XMPP Council - 2021-07-14

1) Roll Call

Oh, right, Wednesday. Here.

hi

do we get a dwd and/or a Ge0rG?

Hi, I am here but in a overrunning meeting.

ok, I’ll go through the standard stuff first anyway :)

2) Agenda Bashing

I'm not quite here.

Ge0rG, ok

if you have any addenda to the agenda, let me know inline

3) Editor’s Update * Deferrals have been executed and will be dissiminated to the list in a few days to not drown out other updates. Thanks Sam for the reminder. * LCs for XEP-0429 and XEP-0381 have expired last year and Council never voted on it apparently. * Moved 2.0 vs 1.0 will be taken care of by the Editor and MattJ.

4) Items for voting

Notice: the PR#1064 has been updated again during the voting period to incorporate list feedback. I take this as our fault as we did not adhere to the "only vote on it after list discussion has settled down" policy we put into place a while back :)

We'll wait for list feedback this time to not vote on this over and over again.

moving on

4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0381 Title: XEP-0381: Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group SIG) within the XSF devoted to the application of XMPP technologies to the Internet of Things (IoT).

this one had an LC in december 2020 and we probably missed the LC expiration over the holidays

Was anything said about it on the list?

yes

Is the IoT WG still functional?

debacle said he'd like to participate

(he also reiterated that privately to me in response to the agenda)

a bunch of people hang out in iot@muc.xmpp.org, too

+1 then

do we have any measures in place which actually keep track of SIG members?

Is that our job?

who will we talk to when it comes to "have the deliverables actually been delivered?"? ✏

'cause the XEP talks about deliverables.

There were a bunch of XEPs in the past

Retracted?

As a person who hangs out in iot@, I'm not sure why this SIG is coming up now, or what it's intended to achieve

are we going to treat the SIG as "a reason to get XSF resources like a MUC and a list allocated and otherwise we don't care much unless it becomes a problem"?

Maybe but note: we already have a MUC :)

and I think there used to be a list?

MattJ, someone triggered an LC of the XEP in dec 2020 or so, and it expired and we forgot to vote on it over half a year back

no other reason :)

I'm aware that resources have been allocated already, just wondering what a SIG should mean to us, as council.

Subject: [Standards] Meeting Minutes of the XMPP IoT SIG from 2017-03-29

well

it seems to exist somewhat :D

or have existed

Apparently so

either way, I take this as a formality now

+1

+1

Ge0rG, with all that has been said, do you stay with +1?

+1

+1

assuming that dwd will vote once he catches up, moving on

4b) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0429 Title: XEP-0429: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0429.html Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group (SIG) within the XSF devoted to the development of end-to-end encryption within the context of XMPP.

I think this is a similar situation

+1

+1

except that they didn’t get any resources yet I think

+1

+1

thanks

same assumption about dwd still holds, moving on

5) Pending Votes

pending vote has been cancelled, so we’re good there

6) Date of Next

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

Ge0rG?

well, hoping for the best

7) AOB

assuming none as nothing was mentioned

8) Ite Meeting Est

thanks everyone

Sorry about that; I've had one of those days where everything overran. +1 to both, but I can say that on list if that's easier.

posting on the list is a good measure I guess