XMPP Council - 2021-07-28

  1. Ge0rG

    Good evening.

  2. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  3. daniel


  4. Zash


  5. Ge0rG

  6. jonas’

    love the inconsistent rendering of that one

  7. jonas’

    no dwd here nor elsewhere

  8. jonas’

    pinged in 1:1, let's see if that helps

  9. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  10. jonas’

    mention anything any time, especially AOBs

  11. jonas’

    3) Editor’s Update * Proposed XMPP Extension: Disco Feature Attachment

  12. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  13. jonas’

    4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Disco Feature Attachment URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/disco-feature-attachment.html Abstract: This specification provides a way to get caching information from a Pubsub node

  14. jonas’

    not read it yet, on-list

  15. daniel

    on list

  16. Zash

    have read it, but not thought about it yet, so on-list

  17. flow

    side node: is the abstract not from goffi's other XEP?

  18. jonas’


  19. Ge0rG


  20. flow

    side node: is the abstract not from the author's other XEP?

  21. jonas’

    I copy/paste failed in the agenda, thanks for the hint, flow

  22. flow


  23. jonas’

    the actual document has the correct abstract :)

  24. jonas’

    ok, moving forward

  25. jonas’

    4b) meta-data vs. metadata URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1092 This is a nasty one. There was a mass search&replace for metadata vs. meta-data in the past. The normative changes were reverted after they were discovered, but re-reverted before merge but after review of the corresponding PR.

  26. jonas’

    that one made my head hurt

  27. daniel

    just merge it?

  28. jonas’

    for reference, here's the one where things went wrong: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/710

  29. jonas’

    daniel, what about implementations which picked up the wrong spelling?

  30. Zash

    I think at least one was discovered

  31. daniel

    well we have to pick either one or the other going forward. and the meta-data one has been around for more delta time I guess?

  32. Ge0rG

    That makes my head hurt, too

  33. daniel

    i mean it's not good that the #710 PR was merged. but that doesn’t mean we should keep it

  34. Zash

    daniel is correct, meta-data was the original one

  35. jonas’

    I agree with daniel and Zash on that one, and I think it should be merged.

  36. jonas’

    +1 to the PR then

  37. jonas’

    do you want to formally vote?

  38. jonas’

    please formally vote

  39. daniel


  40. Zash

    This should probably be mentioned in the changelog, will that be added later?

  41. jonas’


  42. jonas’

    (I'm a bit slow, trying to fix s2s issues with dwd in parallel)

  43. Ge0rG


  44. Zash

    +1 then

  45. Zash

    4/5 missing dwd

  46. jonas’

    dwd may join in a second

  47. Zash counts down from one second

  48. jonas’


  49. dwd-honestly

    I am defintely dwd.

  50. Ge0rG

    your hat doesn't look right

  51. dwd-honestly

    ‎28/07/2021 | 16:13:09 ‎Jonas'‎: secret: 8z6ZqmKiNXrqSx9x38XW9tfv ‎28/07/2021 | 16:13:18 ‎dwd‎: Paste it into the groupchat?

  52. jonas’


  53. jonas’

    dwd-honestly, do you have enough scrollback to do your votes?

  54. Zash

    There should be almost infinite MAM here.

  55. jonas’

    also logs.xmpp.org :)

  56. dwd-honestly

    So, yeah.

  57. dwd-honestly

    4a) +1, looks like a clean solution to an irritating problem, happy to iterate as needed in Experimental.

  58. dwd-honestly

    4b) I'm almost tempted to claim this is Editorial, in as much as it's fixing an Editorial PR, but I see the issue. Sane thing to do is merge it, but is it worth sticking a note in somewhere?

  59. jonas’

    I'd mention it in the changelog and hope that folks read the standards@ emails

  60. dwd-honestly

    So 4(b) is +1 from me with a suggestion.

  61. jonas’

    dwd-honestly, is changelog note sufficient for you?

  62. jonas’

    ... I assume notifications don't work properly and let dwd reply later on

  63. dwd-honestly

    As-is is sufficient for me. Any additional notes are purely a suggestion.

  64. jonas’

    okay, thanks

  65. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes - Georg, Daniel and Jonas on ProtoXEP https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-caching-hints.html

  66. jonas’

    anyone wanna cast votes on this?

  67. jonas’

    (daniel cast on-list)

  68. Ge0rG will cast on-list

  69. jonas’

    me too, thanks

  70. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  71. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  72. Zash

    +1w wfm

  73. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  74. dwd-honestly

    +1wwfm if my S2S works next week.

  75. jonas’


  76. jonas’

    7) AOB

  77. jonas’

    assuming none since nobody said anything, unless dwd-honestly has some

  78. dwd-honestly

    I honestly don't.

  79. jonas’

    well then

  80. Zash


  81. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  82. jonas’

    thanks evreyone, sorry for the slowness

  83. dwd-honestly

    Thanks jonas’

  84. Zash

    jonas’: Can I give you a mission, go buy and eat ice cream!

  85. Ge0rG

    Zash: that's a great mission! Can I have it too?

  86. dwd-honestly

    Also, COnverse has improved greatly since I last had a serious play with it (which was about 2.5 years ago).

  87. Zash

    Ge0rG, sure. Let's all have ice cream! (I already had one)

  88. Ge0rG

    I'm waiting for my conference call that's 25 mins overdue to end

  89. jonas’

    Zash, we still have ice cream in the freezer

  90. jonas’

    but thanks for the reminder, I wanted to kick off the ice cream machine for some home made

  91. Zash


  92. jonas’

    ice cream

  93. Zash

    All I have is home-made ice.