XMPP Council - 2021-09-15

  1. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  2. jonas’

    sorry, too early

  3. Ge0rG

    I'm hanging in a four-party phone conference about passing a bunch of UDP packets through two firewalls. No idea on the ETA, it was scheduled to end 30mins ago.

  4. jonas’

    1) Roll Call for Real

  5. daniel


  6. Ge0rG /o\

  7. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I suggest you drop the UDP packets of that four-party phone conference ;)

  8. jonas’

    do we get a Zash and/or a dwd?

  9. jonas’

    apparently not

  10. jonas’

    that's only barely quorum

  11. jonas’

    but we've got nothing to vote on anyway, so let's do this quickly

  12. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  13. jonas’

    late agenda!

  14. jonas’

    3) Editor's Update

  15. jonas’

    Nothing to report.

  16. jonas’

    4) Items for Voting

  17. jonas’


  18. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  19. jonas’

    I vote(d) +1 on the '227 version 1.1 PR.

  20. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  21. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  22. Zash

    Here now!

  23. jonas’


  24. Zash

    Making dinner and my sense of time seems to be off by 3

  25. jonas’

    do we get agreement on our next meeting? :)

  26. Zash

    +1w wfm anyhow

  27. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  28. jonas’


  29. Ge0rG

    I have an AOB

  30. jonas’

    7) AOB

  31. Ge0rG

    And there is another AOB.

  32. jonas’

    Ge0rG, go ahead please

  33. Ge0rG

    Last week, we discussed 0313, Kev was so nice to rush through an update that kinda sorta improved the "groupchat or no groupchat" question, and we decided to postpone the vote

  34. jonas’


  35. jonas’

    editor and council chair were distracted yesterday so it was not processed at all

  36. Ge0rG

    In the meantime, Zash proposed another change to the semantics of the query format which I very much approve

  37. Ge0rG

    Or at least don't disapprove as much as the trade-off suggested by Kev to get out of the mess without a namespace bump

  38. jonas’

    I don't see that proposal?

  39. Ge0rG

    jonas’: on-list, Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:15:22 +0200

  40. Zash


  41. jonas’

    oh, I didn't dig into that thread yet

  42. jonas’

    but I saw that somewhere.

  43. jonas’

    I get the impression it's just us two today, which is a bit unfortunate to discuss tis.

  44. Zash

    Also in xsf@

  45. Ge0rG

    that thread is from March!

  46. jonas’

    I get the impression it's just us two today, which is a bit unfortunate to discuss this.

  47. Ge0rG

    I have another AOB

  48. jonas’

    It probably makes most sense if we give the other council and community members a week to voice their displeasure with that approach, if any.

  49. jonas’

    Ge0rG, go ahead :)

  50. Ge0rG

    it's https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42 and specifically the https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42/diffs?commit_id=64f87e1d2ac8c60edd1355bc96ecfda25a603fc8 commit

  51. jonas’

    I need to close that gitlab repository

  52. Ge0rG

    jonas’: but it does artifact rendering!

  53. jonas’


  54. jonas’

    that's the only good thing about it

  55. jonas’

    at this point

  56. jonas’

    the stateful pipeline didn't work out as intended

  57. jonas’

    but I digress…

  58. jonas’

    Ge0rG, SGTM, I think that was discussed in the past to be a good thing™

  59. jonas’

    what's your AOB?

  60. Ge0rG

    jonas’: Council vote on that commit, then EOB

  61. jonas’

    A *vote*?

  62. jonas’

    isn't 280 experimental?

  63. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes, and I'm the author. But 0313 is also experimental and still we can't do things without a namespace bump

  64. Ge0rG

    and I want to avoid a 0280 bump for the exactly same reasons.

  65. jonas’

    it's experimental, you can do what you want there ;). I think it's reasonable though.

  66. Ge0rG

    well, I'd love to remove all that groupchat stuff from 0313, but I can't do what I want there ;)

  67. jonas’

    you're not an author of '313 ;)

  68. jonas’

    either way…

  69. jonas’

    I'm not sure we can procedurally sensibly "vote" on this, so I suggest we do a show of hands

  70. Zash

    groupchat-stuff to=bare/full jid?

  71. jonas’

    if you have concerns with the folks who're not here ask them directly I suppose.

  72. jonas’

    I'm in favour anyway.

  73. Ge0rG

    jonas’: could you add a show-of-hands of the PR onto next week's agenda please?

  74. jonas’

    Zash, daniel, in favour of https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42/diffs?commit_id=64f87e1d2ac8c60edd1355bc96ecfda25a603fc8 ?

  75. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I could do that, then we might even be able to vote on it

  76. Ge0rG

    jonas’: and I can open a github PR if it makes your life easier

  77. jonas’

    Ge0rG, it does a bit, indeed

  78. jonas’

    but now that it's on the agenda, I'll take care of it anyway

  79. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  80. Ge0rG

    jonas’: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1105

  81. jonas’


  82. jonas’

    assuming no other AOB

  83. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  84. Ge0rG

    jonas’: no other AOB, thanks

  85. jonas’

    I'll make minutes now