XMPP Council - 2021-10-27

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  233. jonas’

    Welcome to today's session of the MPP Council

  234. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  235. Ge0rG

    What does MPP stand for?

  236. Zash

    Oh look at the time

  237. jonas’

    nobody knows

  238. Zash

    where we decide the fate of EPs

  239. daniel


  240. jonas’

    do we get a dwd?

  241. jonas’

    let's see

  242. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  243. jonas’

    I seem to have sent an agenda this time, which is good

  244. Zash

    You dropped something

  245. jonas’

    please raise any complaints and additions during the session

  246. jonas’

    3) Editor's Update

  247. jonas’

    Nothing in particular

  248. jonas’

    4) Items for Voting

  249. jonas’

    4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0313 URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html With the LC feedback integrated, let's vote on it!

  250. Ge0rG

    I'm frightened by that.

  251. jonas’


  252. jonas’

    +1 for advancing '313.

  253. daniel


  254. Zash


  255. jonas’

    (oh no, Ge0rG is typing)

  256. Ge0rG

    -0. I've promised not to block this XEP, and it's an urgently needed thing that's widely implemented, but it's still far away from a good XEP.

  257. jonas’


  258. jonas’

    no dwd, so moving on

  259. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  260. jonas’

    none, afaik

  261. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  262. Ge0rG

    I'm glad that parts of my LC feedback were addressed, but I wish I could see all the other loose ends come together.

  263. dwd

    Ugh, sorry.

  264. jonas’

    oh, a dwd

  265. dwd

    But you're also moving very fast. :-)

  266. jonas’

    dwd, must be the sugar rush from the hot chocolate I made just now :)

  267. Ge0rG

    dwd: your last chance to let 0313 have as many LCs as 0280.

  268. dwd

    +1 to advance '313. For a terrible XEP, it certainly seems like a lot of people rely on it.

  269. jonas’

    there we go, '313 done

  270. Zash

    ÄNTLIGEN! 🎉️

  271. jonas’

    how long were those in the making? longer than we had Angela Merkel?

  272. jonas’

    the year of the changes it seems.

  273. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the first LC of 0280 I took part in was in 2015.

  274. jonas’

    first version of 313 was 2012

  275. jonas’

    so only a bit more than half a Merkel era

  276. daniel

    That's only 0.5 angelas

  277. jonas’


  278. dwd

    I recall '280 being proposed by Joe Hildebrand in, the 1970s.

  279. dwd


  280. Zash

    What thing from the '60s should we invent next?

  281. jonas’

    daylight saving time!

  282. dwd

    I'm thinking of proposing a new round form of rotating locomotive device.

  283. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  284. jonas’

    +1w on the calendar, noting that we have a DST failover this weekend

  285. jonas’

    meaning that the next meeting would be on 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z

  286. jonas’

    while looking at the date, I notice that I may actually be AFK on that afternoon

  287. Ge0rG

    Did UK exit from DST?

  288. jonas’

    nothing stops me from preparing an agenda though

  289. Ge0rG

    jonas’: the MPP Council would be very grateful.

  290. jonas’


  291. jonas’

    everyone in for 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z other than that?

  292. Ge0rG

    jonas’: are there any news re Compliance Suite 2022?

  293. jonas’

    Ge0rG, no, let's AOB that one

  294. Zash


  295. Ge0rG

    sounds good

  296. jonas’

    daniel, dwd, 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z works for you, too?

  297. dwd

    Oh, yes.

  298. daniel


  299. jonas’


  300. jonas’

    7) AOB

  301. jonas’

    7a) CS-2022

  302. jonas’

    author promised an update by the end of last week, didn't happen and I was preoccupied with other stuff so I didn't follow up until just now

  303. jonas’

    no reply yet, unsurprisingly

  304. Ge0rG

    We still have a few more weeks until The Election.

  305. jonas’

    we do

  306. jonas’

    let's see how this goes

  307. jonas’

    7b) Elections

  308. jonas’

    speaking of

  309. Ge0rG

    I suggest pi...

  310. jonas’

    Ge0rG, suggest what?

  311. jonas’

    sorry to have cut you off

  312. jonas’

    (should keep an eye on typing notifications…)

  313. Ge0rG

    jonas’: you are way too fast. How much coffeine was in that chocolate?

  314. dwd

    He suggests Pi.

  315. jonas’

    Ge0rG, none, but lots of sugar

  316. Zash

    caffeinated chocolate?

  317. Ge0rG

    I suggest pinging the author again and kindly ask them to finish until next Council, or to approve a document shepherd

  318. jonas’

    I pinged them jus now :)

  319. jonas’

    I pinged them just now :)

  320. jonas’

    (as I wrote above)

  321. jonas’

    I'm going to try to stay on top of things this week, second half of last week was "fun" for $reasons.

  322. Ge0rG

    Ah, the "until just now" part was too subtle for me.

  323. jonas’


  324. Ge0rG

    I still volunteer to shepherd, but it would be good to have a few days advance notice so that I can actually prepare a PR.

  325. jonas’

    Ge0rG, ack

  326. jonas’

    Ge0rG, as a fallback, would you watch xsf/xeps for a PR against 2022, and if there's nothing until friday ping me about it again?

  327. jonas’

    (which means it's good enough if you just check on friday)

  328. Ge0rG

    November 10th is the point of no return for accepting it, right?

  329. jonas’


  330. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I can manage that, yes.

  331. jonas’

    for starting the vote to accept it

  332. jonas’

    Ge0rG, thanks!

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  335. jonas’


  336. jonas’

    7b) Elections

  337. jonas’

    I hear we haven'g got

  338. Ge0rG adds cryptic note to calendar

  339. jonas’

    I hear we haven't got any candidate standing yet

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  342. jonas’

    I intend to run, but by now am pretty sure that I don't want to chair again.

  343. jonas’

    just as a heads up

  344. jonas’

    judging from the comments in xsf@, we do need to start an explicit recruiting effort.

  345. jonas’

    I'm going to send a mail to the list for that

  346. Ge0rG

    Technically, the chair doesn't need to be a Council member. They could be an outside bureaucrat.

  347. jonas’


  348. dwd

    Ge0rG, That's not true for Council, AFAIK.

  349. Zash

    Make memberbot do it!

  350. Ge0rG


  351. jonas’

    but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challeng

  352. jonas’

    but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challenge

  353. dwd

    Ge0rG, It *is* true for Board, though.

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  356. dwd

    But I think it would be surprising.

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  361. Ge0rG

    Well, I also intend to run but don't have the time capacity to chair.

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  364. dwd

    Ge0rG, If you do intend to run it would be useful to put your name on the page.

  365. dwd

    Ge0rG, There's a much greater likelihood of having more people on if someone starts the list going.

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  368. dwd

    Same goes for you, jonas’.

  369. Zash

    Quietly paste the entire membership list into the election page, and whoever doesn't yell NO! quickly enough gets to Council. Just like in all the other organizations and associations I've been in. 🙂

  370. Ge0rG

    dwd: that was the most convincing argument so far. I've added my name to the list.

  371. jonas’

    dwd, done!

  372. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  373. Zash

    none from me

  374. jonas’

    7c) Don't give Jonas hot chocolate right before meeting time

  375. jonas’

    duly noted.

  376. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  377. Ge0rG

    Thanks jonas’

  378. jonas’

    thanks everyone, thanks Tedd

  379. daniel

    Thanks jonas’

  380. Zash

    Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!

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    Where's that standards@ muc this mucs description is talking about? Is that a private one?

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