XMPP Council - 2021-01-13

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  14. jonas’ theadmiralty, explain your amusement please
  15. theadmiralty jonas’: the portion regarding zash and ipv6
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  50. Ge0rG Looks like I'll be late to the party. I'm having fun yelling at incompetent consultants.
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  52. mdosch > theadmiralty, explain your amusement please The Tedd style of writing boring facts down in an amusing way probably. 😃
  53. Zash Strategic brewing of coffee successful
  54. Ge0rG Coffee overflow.
  55. mdosch > Coffee overflow. Terrible. Get bigger coffee cups?
  56. mdosch > Coffee overflow. Terrible. Get bigger coffee cups!
  57. Ge0rG mdosch: I have a 370ml cup already. The overflow happens in my body
  58. Ge0rG Wow, the call ended just on time for the Council, only 27 minutes overtime.
  59. Zash 3 minutes of rest!
  60. jonas’ similar here
  61. jonas’ also fun: I still need to write emails
  62. jonas’ I’m going to be distracted, I’m sorry for that
  63. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  64. daniel Hi
  65. Zash Hello
  66. jonas’ yay
  67. dwd Hiya
  68. Ge0rG is in a post-conference-call phone-call
  69. jonas’ explaining to a customer how the internet works and that we cannot inform them every time when they won’t be able to reach our site because some transit network fubar’d
  70. jonas’ *ahem*
  71. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  72. jonas’ any notes?
  73. dwd C sharp.
  74. jonas’ (this time with correct date!)
  75. Zash What Tedd pointed out earlier
  76. jonas’ yep, that
  77. jonas’ thanks
  78. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update
  79. jonas’ - Proposed XMPP Extensions: - DOAP usage in XMPP - OMEMO Media Sharing
  80. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  81. Ge0rG I started reading the agenda multiple times, but then got distracted over and over again. Sorry.
  82. jonas’ 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: DOAP usage in XMPP URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/doap-usage-in-xmpp.html Abstract: This specification defines how XMPP projects can provide a machine-readable description of their abilities, and how external entities can interact with it.
  83. jonas’ I am on list, I did not have a minute of non-work time today yet.
  84. Zash Also on-list
  85. Ge0rG +1
  86. daniel are XEPs the right format to specify something that isn’t an extension?
  87. daniel i mean as a spec the document looks fine
  88. jonas’ daniel, if it defines how XEPs are to be used or referenced to, I think it’s borderline OK
  89. dwd I hadn't seen the submission. Not sure what track this should be. Happy for it to be a XEP, though - perhaps even Procedural?
  90. Zash Informational, not Standards Track, so I think that's fine
  91. Zash dwd, hmm
  92. jonas’ I’d suggest informational, it’s not a procedure of the XSF or the Council
  93. Zash or is it, if it touches on management of the website?
  94. dwd I'll got for "on-list" as far as a vote is concerned, but I'm heavily leaning toward +1.
  95. daniel +1
  96. jonas’ Zash, it doesn’t seem to
  97. dwd Zash, I can see arguments for it being STandards Track, as it's trying to define an interoperable wire format for the community.
  98. jonas’ depends on which wires, I suppose
  99. jonas’ but true, the typical Last Call / CFE questions would apply to this one
  100. jonas’ I suggest we bring that question up to the list
  101. Ge0rG I don't have a strong opinion either way
  102. Ge0rG However, with Standards Track, I'll start pondering about namespace versioning the schema.org schema
  103. jonas’ (sent the ProtoXEP mail just now, forgot that yesterday, so we have a thread to go on)
  104. jonas’ moving on
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  106. jonas’ 4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: OMEMO Media Sharing URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/omemo-media-sharing.html Abstract: An informal way of sharing media files despite limitations in the OMEMO encryption Note: We had this one as Standards Track in the past, but it was resubmitted as Historical.
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  108. jonas’ the first fun question is whether Link Mauve got the IPR agreement from daniel to resubmit his work under a different Track
  109. Ge0rG What happened to the "this one as Standards Track in the past" document?
  110. jonas’ rejected by council
  111. jonas’ because evilness
  112. daniel didnt council back then decided that moving it to a different track isn’t enough?
  113. daniel because i vaguely remember offering to do this but it was rejected
  114. jonas’ 2018-05-30
  115. daniel so if we now +1 we overrule previous council decisions
  116. Ge0rG so technically it was submitted as Standards Track, but never landed there?
  117. jonas’ no, not 2018-05-30
  118. jonas’ still finding it
  119. Ge0rG on-list, I'll wait for the XEP-0001 taskforce to decide what our legitimate options are.
  120. Zash same, on-list
  121. jonas’ 2018-06-06
  122. daniel can we at least fix the example before publishing it
  123. daniel on list too
  124. jonas’ https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-June/035135.html
  125. jonas’ finally, there you go. I think the gist is historical would be ok ("although not fond of")
  126. jonas’ any other votes?
  127. dwd So, Informational was rejected but Historical was not.
  128. jonas’ I am +1
  129. jonas’ (with any editorial fixes needed)
  130. jonas’ better to have it documented than not
  131. jonas’ dwd, do you want to vote?
  132. dwd I think we need to figure out what to do with the URL scheme. It feels like treading on another SDO's territory.
  133. jonas’ I think the document is rather clear on that
  134. Ge0rG I don't think there are any ambitions do establish that as a generic URL scheme
  135. dwd Right, but technically it would still need registering nonetheless.
  136. dwd OK, I'm on-list.
  137. Ge0rG dwd: I don't think so.
  138. dwd But I'll muse over this on-list instead of just being silent.
  139. daniel jonas’, what would be the best way to fix the examples?
  140. jonas’ daniel, send me a diff?
  141. jonas’ either as PR or mail or whatever works for you
  142. dwd daniel, FWIW, I'm perfectly happy to accept with broken examples and fix them.
  143. Ge0rG dwd: IMO, defining a non-standard URL scheme for the use in a specific, strictly defined context is fair game
  144. jonas’ I can incorporate (rebase/am) it to the released or the protoxep version, whichever works for me
  145. daniel oh right. i can just PR the inbox
  146. jonas’ We should all read https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7595
  147. daniel i was briefly confused.never mind
  148. jonas’ I am running out of time a little today, so I’ll push forward, sorry for that
  149. jonas’ 4c) Cancelled, thanks theTedd
  150. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  151. jonas’ a bunch of votes are pending on the MUC Mention Notifications ProtoXEP
  152. jonas’ does anyone want to cast votes here?
  153. jonas’ (it expires next week)
  154. Ge0rG Sorry.
  155. dwd I think I plus-oned that already.
  156. jonas’ dwd, that is correct :)
  157. jonas’ I assume noone wants to cast further votes here, moving on
  158. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  159. jonas’ +1w wfm
  160. Zash +1w wfm
  161. daniel +1w wfm
  162. dwd +1wwfm
  163. Ge0rG +1w wfm
  164. jonas’ excellent
  165. jonas’ 7) AOB
  166. jonas’ any?
  167. dwd daniel, did you formally give permission to resubmit that OMEMO one?
  168. daniel no
  169. dwd daniel, OK, so unless and until you do that, we can't accept it anyway.
  170. daniel how would i do that?
  171. Ge0rG dwd: isn't IPR permission explicitly required when submitting a ProtoXEP?
  172. Ge0rG so even when the ProtoXEP is rejected, the permission remains?
  173. dwd Ge0rG, Yes, but we'll have asked Link Mauve, as I understand things, rather than daniel.
  174. jonas’ no, it is "upon acceptance", Ge0rG
  175. dwd Ge0rG, Ah, no. If we don't accept it, I assume that permission expires.
  176. Ge0rG Ah, thanks
  177. dwd Ge0rG, Or at least, I don't think it's safe to assume otherwise.
  178. jonas’ dwd, formally, Link Mauve is liable here because they accepted the XSF IPR when reproposing ;)
  179. dwd jonas’, True.
  180. jonas’ though we are now acutely aware that there is a problem
  181. jonas’ daniel, I think it’d be good and sufficient if you stated on-list that you are OK with resubmission in the protoxep thread.
  182. dwd daniel, To give permission, I assume just a message here or an email would be enough.
  183. daniel yes i'm fine with resubmitting it
  184. dwd daniel, Replying to the submission email would probably be most sensible. Assuming of course that you want to give permission.
  185. jonas’ daniel, thank you very much :)
  186. dwd Note for Tedd: Please make sure that's minuted.
  187. jonas’ any other AOB?
  188. daniel none here
  189. Zash I got nothing
  190. jonas’ thanks
  191. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  192. daniel Thanks jonas’. Thanks everyone
  193. jonas’ gotta run, see you later
  194. Zash Thanks all
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  197. Link Mauve daniel, do you accept me resubmitting your ProtoXEP under a different track?
  198. daniel i do. and that's already on the record
  199. Link Mauve Oh sorry.
  200. Link Mauve Perfect then. :)
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