XMPP Council - 2021-10-27


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  233. jonas’ Welcome to today's session of the MPP Council
  234. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  235. Ge0rG What does MPP stand for?
  236. Zash Oh look at the time
  237. jonas’ nobody knows
  238. Zash where we decide the fate of EPs
  239. daniel Hi
  240. jonas’ do we get a dwd?
  241. jonas’ let's see
  242. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  243. jonas’ I seem to have sent an agenda this time, which is good
  244. Zash You dropped something
  245. jonas’ please raise any complaints and additions during the session
  246. jonas’ 3) Editor's Update
  247. jonas’ Nothing in particular
  248. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  249. jonas’ 4a) Decide on Advancement of XEP-0313 URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html With the LC feedback integrated, let's vote on it!
  250. Ge0rG I'm frightened by that.
  251. jonas’ +1.
  252. jonas’ +1 for advancing '313.
  253. daniel +1
  254. Zash +1
  255. jonas’ (oh no, Ge0rG is typing)
  256. Ge0rG -0. I've promised not to block this XEP, and it's an urgently needed thing that's widely implemented, but it's still far away from a good XEP.
  257. jonas’ thanks
  258. jonas’ no dwd, so moving on
  259. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  260. jonas’ none, afaik
  261. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  262. Ge0rG I'm glad that parts of my LC feedback were addressed, but I wish I could see all the other loose ends come together.
  263. dwd Ugh, sorry.
  264. jonas’ oh, a dwd
  265. dwd But you're also moving very fast. :-)
  266. jonas’ dwd, must be the sugar rush from the hot chocolate I made just now :)
  267. Ge0rG dwd: your last chance to let 0313 have as many LCs as 0280.
  268. dwd +1 to advance '313. For a terrible XEP, it certainly seems like a lot of people rely on it.
  269. jonas’ there we go, '313 done
  270. Zash ÄNTLIGEN! 🎉️
  271. jonas’ how long were those in the making? longer than we had Angela Merkel?
  272. jonas’ the year of the changes it seems.
  273. Ge0rG jonas’: the first LC of 0280 I took part in was in 2015.
  274. jonas’ first version of 313 was 2012
  275. jonas’ so only a bit more than half a Merkel era
  276. daniel That's only 0.5 angelas
  277. jonas’ ^5
  278. dwd I recall '280 being proposed by Joe Hildebrand in, the 1970s.
  279. dwd Maybe.
  280. Zash What thing from the '60s should we invent next?
  281. jonas’ daylight saving time!
  282. dwd I'm thinking of proposing a new round form of rotating locomotive device.
  283. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  284. jonas’ +1w on the calendar, noting that we have a DST failover this weekend
  285. jonas’ meaning that the next meeting would be on 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z
  286. jonas’ while looking at the date, I notice that I may actually be AFK on that afternoon
  287. Ge0rG Did UK exit from DST?
  288. jonas’ nothing stops me from preparing an agenda though
  289. Ge0rG jonas’: the MPP Council would be very grateful.
  290. jonas’ :)
  291. jonas’ everyone in for 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z other than that?
  292. Ge0rG jonas’: are there any news re Compliance Suite 2022?
  293. jonas’ Ge0rG, no, let's AOB that one
  294. Zash wfm
  295. Ge0rG sounds good
  296. jonas’ daniel, dwd, 2021-11-03 16:00:00Z works for you, too?
  297. dwd Oh, yes.
  298. daniel Yes
  299. jonas’ perfect
  300. jonas’ 7) AOB
  301. jonas’ 7a) CS-2022
  302. jonas’ author promised an update by the end of last week, didn't happen and I was preoccupied with other stuff so I didn't follow up until just now
  303. jonas’ no reply yet, unsurprisingly
  304. Ge0rG We still have a few more weeks until The Election.
  305. jonas’ we do
  306. jonas’ let's see how this goes
  307. jonas’ 7b) Elections
  308. jonas’ speaking of
  309. Ge0rG I suggest pi...
  310. jonas’ Ge0rG, suggest what?
  311. jonas’ sorry to have cut you off
  312. jonas’ (should keep an eye on typing notifications…)
  313. Ge0rG jonas’: you are way too fast. How much coffeine was in that chocolate?
  314. dwd He suggests Pi.
  315. jonas’ Ge0rG, none, but lots of sugar
  316. Zash caffeinated chocolate?
  317. Ge0rG I suggest pinging the author again and kindly ask them to finish until next Council, or to approve a document shepherd
  318. jonas’ I pinged them jus now :)
  319. jonas’ I pinged them just now :)
  320. jonas’ (as I wrote above)
  321. jonas’ I'm going to try to stay on top of things this week, second half of last week was "fun" for $reasons.
  322. Ge0rG Ah, the "until just now" part was too subtle for me.
  323. jonas’ :)
  324. Ge0rG I still volunteer to shepherd, but it would be good to have a few days advance notice so that I can actually prepare a PR.
  325. jonas’ Ge0rG, ack
  326. jonas’ Ge0rG, as a fallback, would you watch xsf/xeps for a PR against 2022, and if there's nothing until friday ping me about it again?
  327. jonas’ (which means it's good enough if you just check on friday)
  328. Ge0rG November 10th is the point of no return for accepting it, right?
  329. jonas’ yes
  330. Ge0rG jonas’: I can manage that, yes.
  331. jonas’ for starting the vote to accept it
  332. jonas’ Ge0rG, thanks!
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  335. jonas’ alright
  336. jonas’ 7b) Elections
  337. jonas’ I hear we haven'g got
  338. Ge0rG adds cryptic note to calendar
  339. jonas’ I hear we haven't got any candidate standing yet
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  342. jonas’ I intend to run, but by now am pretty sure that I don't want to chair again.
  343. jonas’ just as a heads up
  344. jonas’ judging from the comments in xsf@, we do need to start an explicit recruiting effort.
  345. jonas’ I'm going to send a mail to the list for that
  346. Ge0rG Technically, the chair doesn't need to be a Council member. They could be an outside bureaucrat.
  347. jonas’ interesting
  348. dwd Ge0rG, That's not true for Council, AFAIK.
  349. Zash Make memberbot do it!
  350. Ge0rG Bummer.
  351. jonas’ but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challeng
  352. jonas’ but even if -- getting a sixth person to appear reliably at meetings sounds like quite a challenge
  353. dwd Ge0rG, It *is* true for Board, though.
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  356. dwd But I think it would be surprising.
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  361. Ge0rG Well, I also intend to run but don't have the time capacity to chair.
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  364. dwd Ge0rG, If you do intend to run it would be useful to put your name on the page.
  365. dwd Ge0rG, There's a much greater likelihood of having more people on if someone starts the list going.
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  368. dwd Same goes for you, jonas’.
  369. Zash Quietly paste the entire membership list into the election page, and whoever doesn't yell NO! quickly enough gets to Council. Just like in all the other organizations and associations I've been in. 🙂
  370. Ge0rG dwd: that was the most convincing argument so far. I've added my name to the list.
  371. jonas’ dwd, done!
  372. jonas’ any other AOB?
  373. Zash none from me
  374. jonas’ 7c) Don't give Jonas hot chocolate right before meeting time
  375. jonas’ duly noted.
  376. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  377. Ge0rG Thanks jonas’
  378. jonas’ thanks everyone, thanks Tedd
  379. daniel Thanks jonas’
  380. Zash Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
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  446. me9 Where's that standards@ muc this mucs description is talking about? Is that a private one?
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