jonas’I forgot a point, we have to vote on a new protoxep
jonas’I’ll inject that then
jonas’any other amendments?
jonas’taking it as a no
jonas’3) Editor’s Update
* CVE number things in XEPs
* Compliance Suites 2020 ProtoXEP published
jonas’4) Items for Voting
dwdSorry, caught up in an offboarding meeting.
jonas’4a) XEP-0292: Recommend using contact bare JIDs as item IDs
This has been idling for a looong time now, and pinging stpeter did not help. Let us do something about it.
jonas’dwd, still caught up or will you attend here?
jonas’just so that I know whether to block on you :)
KevCan I interject and ask what ‘pinging’ means here? I get the impression that sometimes people have just mentioned me in a MUC or @me on a PR and expect me to notice it.
Kev(Which I frequently won’t)
jonas’Kev, I don’t know whether any explicit email pings have been made in this case
KevSo if that was all that was done to ask Peter for input, it’s conceivable it wouldn’t be effective on him either :)
jonas’it’s been a while
jonas’I’m all in for pinging via email (possibly again) if that makes sense, but if the default is that authors do not listen in for pings on github PRs, we need to find a better process.
Ge0rGIt's been almost a decade. I think we should make another attempt to contact stpeter and by then it will be October, a ten-years-anniversary of the suggestion.
KevPinging on github has never been our process has it?
KevOur process has always been explicitly that no important discussion only happens via github.
Kev(Other than submitting XEP updates - but any discussion on them happens onlist)
jonas’Kev, that’s true, but I lack the energy currently to bring everything to the list
jonas’as you might’ve noticed with that PR of yours :)
Zashsorta replaced by https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0256.html ?
Zashor the <idle> one
danielNo let's not randomly deprecate xeps today
jonas’I guess we could make another call of "things which need to be advanced" to the list.
jonas’it brought a bit of activity for sure
SamI nominate XEP-0054 and 0055 for the ax!
Samshuts up and lets you get on with the meeting
jonas’gonna write that email then
jonas’any other AOB?
jonas’taking that as a no
jonas’7) Ite Meeting Est
SamSpeaking of compliance suites, these are still draft (but so are 2021): https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html
ZashShall we have another go at how compliance suites are weird and deserve their own xep-1 flow? 🙂
SamI tend to agree, but I'm not willing to wade into the impossible task of making more work for ourselves when we could just agree to actually put them out on time even if they're not perfect and tell the editor they can deprecate the old ones when the new ones come along
Ge0rGSo let's deprecate 2020 and move 2021 to final?
SamPlease and thank you
SamHere was the list I mentioned, FYI. Some of them probably need replacements, some need deprecation, some need to be obsoleted, etc. the list is just "I feel like something needs to be done with these": https://bin.disroot.org/?83e148f7d618ae4f#G9aWQqLYnBLgAoQw6dgci39SEnFhnoT9ExWsNexCH6ib
SamSome of them are probably doing no harm if we just leave them alone, it just makes me nervous that they're still there and not being looked at by anyone.
Zash153 is *gaining* popularity because it's the only way to do it in MUC 🙁
SamYah, 153 I want to kill just because we'll never make a better way as long as it exists and I hate working with vcards.
ZashAnd all attempts at something sane for MUC was rejeced by previous councils
ZashAt least vcard4+xep84 is picking up now
SamI seem to have left off 0229, I guess I should go back through the extensions list.
ZashSome new safer compression method might be nice to have
Zashzstd with a fixed dictionary or something
SamYah, I could see that being obsoleted because we've been going back and forth over the security issues since I've been here at least, or actually updated with something newer
daniel> Some new safer compression method might be nice to have
> zstd with a fixed dictionary or something
Zash: and compress each stanza individually?
ZashUnless I got it all wrong, by "fixed dictionary" I mean the mode where there are no backreferences, only references to a pre-defined dictionary of common strings
KevBackreferences are fine as long as they don’t cross trust boundaries, aren’t they?
ZashOne of the problems is, how do you enforce that?