XMPP Council - 2021-01-27

  1. Ge0rG

    I'm still in a video conf

  2. jonas’


  3. Ge0rG

    It's 30min over schedule, and it will go on for some more time

  4. Zash

    Fun 😕

  5. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  6. jonas’ chairing with Dino for the first time

  7. daniel


  8. Zash

    Here (also with Dino, if that matters)

  9. dwd

    Here (with Gajim)

  10. jonas’


  11. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  12. jonas’


  13. jonas’

    moving on

  14. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update - Proposed XMPP Extensions: - XEP-0452 (MUC Mention Notifications) - XEP-0453 (DOAP Usage in XMPP) - XEP-0454 (OMEMO Media Sharing)

  15. jonas’

    (I’ll now also stop being distracted by that other channel)

  16. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  17. jonas’


  18. jonas’

    5) Pending votes

  19. jonas’

    dwd and daniel are pending on the Service Outage status

  20. jonas’

    (expiring next week)

  21. dwd

    I'll get to those after this, I don't have a vote currently.

  22. jonas’

    ok, thanks

  23. jonas’


  24. daniel

    still on list

  25. jonas’

    ok, thanks

  26. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  27. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  28. Zash

    +1w wfm

  29. daniel


  30. jonas’

    that’s a quorum :)

  31. jonas’

    7) AOB

  32. jonas’

    I’ve got one

  33. Zash


  34. jonas’

    are there any initiatives in the community to implement interoperable A/V group calls you know of?

  35. daniel


  36. daniel

    Dino's got funding for that

  37. jonas’

    I have heard about the dino folks planning something (<https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/>), but no details and I also saw this: https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/

  38. dwd

    There have been loads in the past.

  39. jonas’

    I have heard about the dino folks planning something (<https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/>), but no details and I also saw this: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/6235#issuecomment-616721373

  40. daniel

    if/when they are succesfull i'll probably implement that too

  41. dwd

    It'd be useful to get these discussions on the mailing list; there's people like Fippo there who could make a lot of contributions.

  42. jonas’

    I’ll ping the dino folks then

  43. jonas’

    the attitude of the jitsi folks is very disappointing by the way (see the second link above)

  44. daniel

    if they get the funding to scrap the necessary (server-side) pieces from jitsi the client side might actually be fairly simple

  45. daniel

    (if you already have working a/v)

  46. jonas’


  47. jonas’

    and it needs to be maintained as a standard

  48. jonas’

    ok, but thanks, this was my AOB

  49. jonas’

    any other?

  50. Zash

    I vaguely recall something about Dino planning group calls as just n:n calls, for a small n

  51. daniel

    yes. someone needs to document the diff to the existing standard

  52. dwd

    You can do full-mesh and avoid the need for SFU negotiation, certainly.

  53. daniel

    Zash, both to my knowledge

  54. daniel

    yes (other AOB)

  55. jonas’

    (that’s how jitsi operates, too; it seamlessly switches between p2p and bridged mode depending on number of users. by default, the threshold is 3)

  56. jonas’

    daniel, go ahead

  57. daniel

    do I need to clarify 363 wrt to the discussion we had this morning?

  58. daniel

    or is it clear enough already?

  59. jonas’

    daniel, I think adding extra wording would benefit the reader

  60. jonas’

    as dwd mentioned, it’s not strictly necessary though

  61. dwd

    daniel, I think that: a) It's clear enough, and b) It's not something for Council to worry over, but perhaps the list.

  62. Zash

    I don't see how clarification hurts 🙂

  63. jonas’

    Zash, at some point, you end up with too many words

  64. daniel


  65. Zash


  66. jonas’

    but I agree with dwd on (b) specifically

  67. jonas’


  68. Zash

    Not here

  69. jonas’

    taking the silence and lack of typing notifications as a no

  70. jonas’

    and with that:

  71. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  72. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  73. Zash


  74. jonas’

    patch your sudo(1), y’all

  75. mdosch


  76. jonas’

    no, still

  77. mdosch


  78. Zash

    Always be patching

  79. jonas’

    (since yesterday night)