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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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Zash
Ohai
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daniel
Hi
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jonas’
doorbell
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jonas’
re
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jonas’
no Ge0rG, no dwd?
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jonas’
ah well, let's get started anyway
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
mention anything you dislike or would like to discuss at any time
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jonas’
3) Editor's update
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jonas’
Nothing out of the ordinary.
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jonas’
4) Items for Voting
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jonas’
4a) PR#1096: XEP-0060: remove exception for last item when purging a node URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1096 List-Discussion: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-July/038465.html
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jonas’
there was not much feedback on-list
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Zash
So, was this because it was non-controversial or ...
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jonas’
but goffi said they had discussed this in xsf@, too, does anyone know when that happened?
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Ge0rG
good morning!
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Ge0rG
this looks like a normative change of the XEP, and I'd like to see feedback from server authors regarding whether it would affect existing code or not
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jonas’
https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2021-07-20#2021-07-20-8cc43b5511594941
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Zash
I remember the discussion but not the exact time
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Zash
No change in Prosody AFAIK
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Zash
I approve, so +1, unless someone convinces me that it's too disruptive or somesuch.
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jonas’
to me, the behaviour of not deleting all items is really contrary to the notion of "purge"
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jonas’
so I am also in favour of this change in general.
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jonas’
and I think that client implementations which need to be extra sure can just check afterward whether there's still an item left and delete that separately
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jonas’
... which means that we need a note in the document which points at that
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jonas’
it'd be really nice to have a dwd here right now :)
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jonas’
... but it seems that's not happening
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jonas’
Ge0rG, any vote?
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Zash
It sounds like a codified implementation detail from something that may have been lost in time. (Said something like that at the time in https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2021-07-20#2021-07-20-f178a9019c1c52c2 )
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'd love to see more feedback from other servers
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Ge0rG
I have a +1 tendency, but BREAKING CHANGE?!
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Zash
ralphm commented approvingly further down in the logs linked
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daniel
+1
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jonas’
<p class="box">Note: Some service may preserve the last item despite the purge request. In such a case and if an entity needs to be certain that all items have been deleted, a query for the remaining items after a purge combined with a deletion request should be used.</p>
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jonas’
how about adding that? ^
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Zash
But delete removes the entire node (including all configuration), does it not?
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jonas’
then "item deletion request"
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jonas’
or retraction?
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jonas’
what's it called?
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Zash
I think retraction is the correct term, if I understand what you're trying to accomplish
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jonas’
<p class="box">Note: Some service may preserve the last item despite the purge request. In such a case and if an entity needs to be certain that all items have been deleted, a query for the remaining items after a purge combined with a specific retraction request for the remaining items should be used.</p>
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jonas’
like that?
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Zash
Sounds good, but hacky, to me.
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jonas’
do we have another, less hacky, option?
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jonas’
I guess I'll just propose that provocantly on the list and vote on-list
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Zash
Ge0rG, wanna poke the thread for more feedback?
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jonas’
Ge0rG, was that a formal vote?
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Zash
I suppose Someone™ could do a survey of implementations to see if this is actually a thing that is done anywhere
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jonas’
I poked the thread, let's move on.
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jonas’
5) Pending Votes
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jonas’
None
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jonas’
6) Date of Next
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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Ge0rG
jonas’: not a formal vote from me.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, thx
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Zash
same time next week should work for me
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jonas’
Ge0rG?
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Ge0rG
+1W WFM
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Ge0rG
sorry, I've been hanging in an overlong phone conference
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daniel
+1w wfm
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jonas’
thanks
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jonas’
7) AOB
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jonas’
assuming none as none was requested so far
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jonas’
8) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks everyone
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Zash
Thanks jonas’, all
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Ge0rG
thank you jonas’!