XMPP Council - 2021-03-10


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  95. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  96. daniel here
  97. Zash Here
  98. dwd Here.
  99. jonas’ Ge0rG ping
  100. Ge0rG ,o/
  101. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  102. jonas’ any amendments?
  103. Zash None here.
  104. jonas’ 3) Editor’s Update
  105. jonas’ well, "nothing" as written in the agenda is wrong, in fact we did have a protoxep ;)
  106. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  107. Sam Agenda bashing: please consider moving carbons to draft again soon; thanks :)
  108. jonas’ 4a) PR#1044: xep-0294: add mapping for a=extmap-allow-mixed URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1044 Updates the reference of RFC 5285 -> RFC 8285 and includes support for that new attribute.
  109. jonas’ Sam, same as for MAM… ping the author to make them ask the editor please
  110. Sam Oh right *facepalm*, will do.
  111. jonas’ Sam, but thanks for the reminder, I’ll ask Matt about whether MAM is now ready for LC
  112. dwd Easier with Carbons, half the XSF must be an author by now. :-)
  113. Sam jonas’: Matt already requested LC on MAM IIRC
  114. daniel do we have a general rule or best practices for adding new elements in the same namespace?
  115. Sam But sorry, peanut gallery shutting up and not being distracting now.
  116. jonas’ Sam, thanks :)
  117. dwd Anyway. This PR.
  118. daniel we did something similiar with rtcmux not too long ago
  119. jonas’ daniel, I think the consensus normally is "don’t"
  120. dwd daniel, If it's an optional element, then it's technically breaking XML namespacing rules, but pragmatically it seems absolutely fine.
  121. daniel but the situation was slightly different because 'most' implementations already do this anyway (and there arent that many)
  122. Zash nit: Does this qualify for a "should be discussed on standards@ first" ?
  123. dwd Zash, That was something I was going to raise, indeed.
  124. jonas’ riiight
  125. daniel fwiw I think this PR is probably fine and I don’t see this breaking anything in practice
  126. daniel but the 'proper' solution would be to put this in a new namespace
  127. daniel which would be extremly wasteful
  128. jonas’ I already forgot about our new rule and going by that, this PR obviously isn’t even on our agenda ;)
  129. dwd daniel, I think that's the pedantic solution, rather than the proper one.
  130. Zash The general principle of "ignore what you don't understand" should make this fine without a ns bump.
  131. dwd daniel, We change namespaces to prevent interop failures, which this shouldn't cause if I'm understanding things correctly - that is, it's safe to leave off this element and it's safe to ignore it.
  132. daniel +1 on the PR
  133. Zash It irks me that there's discussion on github instead of standards@, but the comments on the PR makes me think this is fine. And I trust fippo on these things. So +1 if we're voting. 🙂
  134. Ge0rG But are we voting or escalating to standards?
  135. jonas’ yes, that’s a question we need to answer for ourselves
  136. Zash Yes
  137. jonas’ I think raising to the list would be good
  138. jonas’ especially with jingle
  139. dwd I'll on-list for essentially the reasons Zash gives - it irks that it's not discussed on list, and while I'm pretty sure it's fine based on Fippo and Jonathan Lennox's discussion, I'd like it run past people on list first.
  140. jonas’ I think what dwd proposes is a good middle-ground
  141. jonas’ ok, any other votes in this meeting?
  142. jonas’ ok, any other votes on that in this meeting?
  143. Ge0rG I'll on-list in the hope that somebody brings it to the list before the vote expires
  144. jonas’ Ge0rG, Tedd will :)
  145. jonas’ (I hope)
  146. jonas’ moving on
  147. jonas’ 4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Content Rating Labels URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/content-ratings.html Abstract: This specification provides a wire format in the form of a Service Discovery extension to allow services of various kinds to publish information about the kind of content they allow and/or endorse on their platform.
  148. daniel +1
  149. jonas’ I am +1
  150. Ge0rG on-list (very much sorry)
  151. Zash +1 I noticed some issues that I'm sure the author will fix in Experimental.
  152. jonas’ Zash, care to share those?
  153. Zash > If the format needs to be conveyed in plain text form, [...], the following algorithm is to be applied: and then the section ends
  154. jonas’ :D
  155. jonas’ that’s … a good find
  156. dwd Yes, I noticed that algorithm seemed overly simplistic, and arguably misses some key cases.
  157. jonas’ dwd, feedback welcome
  158. dwd But anyway: Yes, seems worth working on, and therefore +1
  159. jonas’ please go ahead and post it on-list. I won’t be able to work on this further right away because I need to migrate some stuff to other servers (unrelated to the OVH incident), but it’s high on my prio list after that
  160. jonas’ ok, we’ve got all votes then
  161. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes None except those from today.
  162. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  163. Zash +1w wfm
  164. jonas’ +1w wfm
  165. dwd +1w wfm
  166. daniel +1w wfm
  167. Ge0rG I'll be in a video conf next week
  168. Ge0rG no idea how much attention it will require yet
  169. jonas’ ok
  170. jonas’ 7) AOB
  171. dwd None from me.
  172. jonas’ ok, taking the remaining silence as a no
  173. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  174. jonas’ Thanks Tedd for the minutes for last time, thanks everyone \o/
  175. Zash Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all.
  176. Ge0rG thanks jonas’
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