ZashI think that ought to be discussed on the list a bit
jonas’I think deprecation of a compat mechanism should only happen once the main thing is obsoleted.
Ge0rGpraises the Editor
jonas’Zash, also valid
jonas’any other opinions on this one?
Ge0rGI agree with jonas’ on that.
Ge0rGAlso compat mechanisms often survive very long.
daniel> Bookmarks 2 defines its own conversion mechanism but the adoption of Bookmarks 2 - at the time of writing this XEP - is questionable.
This hasn't really changed...
jonas’Ge0rG, well, that they *survive* for long is no reason not to deprecate them
dwdI, too, agree with jonas’ - a compat mechanism isn't deprecated just because the thing it's enabling compatibility with is deprecated. It exists *because* the old bookmarks was deprecated, in a lot of ways.
danielI mean I also would like bookmarks 2 to be more of a thing. I'm not sure depreciating the conversion xep is a good way to achieve that
jonas’note that '411 converts between private XML and the single-node PEP storage, not between private XML and bookmarks 2.0✎
jonas’note that '411 converts between private XML and the single-node PEP storage, not between private XML and bookmarks 2.0 (a.k.a. '402) ✏
Ge0rGsomebody should draw a conversion flowchart.
ZashObservation: '0411 is mentioned in the compliance suite
jonas’with the realization that '411 is actually converting between two different formats of '48
jonas’I think that it actually makes sense to deprecate it
jonas’with just the rationale that '48 is deprecated
ZashI looked at the bookmarks (2) situation a few weeks ago and uh, it _would_ be nice if something could be pushed forward there.
jonas’what point is there to have '411 when '48 is deprecated, given that '411 has no interaction with anything except '48?
jonas’'411 has absolutely nothing to do with '405 (bookmarks 2)
jonas’I am +1 on deprecation.
dwdHmmm. So yes, I had it in my head it converted to bookmarks2.
jonas’(although it indeed also has nothing to do with '405 ;))
Ge0rGXEP-0402 has undefined status "Draft"
jonas’there's a bug there, thanks
dwdSo... I'm likely to vote +1 to deprecate I think, but it would be nice to run this past the list.
jonas’anyway, does anyone else want to cast votes on the '411 deprecation now?
jonas’okay, two voices for running it past the list
Ge0rGI'm on-list pending list discussion
jonas’let's do the list thing then
jonas’5) Pending Votes
ZashCompliance Suite votes?
jonas’There has been more late LC feedback on '459
jonas’yes, only I'm missing
jonas’I think I'd like to see that incorporated before advancement
Ge0rGsome of my feedback got strong counter-arguments
ZashI think it's a bit weird to have all the changes go in an LC feedback updates
jonas’Zash, my point being that any future change would be gated by Council
jonas’and I don't think that's beneficial for anyone involved
jonas’do you folks thinks that advancing while there's still open discussions is good in the case of '459?
ZashI'm not opposed to extending while waiting for discussions to settle down
jonas’okay, I'd be more comfortable with that
ZashAltho, it's been quiet for almost a week aready
jonas’in that case stuff should be integrated in my opinon
jonas’before we advance
Ge0rGDid anybody hear from the author?
jonas’I'm gonna poke them
jonas’let's extend the voting period by +1w on this one, and I'll poke the list and the author