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15:00:01 jonas’
Welcome to today's session of the MPP Council
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1) Roll Call
15:00:13 Ge0rG
What does MPP stand for?
15:00:16 Zash
Oh look at the time
15:00:17 jonas’
nobody knows
15:00:34 Zash
where we decide the fate of EPs
15:00:41 daniel
Hi
15:01:09 jonas’
do we get a dwd?
15:01:33 jonas’
let's see
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2) Agenda Bashing
15:01:43 jonas’
I seem to have sent an agenda this time, which is good
15:01:49 Zash
You dropped something
15:01:54 jonas’
please raise any complaints and additions during the session
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3) Editor's Update
15:02:00 jonas’
Nothing in particular
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4) Items for Voting
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4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0313
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html
With the LC feedback integrated, let's vote on it!
15:02:12 Ge0rG
I'm frightened by that.
15:02:12 jonas’
+1. ✎
15:02:23 jonas’
+1 for advancing '313. ✏
15:02:25 daniel
+1
15:02:32 Zash
+1
15:03:20 jonas’
(oh no, Ge0rG is typing)
15:03:22 Ge0rG
-0. I've promised not to block this XEP, and it's an urgently needed thing that's widely implemented, but it's still far away from a good XEP.
15:03:34 jonas’
thanks
15:03:37 jonas’
no dwd, so moving on
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5) Pending Votes
15:03:52 jonas’
none, afaik
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6) Date of Next
15:03:58 Ge0rG
I'm glad that parts of my LC feedback were addressed, but I wish I could see all the other loose ends come together.
15:04:01 dwd
Ugh, sorry.
15:04:04 jonas’
oh, a dwd
15:04:08 dwd
But you're also moving very fast. :-)
15:04:21 jonas’
dwd, must be the sugar rush from the hot chocolate I made just now :)
15:04:46 Ge0rG
dwd: your last chance to let 0313 have as many LCs as 0280.
15:04:49 dwd
+1 to advance '313. For a terrible XEP, it certainly seems like a lot of people rely on it.
15:05:00 jonas’
there we go, '313 done
15:05:05 Zash
ÄNTLIGEN! 🎉️
15:05:12 jonas’
how long were those in the making? longer than we had Angela Merkel?
15:05:18 jonas’
the year of the changes it seems.
15:05:35 Ge0rG
jonas’: the first LC of 0280 I took part in was in 2015.
15:05:50 jonas’
first version of 313 was 2012
15:06:07 jonas’
so only a bit more than half a Merkel era
15:06:07 daniel
That's only 0.5 angelas
15:06:10 jonas’
^5
15:06:23 dwd
I recall '280 being proposed by Joe Hildebrand in, the 1970s.
15:06:30 dwd
Maybe.
15:06:56 Zash
What thing from the '60s should we invent next?
15:07:34 jonas’
daylight saving time!
15:07:37 dwd
I'm thinking of proposing a new round form of rotating locomotive device.
15:07:46 jonas’
6) Date of Next
15:07:59 jonas’
+1w on the calendar, noting that we have a DST failover this weekend
15:08:18 jonas’
meaning that the next meeting would be on 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z
15:08:33 jonas’
while looking at the date, I notice that I may actually be AFK on that afternoon
15:08:41 Ge0rG
Did UK exit from DST?
15:08:42 jonas’
nothing stops me from preparing an agenda though
15:08:57 Ge0rG
jonas’: the MPP Council would be very grateful.
15:09:08 jonas’
:)
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everyone in for 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z other than that?
15:09:20 Ge0rG
jonas’: are there any news re Compliance Suite 2022?
15:09:32 jonas’
Ge0rG, no, let's AOB that one
15:09:32 Zash
wfm
15:09:56 Ge0rG
sounds good
15:10:30 jonas’
daniel, dwd, 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z works for you, too?
15:10:37 dwd
Oh, yes.
15:10:38 daniel
Yes
15:10:41 jonas’
perfect
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7) AOB
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7a) CS-2022
15:11:13 jonas’
author promised an update by the end of last week, didn't happen and I was preoccupied with other stuff so I didn't follow up until just now
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no reply yet, unsurprisingly
15:12:19 Ge0rG
We still have a few more weeks until The Election.
15:12:25 jonas’
we do
15:12:28 jonas’
let's see how this goes
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7b) Elections
15:12:33 jonas’
speaking of
15:12:36 Ge0rG
I suggest pi...
15:12:41 jonas’
Ge0rG, suggest what?
15:12:48 jonas’
sorry to have cut you off
15:12:56 jonas’
(should keep an eye on typing notifications…)
15:12:58 Ge0rG
jonas’: you are way too fast. How much coffeine was in that chocolate?
15:13:01 dwd
He suggests Pi.
15:13:04 jonas’
Ge0rG, none, but lots of sugar
15:13:13 Zash
caffeinated chocolate?
15:13:39 Ge0rG
I suggest pinging the author again and kindly ask them to finish until next Council, or to approve a document shepherd
15:13:48 jonas’
I pinged them jus now :) ✎
15:13:50 jonas’
I pinged them just now :) ✏
15:13:52 jonas’
(as I wrote above)
15:14:17 jonas’
I'm going to try to stay on top of things this week, second half of last week was "fun" for $reasons.
15:14:21 Ge0rG
Ah, the "until just now" part was too subtle for me.
15:14:40 jonas’
:)
15:14:55 Ge0rG
I still volunteer to shepherd, but it would be good to have a few days advance notice so that I can actually prepare a PR.
15:15:01 jonas’
Ge0rG, ack
15:15:24 jonas’
Ge0rG, as a fallback, would you watch xsf/xeps for a PR against 2022, and if there's nothing until friday ping me about it again?
15:15:35 jonas’
(which means it's good enough if you just check on friday)
15:15:39 Ge0rG
November 10th is the point of no return for accepting it, right?
15:15:50 jonas’
yes
15:15:53 Ge0rG
jonas’: I can manage that, yes.
15:15:57 jonas’
for starting the vote to accept it
15:16:02 jonas’
Ge0rG, thanks!
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alright
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7b) Elections
15:16:35 jonas’
I hear we haven'g got ✎
15:16:35 Ge0rG
adds cryptic note to calendar
15:16:44 jonas’
I hear we haven't got any candidate standing yet ✏
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I intend to run, but by now am pretty sure that I don't want to chair again.
15:17:01 jonas’
just as a heads up
15:17:25 jonas’
judging from the comments in xsf@, we do need to start an explicit recruiting effort.
15:17:45 jonas’
I'm going to send a mail to the list for that
15:18:01 Ge0rG
Technically, the chair doesn't need to be a Council member. They could be an outside bureaucrat.
15:18:14 jonas’
interesting
15:18:17 dwd
Ge0rG, That's not true for Council, AFAIK.
15:18:29 Zash
Make memberbot do it!
15:18:30 Ge0rG
Bummer.
15:18:32 jonas’
but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challeng ✎
15:18:39 jonas’
but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challenge ✏
15:18:45 dwd
Ge0rG, It *is* true for Board, though.
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But I think it would be surprising.
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15:20:52 Ge0rG
Well, I also intend to run but don't have the time capacity to chair.
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15:21:25 dwd
Ge0rG, If you do intend to run it would be useful to put your name on the page.
15:21:44 dwd
Ge0rG, There's a much greater likelihood of having more people on if someone starts the list going.
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15:22:29 dwd
Same goes for you, jonas’.
15:22:40 Zash
Quietly paste the entire membership list into the election page, and whoever doesn't yell NO! quickly enough gets to Council. Just like in all the other organizations and associations I've been in. 🙂
15:22:46 Ge0rG
dwd: that was the most convincing argument so far. I've added my name to the list.
15:22:56 jonas’
dwd, done!
15:24:11 jonas’
any other AOB?
15:24:16 Zash
none from me
15:24:24 jonas’
7c) Don't give Jonas hot chocolate right before meeting time
15:24:25 jonas’
duly noted.
15:24:39 jonas’
8) Ite Meeting Est
15:24:42 Ge0rG
Thanks jonas’
15:24:44 jonas’
thanks everyone, thanks Tedd
15:24:48 daniel
Thanks jonas’
15:24:48 Zash
Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
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22:27:40 me9
Where's that standards@ muc this mucs description is talking about? Is that a private one?
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