the XMPP Extensions Editor when announcing a Council vote, the voting period shall be ten (10) days.
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jonas’
https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/council-policies-and-procedures
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jonas’
TIL
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Ge0rG
just in time for... Next Council
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jonas’
all pieces of that sentence are strange to me
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jonas’
the one I quoted I mean
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Zash
jonas’, so you noted otherwise...?
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jonas’
apparently
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jonas’
good thing that i am both chair and editor I guess
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Ge0rG
*must* *not* *quote* Meredith Brooks
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jonas’
who?
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Ge0rG
jonas’: https://www.songtexte.com/songtext/meredith-brooks/bitch-1bd8f9a4.html
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jonas’
dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 evote✎ -
jonas’
dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 vote ✏
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jonas’
but I’m not 100% sure -- is this a +1 vote?
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Zash
jonas’, +0 on 1001 fwiw, haven't worked up the nerve to call and get port 25 unblocked yet
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jonas’
Zash, k
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theTedd
daniel, #1001 is acceptable to me; it's a minor change to clarify the implementation based on an obscure edge case, so it will mostly go unnoticed anyway
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theTedd
jonas’, Dave did vote on stickers, but on council for some reason - https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2020-November/004444.html
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jonas’
ohh right
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jonas’
then it all hinges ong✎ -
jonas’
then it all hinges on Ge0rG ✏
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Ge0rG
Damn.
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Zash
Unlimited powah!
- Ge0rG looks at the clock. Still some hours left
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theTedd
Ge0rG already has his voting email written, he's just waiting until the very last minute to send it
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Ge0rG
because I believe in the MTA working as designed.
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theTedd
just give it 5 minutes to be safe ;)
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jonas’
especially that list MTA
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jonas’
Ge0rG, you know, if you really are done, please go ahead and send it because I want to get the protoxeps merged
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jonas’
because otherwise they’ll lie around for a week
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm really really sorry, but I've been in conferences all day and still am
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jonas’
oh well
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Ge0rG
apparently Marsey the Cat is a work of art developed by Telegram Messenger LLP. Are we allowed to use their name in our documents?
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Zash
Ask Legal
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Ge0rG
won't get an answer until 1900UTC
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Ge0rG
jonas’: sent the mail, CC to you just in case.
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jonas’
:-O
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jonas’
thank you very much
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Ge0rG
that was <90 MTA RTT✎ -
Ge0rG
that was <90s MTA RTT ✏
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jonas’
I still don’t have it
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jonas’
(via standards@)
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jonas’
oh, you CC’d me, so it probably didn’t copy it