XMPP Council - 2021-07-14

  1. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  2. Zash

    Oh, right, Wednesday. Here.

  3. daniel


  4. jonas’

    do we get a dwd and/or a Ge0rG?

  5. dwd

    Hi, I am here but in a overrunning meeting.

  6. jonas’

    ok, I’ll go through the standard stuff first anyway :)

  7. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  8. Ge0rG

    I'm not quite here.

  9. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ok

  10. jonas’

    if you have any addenda to the agenda, let me know inline

  11. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update * Deferrals have been executed and will be dissiminated to the list in a few days to not drown out other updates. Thanks Sam for the reminder. * LCs for XEP-0429 and XEP-0381 have expired last year and Council never voted on it apparently. * Moved 2.0 vs 1.0 will be taken care of by the Editor and MattJ.

  12. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  13. jonas’

    Notice: the PR#1064 has been updated again during the voting period to incorporate list feedback. I take this as our fault as we did not adhere to the "only vote on it after list discussion has settled down" policy we put into place a while back :)

  14. jonas’

    We'll wait for list feedback this time to not vote on this over and over again.

  15. jonas’

    moving on

  16. jonas’

    4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0381 Title: XEP-0381: Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group SIG) within the XSF devoted to the application of XMPP technologies to the Internet of Things (IoT).

  17. jonas’

    this one had an LC in december 2020 and we probably missed the LC expiration over the holidays

  18. Zash

    Was anything said about it on the list?

  19. jonas’


  20. Ge0rG

    Is the IoT WG still functional?

  21. jonas’

    debacle said he'd like to participate

  22. jonas’

    (he also reiterated that privately to me in response to the agenda)

  23. jonas’

    a bunch of people hang out in iot@muc.xmpp.org, too

  24. Ge0rG

    +1 then

  25. jonas’

    do we have any measures in place which actually keep track of SIG members?

  26. Zash

    Is that our job?

  27. jonas’

    who will we talk to when it comes to "have the deliverables actually been delivered"?

  28. jonas’

    who will we talk to when it comes to "have the deliverables actually been delivered?"?

  29. jonas’

    'cause the XEP talks about deliverables.

  30. Zash

    There were a bunch of XEPs in the past

  31. Zash


  32. MattJ

    As a person who hangs out in iot@, I'm not sure why this SIG is coming up now, or what it's intended to achieve

  33. jonas’

    are we going to treat the SIG as "a reason to get XSF resources like a MUC and a list allocated and otherwise we don't care much unless it becomes a problem"?

  34. MattJ

    Maybe but note: we already have a MUC :)

  35. MattJ

    and I think there used to be a list?

  36. jonas’

    MattJ, someone triggered an LC of the XEP in dec 2020 or so, and it expired and we forgot to vote on it over half a year back

  37. jonas’

    no other reason :)

  38. jonas’

    I'm aware that resources have been allocated already, just wondering what a SIG should mean to us, as council.

  39. MattJ

    Subject: [Standards] Meeting Minutes of the XMPP IoT SIG from 2017-03-29

  40. jonas’


  41. jonas’

    it seems to exist somewhat :D

  42. jonas’

    or have existed

  43. MattJ

    Apparently so

  44. jonas’

    either way, I take this as a formality now

  45. jonas’


  46. Zash


  47. jonas’

    Ge0rG, with all that has been said, do you stay with +1?

  48. Ge0rG


  49. daniel


  50. jonas’

    assuming that dwd will vote once he catches up, moving on

  51. jonas’

    4b) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0429 Title: XEP-0429: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0429.html Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group (SIG) within the XSF devoted to the development of end-to-end encryption within the context of XMPP.

  52. jonas’

    I think this is a similar situation

  53. jonas’


  54. Zash


  55. jonas’

    except that they didn’t get any resources yet I think

  56. Ge0rG


  57. daniel


  58. jonas’


  59. jonas’

    same assumption about dwd still holds, moving on

  60. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  61. jonas’

    pending vote has been cancelled, so we’re good there

  62. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  63. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  64. Zash

    +1w wfm

  65. daniel

    +1w wfm

  66. jonas’


  67. jonas’

    well, hoping for the best

  68. jonas’

    7) AOB

  69. jonas’

    assuming none as nothing was mentioned

  70. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  71. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  72. dwd

    Sorry about that; I've had one of those days where everything overran. +1 to both, but I can say that on list if that's easier.

  73. jonas’

    posting on the list is a good measure I guess