XMPP Council - 2021-07-07

  1. Zash

    FYI: I may be on mobile around the time of the meeting, not sure I'll have network at all.

  2. Ge0rG

    I might be late.

  3. jonas’

    I got a reply from the Moved author last night :)

  4. jonas’

    they’re fine with someone else taking over

  5. Ge0rG


  6. jonas’

    (this room needs an avatar)

  7. daniel


  8. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  9. jonas’ is present

  10. daniel


  11. Ge0rG is semi present

  12. Zash finds a quiet spot

  13. jonas’

    do we get a dwd?

  14. jonas’

    let’s hope so

  15. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  16. dwd


  17. jonas’

    I’ll inject a new agendum in 4) to re-vote on Moved 2.0, this time folding it into Moved as I got the original author’s consent and MattJ indicated that he’d also be fine with that folding.

  18. jonas’

    any other modifications please raise while I move ahead

  19. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update

  20. jonas’


  21. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  22. jonas’

    4a) Merge Proposed XMPP Extension: Moved 2.0 into XEP-0283: Moved

  23. Zash


  24. Ge0rG


  25. dwd

    Well, no, what we need to do is agree to make MattJ the author of XEP-0283

  26. jonas’

    Tory replied to my email this morning and agreed with that operation, leaving it up to MattJ ("the new author") to decide how to further acknowledge him.

  27. dwd

    Making MattJ the author means that he can make the changes "anyway", without any further voting from us.

  28. daniel

    Merge meaning complely replace?

  29. jonas’

    daniel, yes

  30. jonas’

    well, I’d talk to MattJ about that, regarding acknowledgement specifically, and the editor will merge the revision history accordingly

  31. jonas’

    dwd, you’re right, let’s do that and let the rest be between the Editor and MattJ

  32. jonas’

    it’s sometimes confusing to me

  33. dwd

    Me too. :-)

  34. daniel

    +0 (I think if it's not a real change but more a completely new xep it should have been a new number (possibly obsoleting the old one)) but I won't block it

  35. jonas’

    4a') Add MattJ as author of XEP-0283: Moved Plus allowing the subsequent move of Tory to the Acknowledgements section as deemed appropriate by MattJ.

  36. jonas’

    +1 to 4a'

  37. dwd

    +1 to that.

  38. Zash


  39. daniel

    +0 (same reasoning as above)

  40. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ?

  41. Ge0rG


  42. jonas’

    thank you

  43. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  44. jonas’

    I vote -1 on Proposed XMPP Extension: Moved 2 under the assumption that it’ll be handled in '283 from here on. Should that change for whatever reason, I’m open to revote.

  45. jonas’

    Ge0rG, you are pending on https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1064 / PR#1064: XEP-0227: New revision 1.1, any news there?

  46. Ge0rG

    jonas’: sorry, no.

  47. jonas’


  48. jonas’

    dwd, wanna formally vote on Moved 2.0?

  49. Ge0rG

    I could give an uninformed +0 or take some more time to catch up

  50. dwd

    Oh, I can veto it on the basis of the above, yes.

  51. jonas’

    dwd, thanks

  52. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  53. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  54. Zash

    We do have semantics for XEPs that replace other XEPs, so eh, either way

  55. Ge0rG

    +1W probably okay

  56. daniel

    +1w wfm

  57. Zash

    fm, +1w w

  58. dwd

    +1 +1w wfm.

  59. jonas’


  60. jonas’

    7) AOB

  61. jonas’

    7a) This room needs an avatar

  62. jonas’

    any suggestions? :)

  63. Zash

    XSF logo + something seems appropriate

  64. jonas’

    the XSF does have a logo?

  65. jonas’

    I thought we only have the XMPP logo

  66. jonas’

    but yes, that would be appropriate, the question is what that "something" could be :)

  67. dwd


  68. Zash

    XMPP logo then. Either way

  69. Ge0rG

    I'd suggest a gray beard, but I've heard those have become sexist. What about a scroll?

  70. jonas’

    dwd, that gives a blank page for me

  71. dwd

    Oh, disappointing.

  72. Zash

    SPQR but XMPP themed

  73. jonas’

    fun ideas, if anyone comes up with a png or svg we can put on, that’d be great.

  74. Ge0rG

    An antique scroll with the word "standard" written on it in some dead language.

  75. jonas’

    or in many! xml:lang!

  76. dwd

    https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Grey_Council (image from there)

  77. Zash

    Council and Members of XMPP

  78. jonas’

    dwd, that would confuse me for work related reasons :)

  79. dwd

    OK, now I'm curious.

  80. jonas’

    some people like their babylon 5 references when naming recurring meetings

  81. jonas’

    either way, I guess we can stew on this question outside of the formal meeting

  82. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  83. jonas’

    assuming none

  84. dwd

    None from me.

  85. Zash

    Image search "conspiracy", roll a dice and pick that numbered result

  86. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  87. jonas’

    thanks everyone!

  88. Zash

    Thanks jonas’, all

  89. Ge0rG

    Maybe there is some good comic depiction of the Auditors of Reality? That would better fit our Shakespeare theme.

  90. Zash

    Thanks cat for company (see other chat for cat)