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jonas’
15:00:01
Welcome to today's session of the MPP Council
jonas’
15:00:03
1) Roll Call
Ge0rG
15:00:13
What does MPP stand for?
Zash
15:00:16
Oh look at the time
jonas’
15:00:17
nobody knows
Zash
15:00:34
where we decide the fate of EPs
daniel
15:00:41
Hi
jonas’
15:01:09
do we get a dwd?
jonas’
15:01:33
let's see
jonas’
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2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’
15:01:43
I seem to have sent an agenda this time, which is good
Zash
15:01:49
You dropped something
jonas’
15:01:54
please raise any complaints and additions during the session
jonas’
15:01:57
3) Editor's Update
jonas’
15:02:00
Nothing in particular
jonas’
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4) Items for Voting
jonas’
15:02:09
4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0313
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html
With the LC feedback integrated, let's vote on it!
Ge0rG
15:02:12
I'm frightened by that.
jonas’
15:02:12
+1. ✎
jonas’
15:02:23
+1 for advancing '313. ✏
daniel
15:02:25
+1
Zash
15:02:32
+1
jonas’
15:03:20
(oh no, Ge0rG is typing)
Ge0rG
15:03:22
-0. I've promised not to block this XEP, and it's an urgently needed thing that's widely implemented, but it's still far away from a good XEP.
jonas’
15:03:34
thanks
jonas’
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no dwd, so moving on
jonas’
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5) Pending Votes
jonas’
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none, afaik
jonas’
15:03:55
6) Date of Next
Ge0rG
15:03:58
I'm glad that parts of my LC feedback were addressed, but I wish I could see all the other loose ends come together.
dwd
15:04:01
Ugh, sorry.
jonas’
15:04:04
oh, a dwd
dwd
15:04:08
But you're also moving very fast. :-)
jonas’
15:04:21
dwd, must be the sugar rush from the hot chocolate I made just now :)
Ge0rG
15:04:46
dwd: your last chance to let 0313 have as many LCs as 0280.
dwd
15:04:49
+1 to advance '313. For a terrible XEP, it certainly seems like a lot of people rely on it.
jonas’
15:05:00
there we go, '313 done
Zash
15:05:05
ÄNTLIGEN! 🎉️
jonas’
15:05:12
how long were those in the making? longer than we had Angela Merkel?
jonas’
15:05:18
the year of the changes it seems.
Ge0rG
15:05:35
jonas’: the first LC of 0280 I took part in was in 2015.
jonas’
15:05:50
first version of 313 was 2012
jonas’
15:06:07
so only a bit more than half a Merkel era
daniel
15:06:07
That's only 0.5 angelas
jonas’
15:06:10
^5
dwd
15:06:23
I recall '280 being proposed by Joe Hildebrand in, the 1970s.
dwd
15:06:30
Maybe.
Zash
15:06:56
What thing from the '60s should we invent next?
jonas’
15:07:34
daylight saving time!
dwd
15:07:37
I'm thinking of proposing a new round form of rotating locomotive device.
jonas’
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6) Date of Next
jonas’
15:07:59
+1w on the calendar, noting that we have a DST failover this weekend
jonas’
15:08:18
meaning that the next meeting would be on 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z
jonas’
15:08:33
while looking at the date, I notice that I may actually be AFK on that afternoon
Ge0rG
15:08:41
Did UK exit from DST?
jonas’
15:08:42
nothing stops me from preparing an agenda though
Ge0rG
15:08:57
jonas’: the MPP Council would be very grateful.
jonas’
15:09:08
:)
jonas’
15:09:19
everyone in for 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z other than that?
Ge0rG
15:09:20
jonas’: are there any news re Compliance Suite 2022?
jonas’
15:09:32
Ge0rG, no, let's AOB that one
Zash
15:09:32
wfm
Ge0rG
15:09:56
sounds good
jonas’
15:10:30
daniel, dwd, 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z works for you, too?
dwd
15:10:37
Oh, yes.
daniel
15:10:38
Yes
jonas’
15:10:41
perfect
jonas’
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7) AOB
jonas’
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7a) CS-2022
jonas’
15:11:13
author promised an update by the end of last week, didn't happen and I was preoccupied with other stuff so I didn't follow up until just now
jonas’
15:11:17
no reply yet, unsurprisingly
Ge0rG
15:12:19
We still have a few more weeks until The Election.
jonas’
15:12:25
we do
jonas’
15:12:28
let's see how this goes
jonas’
15:12:32
7b) Elections
jonas’
15:12:33
speaking of
Ge0rG
15:12:36
I suggest pi...
jonas’
15:12:41
Ge0rG, suggest what?
jonas’
15:12:48
sorry to have cut you off
jonas’
15:12:56
(should keep an eye on typing notifications…)
Ge0rG
15:12:58
jonas’: you are way too fast. How much coffeine was in that chocolate?
dwd
15:13:01
He suggests Pi.
jonas’
15:13:04
Ge0rG, none, but lots of sugar
Zash
15:13:13
caffeinated chocolate?
Ge0rG
15:13:39
I suggest pinging the author again and kindly ask them to finish until next Council, or to approve a document shepherd
jonas’
15:13:48
I pinged them jus now :) ✎
jonas’
15:13:50
I pinged them just now :) ✏
jonas’
15:13:52
(as I wrote above)
jonas’
15:14:17
I'm going to try to stay on top of things this week, second half of last week was "fun" for $reasons.
Ge0rG
15:14:21
Ah, the "until just now" part was too subtle for me.
jonas’
15:14:40
:)
Ge0rG
15:14:55
I still volunteer to shepherd, but it would be good to have a few days advance notice so that I can actually prepare a PR.
jonas’
15:15:01
Ge0rG, ack
jonas’
15:15:24
Ge0rG, as a fallback, would you watch xsf/xeps for a PR against 2022, and if there's nothing until friday ping me about it again?
jonas’
15:15:35
(which means it's good enough if you just check on friday)
Ge0rG
15:15:39
November 10th is the point of no return for accepting it, right?
jonas’
15:15:50
yes
Ge0rG
15:15:53
jonas’: I can manage that, yes.
jonas’
15:15:57
for starting the vote to accept it
jonas’
15:16:02
Ge0rG, thanks!
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alright
jonas’
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7b) Elections
jonas’
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I hear we haven'g got ✎
Ge0rG
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jonas’
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I hear we haven't got any candidate standing yet ✏
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jonas’
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I intend to run, but by now am pretty sure that I don't want to chair again.
jonas’
15:17:01
just as a heads up
jonas’
15:17:25
judging from the comments in xsf@, we do need to start an explicit recruiting effort.
jonas’
15:17:45
I'm going to send a mail to the list for that
Ge0rG
15:18:01
Technically, the chair doesn't need to be a Council member. They could be an outside bureaucrat.
jonas’
15:18:14
interesting
dwd
15:18:17
Ge0rG, That's not true for Council, AFAIK.
Zash
15:18:29
Make memberbot do it!
Ge0rG
15:18:30
Bummer.
jonas’
15:18:32
but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challeng ✎
jonas’
15:18:39
but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challenge ✏
dwd
15:18:45
Ge0rG, It *is* true for Board, though.
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dwd
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But I think it would be surprising.
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15:20:52
Well, I also intend to run but don't have the time capacity to chair.
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dwd
15:21:25
Ge0rG, If you do intend to run it would be useful to put your name on the page.
dwd
15:21:44
Ge0rG, There's a much greater likelihood of having more people on if someone starts the list going.
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dwd
15:22:29
Same goes for you, jonas’.
Zash
15:22:40
Quietly paste the entire membership list into the election page, and whoever doesn't yell NO! quickly enough gets to Council. Just like in all the other organizations and associations I've been in. 🙂
Ge0rG
15:22:46
dwd: that was the most convincing argument so far. I've added my name to the list.
jonas’
15:22:56
dwd, done!
jonas’
15:24:11
any other AOB?
Zash
15:24:16
none from me
jonas’
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7c) Don't give Jonas hot chocolate right before meeting time
jonas’
15:24:25
duly noted.
jonas’
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8) Ite Meeting Est
Ge0rG
15:24:42
Thanks jonas’
jonas’
15:24:44
thanks everyone, thanks Tedd
daniel
15:24:48
Thanks jonas’
Zash
15:24:48
Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
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Where's that standards@ muc this mucs description is talking about? Is that a private one?
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