XMPP Council - 2020-12-09

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  45. Zash

    Where's the Spreadsheet of Doom these days?

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  48. jonas’

    Zash, ^

  49. Zash


  50. Zash

    > The document has moved <A HREF="https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=wise&amp... Didn't work

  51. Zash

    Trying to get csv out

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  53. dwd

    I needed to ask for access - you might want to turn link sharing on.

  54. Ge0rG


  55. daniel

    I'm going to be two minutes late

  56. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  57. dwd

    Bacon please.

  58. jonas’

    sorry, no bacon here

  59. dwd

    Does not compute.

  60. Zash


  61. Kev

    You have bacon. You eat bacon. You have no more bacon. This is the way of things.

  62. Ge0rG

    my wifi has something about bacon frames.

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  64. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  65. jonas’


  66. Ge0rG

    I liked it

  67. jonas’


  68. daniel

    I'm here. Sorry

  69. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update * New ProtoXEP: Stanza Multiplexing

  70. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  71. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Stanza Multiplexing URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mux.html Abstract: This spec provides a mechanism for multiplexing multiple virtual hosts over a single XMPP session.

  72. Zash


  73. daniel

    on list

  74. Ge0rG

    I liked MUX, but I'm sure that the Montagues and the Capulets won't ever co-host on the same server.

  75. jonas’

    on list

  76. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it’s all in the cloud nowadays

  77. jonas’

    (is that a +1?)

  78. Ge0rG

    Also the IQ is missing an ID of the domain to be authenticated

  79. Ge0rG


  80. dwd

    I think there's a ton of stuff that needs fixing here, but nothing preventing us taking it onto Experimental, so +1.

  81. Ge0rG

    so if you have multiple parallel MUXes going on, the IQs will be racy.

  82. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  83. jonas’

    there are a lot

  84. jonas’

    I didn’t get around to catch up on voting this week, so no news from me

  85. jonas’

    anyone wants to cast votes?

  86. dwd

    The Jingle change has been updated, and I am now +1.

  87. Zash

    Haven't had a chance to look closer at my pending items yet.

  88. Ge0rG

    +1 on ATM

  89. daniel

    +1 on ATM (even though I'm personally not the biggest fan)

  90. daniel

    +1 on the jingle PR

  91. jonas’

    anyone else?

  92. Ge0rG

    re PR #1014 I'm essentially waiting for a list discussion by WebRTC greybeards

  93. dwd

    Well, I won't veto ATM. +0 I suppose.

  94. Ge0rG

    somebody promised to bring it up

  95. jonas’

    not me, I hope?

  96. Ge0rG

    I'm not a fan of ATM either, but I'm also not a fan of OMEMO, so this cancels out

  97. dwd

    Ge0rG, 1014 has been updated with a conversation on the PR.

  98. daniel

    i don’t think that atm will solve the problems that are in OMEMO

  99. daniel

    but i'm ready to be proven wrong

  100. Ge0rG

    it will solve a part of the biggest usability problem.

  101. daniel

    it will be implemented regardless (there is funding) as i understand it. so it's good to have it under xsf ip

  102. daniel

    Ge0rG, i'm not convinced it will. and/or that there arent other solutions that are easier to implement

  103. daniel

    but this is getting off topic probably

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  105. jonas’

    moving on

  106. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  107. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  108. daniel

    +1w wfm

  109. Zash

    +1w wfm

  110. dwd

    Same here.

  111. jonas’

    note that I’m probably not going to be around the week thereafter (2020-12-23) and maybe also not the week after that (2020-12-30)

  112. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  113. jonas’

    7) AOB

  114. dwd

    jonas’, Probably true in both cases for me.

  115. jonas’

    I expected as much

  116. daniel

    i'm going to be around (where else am i supposed to go with the pandemic and all). but i'll welcome the time off

  117. Zash

    Note: I'm a bit email-handicaped atm, might have to relay votes via XMPP or someone IPv6-capable.

  118. dwd

    I've not looked at XEP-0001 and Counil voting yet.

  119. Link Mauve

    Ge0rG, re #1014, I updated it to do only the changes that were already part of the RFC.

  120. dwd

    (Which I had promised to do).

  121. Zash

    (Actually: The XSF mailing list is IPv6-hadicapped)

  122. Link Mauve

    And fippo agreed.

  123. jonas’

    dwd, noted, thanks

  124. jonas’

    Zash, can you send me a message I can send to iteam@ for someone to look at?

  125. jonas’

    re the IPv6 issue

  126. dwd

    I'd also like to say how grateful I am that in the spirit of inclusionalism, we seem to have some kind of great ape interjecting in the ATM proposal with "Oook" every now and then.

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  128. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  129. Ge0rG

    dwd: you shouldn't call the Librarian an ape.

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  131. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  132. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  133. dwd

    Thanks jonas’

  134. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I refer you to the headers of any of my recent emails in that regard

  135. Zash

    Thanks all

  136. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I used to have those on my webserver a loooong time ago.

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  138. jonas’

    it’s not that long that this specific message made sense

  139. jonas’

    Ge0rG, in that regard, I’ll also refer you to `curl -I https://search.jabber.network`

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  141. Ge0rG

    jonas’: keep up the spirit!

  142. Ge0rG

    and five years are an eternity in IT terms

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  145. jonas’

    Ge0rG, FIVE YEARS??

  146. jonas’

    holy smokes

  147. Ge0rG

    March 2015. I was on vacation and almost missed it.

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  149. Zash

    What's that, 15 years in 2020 time?

  150. jonas’

    Zash, that sounds about right

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