jonas’mention anything you dislike or would like to discuss at any time
jonas’3) Editor's update
jonas’Nothing out of the ordinary.
jonas’4) Items for Voting
jonas’4a) PR#1096: XEP-0060: remove exception for last item when purging a node
jonas’there was not much feedback on-list
ZashSo, was this because it was non-controversial or ...
jonas’but goffi said they had discussed this in xsf@, too, does anyone know when that happened?
Ge0rGthis looks like a normative change of the XEP, and I'd like to see feedback from server authors regarding whether it would affect existing code or not
ZashI remember the discussion but not the exact time
ZashNo change in Prosody AFAIK
ZashI approve, so +1, unless someone convinces me that it's too disruptive or somesuch.
jonas’to me, the behaviour of not deleting all items is really contrary to the notion of "purge"
jonas’so I am also in favour of this change in general.
jonas’and I think that client implementations which need to be extra sure can just check afterward whether there's still an item left and delete that separately
jonas’... which means that we need a note in the document which points at that
jonas’it'd be really nice to have a dwd here right now :)
jonas’... but it seems that's not happening
jonas’Ge0rG, any vote?
ZashIt sounds like a codified implementation detail from something that may have been lost in time. (Said something like that at the time in https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2021-07-20#2021-07-20-f178a9019c1c52c2 )
Ge0rGjonas’: I'd love to see more feedback from other servers
Ge0rGI have a +1 tendency, but BREAKING CHANGE?!
Zashralphm commented approvingly further down in the logs linked
jonas’ <p class="box">Note: Some service may preserve the last item despite the purge request. In such a case and if an entity needs to be certain that all items have been deleted, a query for the remaining items after a purge combined with a deletion request should be used.</p>
jonas’how about adding that? ^
ZashBut delete removes the entire node (including all configuration), does it not?
jonas’then "item deletion request"
jonas’what's it called?
ZashI think retraction is the correct term, if I understand what you're trying to accomplish
jonas’ <p class="box">Note: Some service may preserve the last item despite the purge request. In such a case and if an entity needs to be certain that all items have been deleted, a query for the remaining items after a purge combined with a specific retraction request for the remaining items should be used.</p>
ZashSounds good, but hacky, to me.
jonas’do we have another, less hacky, option?
jonas’I guess I'll just propose that provocantly on the list and vote on-list
ZashGe0rG, wanna poke the thread for more feedback?
jonas’Ge0rG, was that a formal vote?
ZashI suppose Someone™ could do a survey of implementations to see if this is actually a thing that is done anywhere
jonas’I poked the thread, let's move on.
jonas’5) Pending Votes
jonas’6) Date of Next
Ge0rGjonas’: not a formal vote from me.
Zashsame time next week should work for me
Ge0rGsorry, I've been hanging in an overlong phone conference