XMPP Council - 2020-11-24


  1. Zash

    > Your message could not be delivered for more than 4 hour(s). > It will be retried until it is 5 day(s) old.

  2. Zash

    > <standards@xmpp.org>: connect to atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]:25: No route to host

  3. Ge0rG

    That's quite unfortunate, given tonight's election

  4. Zash

    Ehm

  5. Zash

    Only port 25? Does this ISP block port 25 out?

  6. Zash

    Or is my firewall confused?

  7. jonas’

    wfm

  8. Ge0rG

    Zash: tcptraceroute will tell you

  9. Zash

    Looks like

  10. Zash

    I find our lack of IPv6 ... disturbing

  11. Zash

    From laptop: Ends in router, as expected. From server: Ends far away with some ISP-named thing.

  12. Zash

    I guess I'll have to call them and tell them I know why but please open the port

  13. daniel

    theThedd you agree with #1001, right?

  14. daniel

    because then I'll just trust the 'long and productive conversation' you two had and vote +1 instead of trying to understand all the side effects

  15. Zash

    I read the 'long and productive conversation' and I got the impression that it did not end with a conclusion or consensus. It just ended.

  16. flow

    I wonder why nobody asked what CommonMark would do :)

  17. Zash

    One could ask why there were only two participants in that thread

  18. daniel

    because it's a bad combination of too complex and not interesting

  19. Kev

    I was following the discussion but didn't disagree with anything Tedd said.

  20. Kev

    Especially what was said about look-ahead. I started implementing a 393 parser for Swift and gave up in the end. I started thinking it should be trivial, and it wasn't.

  21. jonas’

    how am I not surprised

  22. flow

    Zash, for me, it's probably that I would simply re-use CommonMark and exploit its existing ecosystem of libraries

  23. Zash

    Just bring back XHTML-IM

  24. Kev

    jonas’: There are many things you could be not surprised about there. That I agree with Tedd, that I misestimated how easy it was, that it wasn't easy, ...

  25. jonas’

    Kev, the fact that it isn’t as trivial as it looks on the outside

  26. Kev

    I wonder how many people have implemented it successfully. I guess we found that out during LC, but I don't remember.

  27. jonas’

    no, during LC, we found at best out how many people *thought* they implemented it successfully

  28. Kev

    Well, yes.

  29. Kev

    I don't remember how many that was either, though :)

  30. Ge0rG

    The implementation in yaxim is good enough™

  31. Ge0rG

    Also it's shamelessly stolen from another client. Should have created a pluggable android library.

  32. Ge0rG

    That was the one part that doesn't depend on the underlying XML stream parser, so could really be its own useful standalone component

  33. jonas’

    ehhh

  34. jonas’

    > Unless noted otherwise by the XMPP Extensions Editor when announcing a Council vote, the voting period shall be ten (10) days.

  35. jonas’

    https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/council-policies-and-procedures

  36. jonas’

    TIL

  37. Ge0rG

    just in time for... Next Council

  38. jonas’

    all pieces of that sentence are strange to me

  39. jonas’

    the one I quoted I mean

  40. Zash

    jonas’, so you noted otherwise...?

  41. jonas’

    apparently

  42. jonas’

    good thing that i am both chair and editor I guess

  43. Ge0rG

    *must* *not* *quote* Meredith Brooks

  44. jonas’

    who?

  45. Ge0rG

    jonas’: https://www.songtexte.com/songtext/meredith-brooks/bitch-1bd8f9a4.html

  46. jonas’

    dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 evote

  47. jonas’

    dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 vote

  48. jonas’

    but I’m not 100% sure -- is this a +1 vote?

  49. Zash

    jonas’, +0 on 1001 fwiw, haven't worked up the nerve to call and get port 25 unblocked yet

  50. jonas’

    Zash, k

  51. theTedd

    daniel, #1001 is acceptable to me; it's a minor change to clarify the implementation based on an obscure edge case, so it will mostly go unnoticed anyway

  52. theTedd

    jonas’, Dave did vote on stickers, but on council for some reason - https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2020-November/004444.html

  53. jonas’

    ohh right

  54. jonas’

    then it all hinges ong

  55. jonas’

    then it all hinges on Ge0rG

  56. Ge0rG

    Damn.

  57. Zash

    Unlimited powah!

  58. Ge0rG looks at the clock. Still some hours left

  59. theTedd

    Ge0rG already has his voting email written, he's just waiting until the very last minute to send it

  60. Ge0rG

    because I believe in the MTA working as designed.

  61. theTedd

    just give it 5 minutes to be safe ;)

  62. jonas’

    especially that list MTA

  63. jonas’

    Ge0rG, you know, if you really are done, please go ahead and send it because I want to get the protoxeps merged

  64. jonas’

    because otherwise they’ll lie around for a week

  65. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I'm really really sorry, but I've been in conferences all day and still am

  66. jonas’

    oh well

  67. Ge0rG

    apparently Marsey the Cat is a work of art developed by Telegram Messenger LLP. Are we allowed to use their name in our documents?

  68. Zash

    Ask Legal

  69. Ge0rG

    won't get an answer until 1900UTC

  70. Ge0rG

    jonas’: sent the mail, CC to you just in case.

  71. jonas’

    :-O

  72. jonas’

    thank you very much

  73. Ge0rG

    that was <90 MTA RTT

  74. Ge0rG

    that was <90s MTA RTT

  75. jonas’

    I still don’t have it

  76. jonas’

    (via standards@)

  77. jonas’

    oh, you CC’d me, so it probably didn’t copy it