XMPP Council - 2021-03-17

  1. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  2. jonas’ present

  3. Zash

    Is it time, already?

  4. jonas’

    it is!

  5. jonas’

    daniel, dwd ( Ge0rG maybe?)

  6. Ge0rG

    we have a Ge0rG

  7. daniel


  8. daniel

    i'm here

  9. dwd


  10. jonas’


  11. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  12. jonas’

    Ge0rG wanted to add issuing and shepherding a '280 LC to the agenda

  13. jonas’

    which we shall hereby do

  14. Ge0rG


  15. jonas’

    any other amendments?

  16. Zash

    none here

  17. jonas’

    also, if anyone has any AOB, just shout throughout the meeting so that we can avoid the awkward silence in the end :)

  18. jonas’

    (thanks to dwd for that idea)

  19. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update

  20. jonas’

    LC for '313 issued, please respond

  21. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  22. jonas’

    4a) Issue LC for XEP-0280 with Ge0rG as shepherd

  23. dwd


  24. Ge0rG

    jonas’: well, technically that's not quite what I asked for.

  25. jonas’

    I think we don’t *have* to formally vote on this necessarily, but it is borderline to an author addition so I want to play this safe

  26. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it is not?

  27. Zash


  28. jonas’

    then please clarify

  29. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I wanted to become *the* author of the document.

  30. jonas’

    ah well

  31. Zash


  32. jonas’

    did you contact the current authors already?

  33. dwd

    Either, both.

  34. Ge0rG

    jonas’: it was discussed on standards@

  35. jonas’

    look at that, I missed it

  36. jonas’


  37. jonas’

    ok, so Joe ACKed, we’d just have to get hold of Matthew Miller or force remove them. I never had any interactions with them, so I don’t know how reachable they’d be

  38. Kev

    Becoming *The* author would be unusual. Our SOP is to add unless the original author asked to be removed.

  39. Ge0rG

    Well, not technically the *author* but the maintainer. Whatever that means in terms of ordering names on the frontpage.

  40. Kev

    Is there any reason to remove them?

  41. Ge0rG

    Kev: no

  42. jonas’


  43. jonas’

    so, let me rephrase

  44. Kev

    Then I suggest Council says “Thanks Georg, welcome to the author list”.

  45. jonas’

    4a') Add Ge0rG to the XEP-0280 authors

  46. Zash

    How is that different from shepherd then?

  47. Ge0rG

    Zash: the shepherd is a temporary position AFAICT

  48. dwd

    +1 to that too.

  49. jonas’


  50. Kev

    Zash: Shepherd just gets through the standards process.

  51. Ge0rG


  52. Zash


  53. jonas’

    Zash, doesn’t matter if it gets accepted, but if it transitions back to Experimental it matters

  54. dwd

    Shepherd is not as good for acknowledgement.

  55. Ge0rG

    I can't put "shepherd" on my CV

  56. jonas’

    I can, kind of

  57. jonas’

    but in a very different way

  58. jonas’


  59. Ge0rG

    jonas’: but you are shepherd of all XEPs.

  60. Zash


  61. Ge0rG

    Is there a hoodie for that?

  62. jonas’

    daniel, vote?

  63. Zash

    There's a yak joke somewhere, I can feel it.

  64. daniel


  65. jonas’


  66. Ge0rG

    anything to vote on re LC?

  67. jonas’

    Ge0rG, then please go ahead and make the changes you’d like to make to '280, adding yourself as the author

  68. jonas’

    no, LC is requested by the author

  69. Ge0rG

    Hereby I fromally ask ~Council~ The Editor to do a Last Call of 0280.

  70. Ge0rG

    Hereby I formally ask ~Council~ The Editor to do a Last Call of 0280.

  71. jonas’

    Ge0rG, you’re not an author of that doc… nevermind ;)

  72. jonas’

    will do, soon™

  73. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  74. jonas’

    PR#1044 had some discussion on-list

  75. jonas’


  76. jonas’

    AFAIK, we’re still missing votes from Ge0rG, dwd and me

  77. Ge0rG

    Yes. Was that hidden in the council minutes thread?

  78. jonas’

    was what hidden?

  79. Ge0rG

    Ah, no. A real thread!

  80. jonas’

    yeah, crazy, I know

  81. Ge0rG

    Thanks fippo! I'll read it up ASAP.

  82. dwd


  83. jonas’

    I am +1 based on the lack of negative feedback and the presence of that positive feedback and my own judgement about the addition being "probably fine"

  84. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I take that as "no vote today"?

  85. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I take that as "no vote in this meeting"?

  86. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes, sorry.

  87. jonas’

    no worries

  88. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  89. Ge0rG

    I *think* +1W will be fine. But I might be caught in traffic right at that time.

  90. dwd

    +1W WFM

  91. Ge0rG

    Anyway, I'll try to vote PR#1044 before that.

  92. jonas’

    +1w likely wfm, there will be some (physical) installation happening here, so I might get pulled out

  93. Zash

    +1w wfm

  94. daniel

    +1w wfm

  95. jonas’


  96. jonas’

    7) AOB

  97. jonas’

    I didn’t hear anyone shout during the meeting soooo ....

  98. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  99. jonas’

    thanks everyone, thanks Tedd

  100. Zash

    Thanks jonas’. Thanks Tedd. Thanks all.

  101. Ge0rG

    Wow, I missed the awkward silence.

  102. Ge0rG

    Thanks jonas’

  103. jonas’

    quick note that we’ll have DST in europe between next week and the week thereafter

  104. Zash

    OH no

  105. jonas’

    doesn’t affect next week’s scheduling

  106. Ge0rG

    I thought the EU set out to abolish DST?

  107. jonas’

    I think covid pulled resources away from that endeavour

  108. Zash

    Det bidde inget. 🙁

  109. jonas’


  110. Zash

    variant of "blev"

  111. Zash

    It happened not.