XMPP Council - 2021-01-27

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  69. Ge0rG I'm still in a video conf
  70. jonas’ k
  71. Ge0rG It's 30min over schedule, and it will go on for some more time
  72. Zash Fun 😕
  73. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  74. jonas’ chairing with Dino for the first time
  75. daniel Hi
  76. Zash Here (also with Dino, if that matters)
  77. dwd Here (with Gajim)
  78. jonas’ great!
  79. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  80. jonas’ anything?
  81. jonas’ moving on
  82. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update - Proposed XMPP Extensions: - XEP-0452 (MUC Mention Notifications) - XEP-0453 (DOAP Usage in XMPP) - XEP-0454 (OMEMO Media Sharing)
  83. jonas’ (I’ll now also stop being distracted by that other channel)
  84. jonas’ 4) Items for voting
  85. jonas’ Nothing.
  86. jonas’ 5) Pending votes
  87. jonas’ dwd and daniel are pending on the Service Outage status
  88. jonas’ (expiring next week)
  89. dwd I'll get to those after this, I don't have a vote currently.
  90. jonas’ ok, thanks
  91. jonas’ daniel?
  92. daniel still on list
  93. jonas’ ok, thanks
  94. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  95. jonas’ +1w wfm
  96. Zash +1w wfm
  97. daniel +1
  98. jonas’ that’s a quorum :)
  99. jonas’ 7) AOB
  100. jonas’ I’ve got one
  101. Zash Shoot.
  102. jonas’ are there any initiatives in the community to implement interoperable A/V group calls you know of?
  103. daniel yes
  104. daniel Dino's got funding for that
  105. jonas’ I have heard about the dino folks planning something (<https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/>), but no details and I also saw this: https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/
  106. dwd There have been loads in the past.
  107. jonas’ I have heard about the dino folks planning something (<https://dino.im/blog/2020/08/setting-out-for-calls-and-conferences/>), but no details and I also saw this: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/6235#issuecomment-616721373
  108. daniel if/when they are succesfull i'll probably implement that too
  109. dwd It'd be useful to get these discussions on the mailing list; there's people like Fippo there who could make a lot of contributions.
  110. jonas’ I’ll ping the dino folks then
  111. jonas’ the attitude of the jitsi folks is very disappointing by the way (see the second link above)
  112. daniel if they get the funding to scrap the necessary (server-side) pieces from jitsi the client side might actually be fairly simple
  113. daniel (if you already have working a/v)
  114. jonas’ right
  115. jonas’ and it needs to be maintained as a standard
  116. jonas’ ok, but thanks, this was my AOB
  117. jonas’ any other?
  118. Zash I vaguely recall something about Dino planning group calls as just n:n calls, for a small n
  119. daniel yes. someone needs to document the diff to the existing standard
  120. dwd You can do full-mesh and avoid the need for SFU negotiation, certainly.
  121. daniel Zash, both to my knowledge
  122. daniel yes (other AOB)
  123. jonas’ (that’s how jitsi operates, too; it seamlessly switches between p2p and bridged mode depending on number of users. by default, the threshold is 3)
  124. jonas’ daniel, go ahead
  125. daniel do I need to clarify 363 wrt to the discussion we had this morning?
  126. daniel or is it clear enough already?
  127. jonas’ daniel, I think adding extra wording would benefit the reader
  128. jonas’ as dwd mentioned, it’s not strictly necessary though
  129. dwd daniel, I think that: a) It's clear enough, and b) It's not something for Council to worry over, but perhaps the list.
  130. Zash I don't see how clarification hurts 🙂
  131. jonas’ Zash, at some point, you end up with too many words
  132. daniel ok
  133. Zash true
  134. jonas’ but I agree with dwd on (b) specifically
  135. jonas’ AO-AOB?
  136. Zash Not here
  137. jonas’ taking the silence and lack of typing notifications as a no
  138. jonas’ and with that:
  139. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  140. jonas’ thanks everyone
  141. Zash Thanks
  142. jonas’ patch your sudo(1), y’all
  143. mdosch again?
  144. jonas’ no, still
  145. mdosch phew
  146. Zash Always be patching
  147. jonas’ (since yesterday night)
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