XMPP Council - 2020-12-09

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15:41:50 Zash Where's the Spreadsheet of Doom these days?
15:43:38 jonas’ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KyQCSGAsP-nHmH1X_EQOO-MfMzqSMxgBYGRlloAhxxY
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15:45:45 jonas’ Zash, ^
15:46:02 Zash Thanks
15:47:22 Zash > The document has moved <A HREF="https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=wise&amp... Didn't work
15:48:53 Zash Trying to get csv out
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15:53:22 dwd I needed to ask for access - you might want to turn link sharing on.
15:56:22 Ge0rG Yes.
15:59:52 daniel I'm going to be two minutes late
16:00:38 jonas’ 1) Roll Call
16:01:18 dwd Bacon please.
16:01:32 jonas’ sorry, no bacon here
16:01:49 dwd Does not compute.
16:02:01 Zash Here
16:02:07 Kev You have bacon. You eat bacon. You have no more bacon. This is the way of things.
16:02:26 Ge0rG my wifi has something about bacon frames.
16:02:42 jonas’ quorum!
16:02:44 jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
16:02:47 jonas’ anything?
16:02:51 Ge0rG I liked it
16:03:55 jonas’ cool
16:04:01 daniel I'm here. Sorry
16:04:03 jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update * New ProtoXEP: Stanza Multiplexing
16:04:07 jonas’ 4) Items for voting
16:04:11 jonas’ 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Stanza Multiplexing URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mux.html Abstract: This spec provides a mechanism for multiplexing multiple virtual hosts over a single XMPP session.
16:04:26 Zash on-list
16:04:50 daniel on list
16:05:00 Ge0rG I liked MUX, but I'm sure that the Montagues and the Capulets won't ever co-host on the same server.
16:05:00 jonas’ on list
16:05:12 jonas’ Ge0rG, it’s all in the cloud nowadays
16:05:18 jonas’ (is that a +1?)
16:05:23 Ge0rG Also the IQ is missing an ID of the domain to be authenticated
16:05:24 Ge0rG +1
16:05:31 dwd I think there's a ton of stuff that needs fixing here, but nothing preventing us taking it onto Experimental, so +1.
16:05:41 Ge0rG so if you have multiple parallel MUXes going on, the IQs will be racy.
16:06:00 jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
16:06:04 jonas’ there are a lot
16:06:13 jonas’ I didn’t get around to catch up on voting this week, so no news from me
16:06:19 jonas’ anyone wants to cast votes?
16:06:52 dwd The Jingle change has been updated, and I am now +1.
16:06:53 Zash Haven't had a chance to look closer at my pending items yet.
16:07:18 Ge0rG +1 on ATM
16:07:55 daniel +1 on ATM (even though I'm personally not the biggest fan)
16:08:01 daniel +1 on the jingle PR
16:08:20 jonas’ anyone else?
16:08:27 Ge0rG re PR #1014 I'm essentially waiting for a list discussion by WebRTC greybeards
16:08:28 dwd Well, I won't veto ATM. +0 I suppose.
16:08:38 Ge0rG somebody promised to bring it up
16:08:45 jonas’ not me, I hope?
16:08:57 Ge0rG I'm not a fan of ATM either, but I'm also not a fan of OMEMO, so this cancels out
16:10:02 dwd Ge0rG, 1014 has been updated with a conversation on the PR.
16:10:06 daniel i don’t think that atm will solve the problems that are in OMEMO
16:10:16 daniel but i'm ready to be proven wrong
16:10:30 Ge0rG it will solve a part of the biggest usability problem.
16:10:39 daniel it will be implemented regardless (there is funding) as i understand it. so it's good to have it under xsf ip
16:11:22 daniel Ge0rG, i'm not convinced it will. and/or that there arent other solutions that are easier to implement
16:11:36 daniel but this is getting off topic probably
16:11:41 jonas’ right
16:11:50 jonas’ moving on
16:11:53 jonas’ 6) Date of Next
16:11:55 jonas’ +1w wfm
16:12:02 daniel +1w wfm
16:12:07 Zash +1w wfm
16:12:12 dwd Same here.
16:12:19 jonas’ note that I’m probably not going to be around the week thereafter (2020-12-23) and maybe also not the week after that (2020-12-30)
16:12:21 Ge0rG +1w wfm
16:12:41 jonas’ 7) AOB
16:12:44 dwd jonas’, Probably true in both cases for me.
16:12:53 jonas’ I expected as much
16:12:55 daniel i'm going to be around (where else am i supposed to go with the pandemic and all). but i'll welcome the time off
16:13:15 Zash Note: I'm a bit email-handicaped atm, might have to relay votes via XMPP or someone IPv6-capable.
16:13:23 dwd I've not looked at XEP-0001 and Counil voting yet.
16:13:35 Link Mauve Ge0rG, re #1014, I updated it to do only the changes that were already part of the RFC.
16:13:36 dwd (Which I had promised to do).
16:13:43 Zash (Actually: The XSF mailing list is IPv6-hadicapped)
16:13:48 Link Mauve And fippo agreed.
16:14:15 jonas’ dwd, noted, thanks
16:14:34 jonas’ Zash, can you send me a message I can send to iteam@ for someone to look at?
16:14:36 jonas’ re the IPv6 issue
16:14:43 dwd I'd also like to say how grateful I am that in the spirit of inclusionalism, we seem to have some kind of great ape interjecting in the ATM proposal with "Oook" every now and then.
16:15:22 jonas’ hah
16:15:25 jonas’ any other AOB?
16:16:32 Ge0rG dwd: you shouldn't call the Librarian an ape.
16:16:41 jonas’ alright
16:16:47 jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
16:16:48 jonas’ thanks everyone
16:17:02 dwd Thanks jonas’
16:17:12 jonas’ Ge0rG, I refer you to the headers of any of my recent emails in that regard
16:17:15 Zash Thanks all
16:18:00 Ge0rG jonas’: I used to have those on my webserver a loooong time ago.
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16:18:19 jonas’ it’s not that long that this specific message made sense
16:19:21 jonas’ Ge0rG, in that regard, I’ll also refer you to `curl -I https://search.jabber.network`
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16:19:34 Ge0rG jonas’: keep up the spirit!
16:19:54 Ge0rG and five years are an eternity in IT terms
16:39:47 Zash ITerms
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17:27:21 jonas’ Ge0rG, FIVE YEARS??
17:27:36 jonas’ holy smokes
17:27:49 Ge0rG March 2015. I was on vacation and almost missed it.
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17:28:32 Zash What's that, 15 years in 2020 time?
17:29:22 jonas’ Zash, that sounds about right
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