XMPP Council - 2021-01-20

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  123. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  124. Ge0rG

    Good morning everybody!

  125. Zash


  126. jonas’

    ITYM have a nice the-internet-is-on-fire day

  127. Ge0rG

    I haven't noticed any of that yet

  128. Ge0rG

    All my phone conferences went well and I didn't have a yax.im meltdown

  129. jonas’


  130. jonas’

    anyway, do we get a daniel or a dwd?

  131. daniel


  132. dwd

    Hey. Hiya.

  133. jonas’


  134. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  135. jonas’


  136. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I'm sure the dnsmasq thing will result in a large amount of DDoS and some clownflare self-promotion later down the stream

  137. Ge0rG


  138. Ge0rG

    It's a good agenda

  139. jonas’

    assuming nothing

  140. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update - Proposed XMPP Extensions: - Service Outage Status - New XEPs: - XEP-0451 (Stanza Multiplexing)

  141. jonas’

    (yeah, I forgot to send out the emails, they’re there now)

  142. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  143. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Service Outage Status URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/service-outage-status.html Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension that enables a server to communicate issues with the server to all users in a semantic manner.

  144. Ge0rG


  145. jonas’

    +1, I’ll send a few notes to the list

  146. daniel

    on list

  147. Ge0rG

    No idea about the PubSub parts though.

  148. dwd

    on-list, sorry, been silly busy this week.

  149. Zash

    on list

  150. jonas’


  151. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  152. Ge0rG

    > This information MUST be scoped using a FORM_TYPE of "urn:xmpp:tmp:sos" I'm not sure if that text in §2 mandates actually implementing that feature

  153. jonas’

    I am +1 on MUC Mention Notifications, +1 on DOAP usage in XMPP and +1 on OMEMO Media Sharing (but that I already said last week)

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  155. Ge0rG

    Was there any news from the Council Process Taskforce regarding submitting a Historical XEP?

  156. dwd

    I think people agreed Historical sounded sensible, didn't they?

  157. jonas’

    other pending votes: - Ge0rG on MUC mention notifications (expiring today) - dwd and Zash on DOAP usage in XMPP (unless I missed anything in that huge thread, expiring next week) - dwd, Ge0rG, Zash on OMEMO Media Sharing (expiring next week)

  158. Ge0rG

    jonas’: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-January/038087.html

  159. jonas’

    Ge0rG, nobody objects Historical

  160. jonas’

    Ge0rG, thanks!

  161. Ge0rG

    And the IPR issue was resolved on record, I presume

  162. Ge0rG

    +1 for https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/omemo-media-sharing.html then

  163. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it was

  164. jonas’

    well done, Ge0rG is now pending-vote-free

  165. Ge0rG


  166. jonas’ hands Ge0rG one of those 🏅

  167. dwd

    So, I'm +1 for the OMEMO sharing one.

  168. jonas’

    dwd, recorded, thanks

  169. dwd

    I'm +1 for the DOAP one, but I note that I think we should tidy it up a bit, change the namespace used to an XSF one, and suchlike. I mean, I wouldn't want people charging off and doing this "as-is" quite yet.

  170. jonas’

    Ge0rG, FWIW, reading your email, I think all what you outline is exactly what Experimental should be for, IMO.

  171. Zash

    dwd, too late!

  172. jonas’

    Link Mauve, cc what dwd wrote above

  173. jonas’

    dwd, thanks

  174. Link Mauve

    Ta. :)

  175. dwd

    I'm not sure I understood the implications of the SupportedXep XML blob within RDF, but then, I'm no RDF expert anyway.

  176. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I am aware of that, but my suggestions are essentially "use a very small subset of this to implement a different use-case"

  177. Zash

    RDF being RDF

  178. dwd

    Zash, Well I assume experimental usage is experimental, so...

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  180. Ge0rG

    jonas’: maybe I don't get the use-case of the submission and it's doing what it was supposed to do in the form it was submitted

  181. jonas’

    Ge0rG, maybe

  182. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I personally think that this will see a lot of work to refine it, which is OK IMO

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  184. jonas’

    Zash, any votes from you in this meeting?

  185. Ge0rG

    jonas’: well yes; I'm not blocking it, I'm merely sticking a finger into the air and waving energetically

  186. jonas’

    Ge0rG, that’s right

  187. Zash

    jonas’: No.

  188. jonas’

    Zash, thanks

  189. jonas’

    moving on then

  190. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  191. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  192. daniel

    +1w wfm

  193. Zash

    +1w wfm

  194. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  195. jonas’

    that’s a quorum.

  196. jonas’

    7) AOB

  197. Zash

    None from me.

  198. jonas’

    I got nothing, does anyone else have anything?

  199. dwd


  200. jonas’

    see noone sending out typing notifcations, assuming nothing else

  201. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  202. jonas’

    thanks everyone, stay alive and sane

  203. Ge0rG

    thanks and good night

  204. Zash


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