XMPP Council - 2021-08-25

  1. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  2. Zash


  3. Ge0rG

  4. daniel


  5. jonas’

    assuming s2s issues or somesuch for dwd

  6. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  7. jonas’

    late agenda, lazy send button.

  8. jonas’

    3) Editor's Update

  9. jonas’


  10. jonas’

    4) Items for Voting

  11. jonas’


  12. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  13. jonas’

    There was absolutely no feedback on the XEP-0060 thing on-list

  14. jonas’

    (the "purge-items" thing)

  15. Zash

    Shall we see it as no objections to an uncontroversial change then?

  16. jonas’

    I think that'd be reasonable

  17. Ge0rG


  18. jonas’

    another option is to see it as a manifestation of the summer hole

  19. daniel

    +1 one

  20. daniel


  21. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ?

  22. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I was just going to vote +1 but then you said it's just the summer hole

  23. Ge0rG

    I think I'll +1 anyway, because apparently nobody cares and it's a breaking change that makes the standards more consistent

  24. jonas’


  25. jonas’


  26. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  27. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  28. jonas’

    heads up: I may not be available in the week thereafter

  29. Zash

    +1w wfm

  30. jonas’

    since dwd is having connectivity issues or overload, please think about who of you would be ready to stand in as a chair (pun not intended), given that I'll most likely prepare an agenda

  31. daniel

    +1w wfm

  32. Dave Cridland

    I am here. Mostly.

  33. Ge0rG

    I was briefly worried that there is an upcoming Council election and the stand in chair is to stand in for more than just one meeting

  34. jonas’

    Dave Cridland, are you, though?! ;)

  35. jonas’

    Ge0rG, yeah well, that's another topic

  36. jonas’

    Ge0rG, +1w wfy?

  37. Zash

    Are you Dave Cridland though?

  38. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  39. jonas’


  40. Ge0rG

    Zash: by what definition?

  41. jonas’

    7) AOB

  42. jonas’

    There is another PR for Board which changes s/Draft/Stable/ in our documents

  43. jonas’

    just FYI, board may quite possibly ask us for input there

  44. jonas’

    (I am in favour)

  45. jonas’


  46. Ge0rG

    Do we want to make an informal vote on that change?

  47. jonas’

    we could

  48. jonas’

    raise of hands, in favour of using "Stable" terminology instead of "Draft"?

  49. Zash


  50. Ge0rG


  51. jonas’

    $ explainunicode 🤷 SHRUG

  52. Dave Cridland


  53. Ge0rG

    owait, hands...

  54. Ge0rG

  55. Zash


  56. jonas’

    *that* renders… *sigh* unicode in terminal still hard

  57. jonas’

    *that* renders… *sigh* ~unicode~ emoji in terminal still hard

  58. Zash

    I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

  59. jonas’

    okay, thanks for the input

  60. jonas’

    I'll send something to board@

  61. jonas’

    assuming no other AOB as nobody said anything about that so far and with that

  62. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  63. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  64. Zash

    Thanks all

  65. jonas’

    (ha neat, logs.xmpp.org shows my Roll Call at :00, while poezio shows it at :01 :))

  66. jonas’

    (so I actually *was* on time :))

  67. Zash

    (everything is relative ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity )

  68. Ge0rG

    everyone is a relative, too.

  69. jonas’

    Dave Cridland, could you send your vote in via email in reply to the minutes thread, please?

  70. dwd looks about in astonishment

  71. jonas’


  72. jonas’

    A tru dwd!

  73. dwd

    OK. So I know, I think, how I solved that, but I don't understand how it solved it.

  74. dwd

    Seems there's an interop problem with GCM ciphers between OpenJDK 11 and other things. I suppose. But it seems unlikely I'm first to see that, really.

  75. jonas’

    with GCM? huh.

  76. jonas’

    normally it's ecdsa with such strangities

  77. dwd

    Well, yes. COuld be specific to TLSv1.3, I imagine.

  78. Zash

    Do you TLSv1.3?

  79. dwd

    Well... Not very well?

  80. Zash

    Still can't connect from my end

  81. dwd

    To mine? I did change the DNS less than 1*TTL ago.