XMPP Council - 2021-01-20

  1. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  2. Ge0rG

    Good morning everybody!

  3. Zash


  4. jonas’

    ITYM have a nice the-internet-is-on-fire day

  5. Ge0rG

    I haven't noticed any of that yet

  6. Ge0rG

    All my phone conferences went well and I didn't have a yax.im meltdown

  7. jonas’


  8. jonas’

    anyway, do we get a daniel or a dwd?

  9. daniel


  10. dwd

    Hey. Hiya.

  11. jonas’


  12. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  13. jonas’


  14. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I'm sure the dnsmasq thing will result in a large amount of DDoS and some clownflare self-promotion later down the stream

  15. Ge0rG


  16. Ge0rG

    It's a good agenda

  17. jonas’

    assuming nothing

  18. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update - Proposed XMPP Extensions: - Service Outage Status - New XEPs: - XEP-0451 (Stanza Multiplexing)

  19. jonas’

    (yeah, I forgot to send out the emails, they’re there now)

  20. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  21. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Service Outage Status URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/service-outage-status.html Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension that enables a server to communicate issues with the server to all users in a semantic manner.

  22. Ge0rG


  23. jonas’

    +1, I’ll send a few notes to the list

  24. daniel

    on list

  25. Ge0rG

    No idea about the PubSub parts though.

  26. dwd

    on-list, sorry, been silly busy this week.

  27. Zash

    on list

  28. jonas’


  29. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  30. Ge0rG

    > This information MUST be scoped using a FORM_TYPE of "urn:xmpp:tmp:sos" I'm not sure if that text in §2 mandates actually implementing that feature

  31. jonas’

    I am +1 on MUC Mention Notifications, +1 on DOAP usage in XMPP and +1 on OMEMO Media Sharing (but that I already said last week)

  32. Ge0rG

    Was there any news from the Council Process Taskforce regarding submitting a Historical XEP?

  33. dwd

    I think people agreed Historical sounded sensible, didn't they?

  34. jonas’

    other pending votes: - Ge0rG on MUC mention notifications (expiring today) - dwd and Zash on DOAP usage in XMPP (unless I missed anything in that huge thread, expiring next week) - dwd, Ge0rG, Zash on OMEMO Media Sharing (expiring next week)

  35. Ge0rG

    jonas’: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-January/038087.html

  36. jonas’

    Ge0rG, nobody objects Historical

  37. jonas’

    Ge0rG, thanks!

  38. Ge0rG

    And the IPR issue was resolved on record, I presume

  39. Ge0rG

    +1 for https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/omemo-media-sharing.html then

  40. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it was

  41. jonas’

    well done, Ge0rG is now pending-vote-free

  42. Ge0rG


  43. jonas’ hands Ge0rG one of those 🏅

  44. dwd

    So, I'm +1 for the OMEMO sharing one.

  45. jonas’

    dwd, recorded, thanks

  46. dwd

    I'm +1 for the DOAP one, but I note that I think we should tidy it up a bit, change the namespace used to an XSF one, and suchlike. I mean, I wouldn't want people charging off and doing this "as-is" quite yet.

  47. jonas’

    Ge0rG, FWIW, reading your email, I think all what you outline is exactly what Experimental should be for, IMO.

  48. Zash

    dwd, too late!

  49. jonas’

    Link Mauve, cc what dwd wrote above

  50. jonas’

    dwd, thanks

  51. Link Mauve

    Ta. :)

  52. dwd

    I'm not sure I understood the implications of the SupportedXep XML blob within RDF, but then, I'm no RDF expert anyway.

  53. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I am aware of that, but my suggestions are essentially "use a very small subset of this to implement a different use-case"

  54. Zash

    RDF being RDF

  55. dwd

    Zash, Well I assume experimental usage is experimental, so...

  56. Ge0rG

    jonas’: maybe I don't get the use-case of the submission and it's doing what it was supposed to do in the form it was submitted

  57. jonas’

    Ge0rG, maybe

  58. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I personally think that this will see a lot of work to refine it, which is OK IMO

  59. jonas’

    Zash, any votes from you in this meeting?

  60. Ge0rG

    jonas’: well yes; I'm not blocking it, I'm merely sticking a finger into the air and waving energetically

  61. jonas’

    Ge0rG, that’s right

  62. Zash

    jonas’: No.

  63. jonas’

    Zash, thanks

  64. jonas’

    moving on then

  65. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  66. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  67. daniel

    +1w wfm

  68. Zash

    +1w wfm

  69. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  70. jonas’

    that’s a quorum.

  71. jonas’

    7) AOB

  72. Zash

    None from me.

  73. jonas’

    I got nothing, does anyone else have anything?

  74. dwd


  75. jonas’

    see noone sending out typing notifcations, assuming nothing else

  76. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  77. jonas’

    thanks everyone, stay alive and sane

  78. Ge0rG

    thanks and good night

  79. Zash