XMPP Council - 2021-09-15

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  141. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  142. jonas’ sorry, too early
  143. Ge0rG I'm hanging in a four-party phone conference about passing a bunch of UDP packets through two firewalls. No idea on the ETA, it was scheduled to end 30mins ago.
  144. jonas’ 1) Roll Call for Real
  145. daniel Hi
  146. Ge0rG /o\
  147. jonas’ Ge0rG, I suggest you drop the UDP packets of that four-party phone conference ;)
  148. jonas’ do we get a Zash and/or a dwd?
  149. jonas’ apparently not
  150. jonas’ that's only barely quorum
  151. jonas’ but we've got nothing to vote on anyway, so let's do this quickly
  152. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  153. jonas’ late agenda!
  154. jonas’ 3) Editor's Update
  155. jonas’ Nothing to report.
  156. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  157. jonas’ None
  158. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  159. jonas’ I vote(d) +1 on the '227 version 1.1 PR.
  160. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  161. jonas’ +1w wfm
  162. Zash Here now!
  163. jonas’ wooo
  164. Zash Making dinner and my sense of time seems to be off by 3
  165. jonas’ do we get agreement on our next meeting? :)
  166. Zash +1w wfm anyhow
  167. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  168. jonas’ \o/
  169. Ge0rG I have an AOB
  170. jonas’ 7) AOB
  171. Ge0rG And there is another AOB.
  172. jonas’ Ge0rG, go ahead please
  173. Ge0rG Last week, we discussed 0313, Kev was so nice to rush through an update that kinda sorta improved the "groupchat or no groupchat" question, and we decided to postpone the vote
  174. jonas’ yep
  175. jonas’ editor and council chair were distracted yesterday so it was not processed at all
  176. Ge0rG In the meantime, Zash proposed another change to the semantics of the query format which I very much approve
  177. Ge0rG Or at least don't disapprove as much as the trade-off suggested by Kev to get out of the mess without a namespace bump
  178. jonas’ I don't see that proposal?
  179. Ge0rG jonas’: on-list, Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:15:22 +0200
  180. Zash Email?!
  181. jonas’ oh, I didn't dig into that thread yet
  182. jonas’ but I saw that somewhere.
  183. jonas’ I get the impression it's just us two today, which is a bit unfortunate to discuss tis.
  184. Zash Also in xsf@
  185. Ge0rG that thread is from March!
  186. jonas’ I get the impression it's just us two today, which is a bit unfortunate to discuss this.
  187. Ge0rG I have another AOB
  188. jonas’ It probably makes most sense if we give the other council and community members a week to voice their displeasure with that approach, if any.
  189. jonas’ Ge0rG, go ahead :)
  190. Ge0rG it's https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42 and specifically the https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42/diffs?commit_id=64f87e1d2ac8c60edd1355bc96ecfda25a603fc8 commit
  191. jonas’ I need to close that gitlab repository
  192. Ge0rG jonas’: but it does artifact rendering!
  193. jonas’ yeah
  194. jonas’ that's the only good thing about it
  195. jonas’ at this point
  196. jonas’ the stateful pipeline didn't work out as intended
  197. jonas’ but I digress…
  198. jonas’ Ge0rG, SGTM, I think that was discussed in the past to be a good thing™
  199. jonas’ what's your AOB?
  200. Ge0rG jonas’: Council vote on that commit, then EOB
  201. jonas’ A *vote*?
  202. jonas’ isn't 280 experimental?
  203. Ge0rG jonas’: yes, and I'm the author. But 0313 is also experimental and still we can't do things without a namespace bump
  204. Ge0rG and I want to avoid a 0280 bump for the exactly same reasons.
  205. jonas’ it's experimental, you can do what you want there ;). I think it's reasonable though.
  206. Ge0rG well, I'd love to remove all that groupchat stuff from 0313, but I can't do what I want there ;)
  207. jonas’ you're not an author of '313 ;)
  208. jonas’ either way…
  209. jonas’ I'm not sure we can procedurally sensibly "vote" on this, so I suggest we do a show of hands
  210. Zash groupchat-stuff to=bare/full jid?
  211. jonas’ if you have concerns with the folks who're not here ask them directly I suppose.
  212. jonas’ I'm in favour anyway.
  213. Ge0rG jonas’: could you add a show-of-hands of the PR onto next week's agenda please?
  214. jonas’ Zash, daniel, in favour of https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/42/diffs?commit_id=64f87e1d2ac8c60edd1355bc96ecfda25a603fc8 ?
  215. jonas’ Ge0rG, I could do that, then we might even be able to vote on it
  216. Ge0rG jonas’: and I can open a github PR if it makes your life easier
  217. jonas’ Ge0rG, it does a bit, indeed
  218. jonas’ but now that it's on the agenda, I'll take care of it anyway
  219. jonas’ any other AOB?
  220. Ge0rG jonas’: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1105
  221. jonas’ thanks
  222. jonas’ assuming no other AOB
  223. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  224. Ge0rG jonas’: no other AOB, thanks
  225. jonas’ I'll make minutes now
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