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Ge0rGThat's quite unfortunate, given tonight's election
ZashEhm
ZashOnly port 25? Does this ISP block port 25 out?
ZashOr is my firewall confused?
jonas’wfm
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Ge0rGZash: tcptraceroute will tell you
ZashLooks like
ZashI find our lack of IPv6 ... disturbing
ZashFrom laptop: Ends in router, as expected.
From server: Ends far away with some ISP-named thing.
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ZashI guess I'll have to call them and tell them I know why but please open the port
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danieltheThedd you agree with #1001, right?
danielbecause then I'll just trust the 'long and productive conversation' you two had and vote +1 instead of trying to understand all the side effects
ZashI read the 'long and productive conversation' and I got the impression that it did not end with a conclusion or consensus. It just ended.
flowI wonder why nobody asked what CommonMark would do :)
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ZashOne could ask why there were only two participants in that thread
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danielbecause it's a bad combination of too complex and not interesting
KevI was following the discussion but didn't disagree with anything Tedd said.
KevEspecially what was said about look-ahead. I started implementing a 393 parser for Swift and gave up in the end. I started thinking it should be trivial, and it wasn't.
jonas’how am I not surprised
flowZash, for me, it's probably that I would simply re-use CommonMark and exploit its existing ecosystem of libraries
ZashJust bring back XHTML-IM
Kevjonas’: There are many things you could be not surprised about there. That I agree with Tedd, that I misestimated how easy it was, that it wasn't easy, ...
jonas’Kev, the fact that it isn’t as trivial as it looks on the outside
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KevI wonder how many people have implemented it successfully. I guess we found that out during LC, but I don't remember.
jonas’no, during LC, we found at best out how many people *thought* they implemented it successfully
KevWell, yes.
KevI don't remember how many that was either, though :)
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Ge0rGThe implementation in yaxim is good enough™
Ge0rGAlso it's shamelessly stolen from another client. Should have created a pluggable android library.
Ge0rGThat was the one part that doesn't depend on the underlying XML stream parser, so could really be its own useful standalone component
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jonas’ehhh
jonas’> Unless noted otherwise by the XMPP Extensions Editor when announcing a Council vote, the voting period shall be ten (10) days.
jonas’dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 evote
jonas’dwd, you sent a mail on Stickers to the mailing list, but in a separate thread and your statement "none of these are blocking though" may be read as a +1 vote
jonas’but I’m not 100% sure -- is this a +1 vote?
Zashjonas’, +0 on 1001 fwiw, haven't worked up the nerve to call and get port 25 unblocked yet
jonas’Zash, k
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theTedddaniel, #1001 is acceptable to me; it's a minor change to clarify the implementation based on an obscure edge case, so it will mostly go unnoticed anyway
theTeddjonas’, Dave did vote on stickers, but on council for some reason - https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2020-November/004444.html
jonas’ohh right
jonas’then it all hinges ong
jonas’then it all hinges on Ge0rG
Ge0rGDamn.
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ZashUnlimited powah!
Ge0rGlooks at the clock. Still some hours left
theTeddGe0rG already has his voting email written, he's just waiting until the very last minute to send it
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Ge0rGbecause I believe in the MTA working as designed.
theTeddjust give it 5 minutes to be safe ;)
jonas’especially that list MTA
jonas’Ge0rG, you know, if you really are done, please go ahead and send it because I want to get the protoxeps merged
jonas’because otherwise they’ll lie around for a week
Ge0rGjonas’: I'm really really sorry, but I've been in conferences all day and still am
jonas’oh well
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Ge0rGapparently Marsey the Cat is a work of art developed by Telegram Messenger LLP. Are we allowed to use their name in our documents?
ZashAsk Legal
Ge0rGwon't get an answer until 1900UTC
Ge0rGjonas’: sent the mail, CC to you just in case.
jonas’:-O
jonas’thank you very much
Ge0rGthat was <90 MTA RTT
Ge0rGthat was <90s MTA RTT
jonas’I still don’t have it
jonas’(via standards@)
jonas’oh, you CC’d me, so it probably didn’t copy it