XMPP Council - 2020-12-02

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  108. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

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  110. Ge0rG

    OMG What!?

  111. Zash

    I'm awake

  112. Ge0rG

    My calendar is lying

  113. jonas’

    dwd, daniel

  114. daniel


  115. dwd


  116. jonas’

    wee, full house

  117. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  118. jonas’

    anything to add/remove/modify?

  119. jonas’

    assuming no

  120. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update * New ProtoXEP: Automatic Trust Management

  121. jonas’

    * Also, restart of two LCs which affect Council

  122. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  123. jonas’

    Does everyone agree to the working agreement that we will have 14 day voting periods starting at the first meeting where the agendum is discussed?

  124. Zash

    Worked well enough this past year.

  125. Ge0rG

    That's not on the Agenda!

  126. jonas’

    I’m explicitly asking because there are documents on xmpp.org which say quite otherwise

  127. Zash


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  129. Ge0rG

    I like the 14 day period as it gives you two Council Meetings to catch up. Let's continue it

  130. dwd

    They loosely say it's when the Editor puts them before Council that the 14 day starts, but I thought we'd fixed that?

  131. jonas’

    curiously enough, they state that the XMPP Editor sets the voting period, which is even stranger

  132. jonas’

    but ok, it seems everyone is in broad agreement, please let me know until end of meeting if otherwise

  133. jonas’

    4a) PR#1014: XEP-0176: Improve compatibility with WebRTC clients URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1014

  134. daniel

    On list

  135. daniel

    I'm honestly not entirely sure about the implications

  136. dwd

    On list for this, sorry, I need to find some WebRTC expertise.

  137. jonas’


  138. jonas’

    (on list)

  139. Ge0rG


  140. Zash

    Uh, looked almost editorial, with only the schema change?

  141. dwd

    jonas’, [[ Can I flag some AOB, please, before I forget? ]]

  142. jonas’

    dwd, yes

  143. jonas’

    Zash, I think we should ask the PR author to add some wording to the normative part in order to tie the change down properly if we agree to it

  144. jonas’

    Zash, any vote?

  145. Link Mauve

    Noted, thanks.

  146. Zash

    on-list I suppose. anyone got WebRTC expertise we can drag into reviewing this? :)

  147. jonas’

    Zash, maybe the web client folks

  148. dwd

    Zash, I'm talking to Fippo now.

  149. jonas’

    dwd, excellent

  150. jonas’

    moving on, given the time

  151. Ge0rG

    it'd be great to have webrtc folks feedback on-list

  152. jonas’

    4b) PR#1008: XEP-0047: fix incorrect max sequence number URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1008 Abstract: Previously the text said that the max sequence number was 65535 (max unsigned 16 bit integer), but also said this was (1<<15)-1, which is actually max signed 16 bit integer or 32767.

  153. Zash


  154. daniel

    On list

  155. jonas’

    I think this is fair enough, +1

  156. dwd

    This one I'm +1 on; it's just fixing a typo in a parenthetical remark.

  157. Ge0rG


  158. jonas’

    4c) PR#1001: XEP-0393: clarify rules for span directives URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1001 I think Dave missed the deadline last term. If I just overlooked the vote, please let me know.

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  160. jonas’

    I am still +0

  161. daniel


  162. Zash

    0+, again

  163. Ge0rG


  164. jonas’

    dwd, ?

  165. dwd

    Erm. I don't recall this one at all before.

  166. jonas’


  167. jonas’

    it was the one I asked you all not to let expire ;D

  168. dwd

    And I'm not sure I understand it, so I'll go for on-list, sorry.

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  170. jonas’

    4d) Proposed XMPP Extension: Automatic Trust Management URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/automatic-trust-management.html Abstract: This document specifies a way to automatically manage the trust in public long-term keys used by end-to-end encryption protocols.

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  172. dwd

    I *might* have to write this all out as ABNF in order to understand it.

  173. jonas’

    dwd, please do, and then put it in the XEP

  174. Zash

    dwd, if you do, you get all the +1s

  175. Ge0rG

    that proto-xep goes in the sad tradition of XEP authors redefining commonly-used acronyms

  176. daniel

    On list

  177. Ge0rG


  178. jonas’

    dwd, ?

  179. jonas’

    Zash, too

  180. Zash


  181. dwd

    Didn't this one come up before?

  182. jonas’


  183. jonas’

    I don’t think so

  184. dwd

    Or was it just something very similar?

  185. jonas’

    it was newly added to inbox

  186. Zash

    dwd, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0434.html probably?

  187. Zash

    this one seems to be mostly policy, while 434 is the wire format

  188. dwd

    Yeah, I'll go on-list for this.

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  190. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  191. jonas’

    only the new ones \o/

  192. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

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  194. dwd


  195. Ge0rG


  196. jonas’

    7) AOB

  197. jonas’

    dwd, the stage is yours

  198. dwd


  199. dwd

    If we can codify our voting policy/system, which seems to have been unchanged for years, I'll write it up in standards-speak and stick it in XEP-0001.

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  201. jonas’

    note that much of it is already codified in the bylaws

  202. dwd

    I'll try to come up with some text for next week, but have a think on how you think we vote first to make sureit aligns.

  203. dwd

    jonas’, Oh, quite possibly.

  204. jonas’

    I read the bylaws closely when I built that council bot a while back, and we have fully adhered to my understanding of those in the last term

  205. jonas’

    this is my literal codification of it: https://github.com/horazont/councilbot/blob/master/councilbot/state.py#L268-L319

  206. dwd

    Yeah, I think XEP-0001 is wrong, here. (Or we are, but we can fix that by changing XEP-0001).

  207. dwd

    (Me done)

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  210. jonas’

    anyone else?

  211. Zash


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  213. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  214. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  215. Ge0rG


  216. Zash


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