XMPP Council - 2020-12-02

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  108. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
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  110. Ge0rG OMG What!?
  111. Zash I'm awake
  112. Ge0rG My calendar is lying
  113. jonas’ dwd, daniel
  114. daniel Hi
  115. dwd Hiya
  116. jonas’ wee, full house
  117. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  118. jonas’ anything to add/remove/modify?
  119. jonas’ assuming no
  120. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update * New ProtoXEP: Automatic Trust Management
  121. jonas’ * Also, restart of two LCs which affect Council
  122. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  123. jonas’ Does everyone agree to the working agreement that we will have 14 day voting periods starting at the first meeting where the agendum is discussed?
  124. Zash Worked well enough this past year.
  125. Ge0rG That's not on the Agenda!
  126. jonas’ I’m explicitly asking because there are documents on xmpp.org which say quite otherwise
  127. Zash :O
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  129. Ge0rG I like the 14 day period as it gives you two Council Meetings to catch up. Let's continue it
  130. dwd They loosely say it's when the Editor puts them before Council that the 14 day starts, but I thought we'd fixed that?
  131. jonas’ curiously enough, they state that the XMPP Editor sets the voting period, which is even stranger
  132. jonas’ but ok, it seems everyone is in broad agreement, please let me know until end of meeting if otherwise
  133. jonas’ 4a) PR#1014: XEP-0176: Improve compatibility with WebRTC clients URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1014
  134. daniel On list
  135. daniel I'm honestly not entirely sure about the implications
  136. dwd On list for this, sorry, I need to find some WebRTC expertise.
  137. jonas’ same
  138. jonas’ (on list)
  139. Ge0rG on-list
  140. Zash Uh, looked almost editorial, with only the schema change?
  141. dwd jonas’, [[ Can I flag some AOB, please, before I forget? ]]
  142. jonas’ dwd, yes
  143. jonas’ Zash, I think we should ask the PR author to add some wording to the normative part in order to tie the change down properly if we agree to it
  144. jonas’ Zash, any vote?
  145. Link Mauve Noted, thanks.
  146. Zash on-list I suppose. anyone got WebRTC expertise we can drag into reviewing this? :)
  147. jonas’ Zash, maybe the web client folks
  148. dwd Zash, I'm talking to Fippo now.
  149. jonas’ dwd, excellent
  150. jonas’ moving on, given the time
  151. Ge0rG it'd be great to have webrtc folks feedback on-list
  152. jonas’ 4b) PR#1008: XEP-0047: fix incorrect max sequence number URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1008 Abstract: Previously the text said that the max sequence number was 65535 (max unsigned 16 bit integer), but also said this was (1<<15)-1, which is actually max signed 16 bit integer or 32767.
  153. Zash +1
  154. daniel On list
  155. jonas’ I think this is fair enough, +1
  156. dwd This one I'm +1 on; it's just fixing a typo in a parenthetical remark.
  157. Ge0rG +1
  158. jonas’ 4c) PR#1001: XEP-0393: clarify rules for span directives URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1001 I think Dave missed the deadline last term. If I just overlooked the vote, please let me know.
  159. jonas’ yeah...
  160. jonas’ I am still +0
  161. daniel +1
  162. Zash 0+, again
  163. Ge0rG +1
  164. jonas’ dwd, ?
  165. dwd Erm. I don't recall this one at all before.
  166. jonas’ fun!
  167. jonas’ it was the one I asked you all not to let expire ;D
  168. dwd And I'm not sure I understand it, so I'll go for on-list, sorry.
  169. jonas’ alright
  170. jonas’ 4d) Proposed XMPP Extension: Automatic Trust Management URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/automatic-trust-management.html Abstract: This document specifies a way to automatically manage the trust in public long-term keys used by end-to-end encryption protocols.
  171. jonas’ on-list
  172. dwd I *might* have to write this all out as ABNF in order to understand it.
  173. jonas’ dwd, please do, and then put it in the XEP
  174. Zash dwd, if you do, you get all the +1s
  175. Ge0rG that proto-xep goes in the sad tradition of XEP authors redefining commonly-used acronyms
  176. daniel On list
  177. Ge0rG on-list
  178. jonas’ dwd, ?
  179. jonas’ Zash, too
  180. Zash on-list
  181. dwd Didn't this one come up before?
  182. jonas’ ATM?
  183. jonas’ I don’t think so
  184. dwd Or was it just something very similar?
  185. jonas’ it was newly added to inbox
  186. Zash dwd, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0434.html probably?
  187. Zash this one seems to be mostly policy, while 434 is the wire format
  188. dwd Yeah, I'll go on-list for this.
  189. jonas’ alright
  190. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  191. jonas’ only the new ones \o/
  192. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  193. jonas’ +1w?
  194. dwd +1w.
  195. Ge0rG +1w
  196. jonas’ 7) AOB
  197. jonas’ dwd, the stage is yours
  198. dwd Hooray.
  199. dwd If we can codify our voting policy/system, which seems to have been unchanged for years, I'll write it up in standards-speak and stick it in XEP-0001.
  200. jonas’ sgtm
  201. jonas’ note that much of it is already codified in the bylaws
  202. dwd I'll try to come up with some text for next week, but have a think on how you think we vote first to make sureit aligns.
  203. dwd jonas’, Oh, quite possibly.
  204. jonas’ I read the bylaws closely when I built that council bot a while back, and we have fully adhered to my understanding of those in the last term
  205. jonas’ this is my literal codification of it: https://github.com/horazont/councilbot/blob/master/councilbot/state.py#L268-L319
  206. dwd Yeah, I think XEP-0001 is wrong, here. (Or we are, but we can fix that by changing XEP-0001).
  207. dwd (Me done)
  208. jonas’ alright
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  210. jonas’ anyone else?
  211. Zash nah
  212. jonas’ then...
  213. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  214. jonas’ thanks everyone
  215. Ge0rG thanks!
  216. Zash Thanks
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