XMPP Council - 2021-03-17

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  17. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  18. jonas’ present

  19. Zash

    Is it time, already?

  20. jonas’

    it is!

  21. jonas’

    daniel, dwd ( Ge0rG maybe?)

  22. Ge0rG

    we have a Ge0rG

  23. daniel


  24. daniel

    i'm here

  25. dwd


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  27. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  28. jonas’

    Ge0rG wanted to add issuing and shepherding a '280 LC to the agenda

  29. jonas’

    which we shall hereby do

  30. Ge0rG


  31. jonas’

    any other amendments?

  32. Zash

    none here

  33. jonas’

    also, if anyone has any AOB, just shout throughout the meeting so that we can avoid the awkward silence in the end :)

  34. jonas’

    (thanks to dwd for that idea)

  35. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update

  36. jonas’

    LC for '313 issued, please respond

  37. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  38. jonas’

    4a) Issue LC for XEP-0280 with Ge0rG as shepherd

  39. dwd


  40. Ge0rG

    jonas’: well, technically that's not quite what I asked for.

  41. jonas’

    I think we don’t *have* to formally vote on this necessarily, but it is borderline to an author addition so I want to play this safe

  42. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it is not?

  43. Zash


  44. jonas’

    then please clarify

  45. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I wanted to become *the* author of the document.

  46. jonas’

    ah well

  47. Zash


  48. jonas’

    did you contact the current authors already?

  49. dwd

    Either, both.

  50. Ge0rG

    jonas’: it was discussed on standards@

  51. jonas’

    look at that, I missed it

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  53. jonas’

    ok, so Joe ACKed, we’d just have to get hold of Matthew Miller or force remove them. I never had any interactions with them, so I don’t know how reachable they’d be

  54. Kev

    Becoming *The* author would be unusual. Our SOP is to add unless the original author asked to be removed.

  55. Ge0rG

    Well, not technically the *author* but the maintainer. Whatever that means in terms of ordering names on the frontpage.

  56. Kev

    Is there any reason to remove them?

  57. Ge0rG

    Kev: no

  58. jonas’


  59. jonas’

    so, let me rephrase

  60. Kev

    Then I suggest Council says “Thanks Georg, welcome to the author list”.

  61. jonas’

    4a') Add Ge0rG to the XEP-0280 authors

  62. Zash

    How is that different from shepherd then?

  63. Ge0rG

    Zash: the shepherd is a temporary position AFAICT

  64. dwd

    +1 to that too.

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  66. Kev

    Zash: Shepherd just gets through the standards process.

  67. Ge0rG


  68. Zash


  69. jonas’

    Zash, doesn’t matter if it gets accepted, but if it transitions back to Experimental it matters

  70. dwd

    Shepherd is not as good for acknowledgement.

  71. Ge0rG

    I can't put "shepherd" on my CV

  72. jonas’

    I can, kind of

  73. jonas’

    but in a very different way

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  75. Ge0rG

    jonas’: but you are shepherd of all XEPs.

  76. Zash


  77. Ge0rG

    Is there a hoodie for that?

  78. jonas’

    daniel, vote?

  79. Zash

    There's a yak joke somewhere, I can feel it.

  80. daniel


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  82. Ge0rG

    anything to vote on re LC?

  83. jonas’

    Ge0rG, then please go ahead and make the changes you’d like to make to '280, adding yourself as the author

  84. jonas’

    no, LC is requested by the author

  85. Ge0rG

    Hereby I fromally ask ~Council~ The Editor to do a Last Call of 0280.

  86. Ge0rG

    Hereby I formally ask ~Council~ The Editor to do a Last Call of 0280.

  87. jonas’

    Ge0rG, you’re not an author of that doc… nevermind ;)

  88. jonas’

    will do, soon™

  89. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  90. jonas’

    PR#1044 had some discussion on-list

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  92. jonas’

    AFAIK, we’re still missing votes from Ge0rG, dwd and me

  93. Ge0rG

    Yes. Was that hidden in the council minutes thread?

  94. jonas’

    was what hidden?

  95. Ge0rG

    Ah, no. A real thread!

  96. jonas’

    yeah, crazy, I know

  97. Ge0rG

    Thanks fippo! I'll read it up ASAP.

  98. dwd


  99. jonas’

    I am +1 based on the lack of negative feedback and the presence of that positive feedback and my own judgement about the addition being "probably fine"

  100. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I take that as "no vote today"?

  101. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I take that as "no vote in this meeting"?

  102. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes, sorry.

  103. jonas’

    no worries

  104. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  105. Ge0rG

    I *think* +1W will be fine. But I might be caught in traffic right at that time.

  106. dwd

    +1W WFM

  107. Ge0rG

    Anyway, I'll try to vote PR#1044 before that.

  108. jonas’

    +1w likely wfm, there will be some (physical) installation happening here, so I might get pulled out

  109. Zash

    +1w wfm

  110. daniel

    +1w wfm

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  112. jonas’

    7) AOB

  113. jonas’

    I didn’t hear anyone shout during the meeting soooo ....

  114. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  115. jonas’

    thanks everyone, thanks Tedd

  116. Zash

    Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.

  117. Ge0rG

    Wow, I missed the awkward silence.

  118. Ge0rG

    Thanks jonas’

  119. jonas’

    quick note that we’ll have DST in europe between next week and the week thereafter

  120. Zash

    OH no

  121. jonas’

    doesn’t affect next week’s scheduling

  122. Ge0rG

    I thought the EU set out to abolish DST?

  123. jonas’

    I think covid pulled resources away from that endeavour

  124. Zash

    Det bidde inget. 🙁

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  126. Zash

    variant of "blev"

  127. Zash

    It happened not.

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