XMPP Council - 2021-11-03

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  125. jonas’ projection indicates I'm not going to be here at meeting time, but you've got an agenda to work with I think :)
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  128. Zash Beep
  129. daniel it's time
  130. Zash 1) Roll Call
  131. daniel i'm here
  132. Zash I'm ... chairing?
  133. daniel yes
  134. Zash dwd, ?
  135. Ge0rG I'm semi there
  136. jonas’ .
  137. Zash 2 and a half?
  138. jonas’ I'm actually here
  139. Zash wanna take over?
  140. jonas’ so I can also take the chair if you like
  141. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  142. dwd I've a meeting overrun but I'm vaguely here.
  143. jonas’ please note any amendments to the agenda inline
  144. jonas’ 3) Editor's Update
  145. jonas’ I see that we have XEP-0313 stable
  146. jonas’ congrats again to MattJ and Kev and everyone involved in this :)
  147. dwd (I am now fully here)
  148. jonas’ \o/
  149. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  150. jonas’ 4a) Decide on advancement of XEP-0459 (Compliance Suites 2022) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0459.html
  151. jonas’ there was an update
  152. Ge0rG This has been an awesome year for the XSF
  153. Zash I was just looking at the update
  154. Ge0rG +1. I don't like the removal of "Core" very much, but not going to die on that hill
  155. daniel +1
  156. Zash Was that all that came out of what discussions there were?
  157. jonas’ +1, not going to die on any CS-2022 hill :)
  158. Ge0rG Zash: it was all that was not contested
  159. Zash +1
  160. dwd +1, why not.
  161. jonas’ best rationale ever
  162. jonas’ noted
  163. jonas’ thanks everyone :)
  164. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  165. jonas’ +1w wfm
  166. Zash +1w wfm
  167. dwd +1wwfm
  168. daniel +1w wfm
  169. jonas’ did we lose Ge0rG ?
  170. jonas’ 6) AOB
  171. jonas’ we've got a fresh application for council
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  173. jonas’ which is nice
  174. dwd Yes.
  175. jonas’ (6a) Election Season)
  176. Zash to council, or not to council, that is the question
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  178. dwd I'd feel happier if we had more candidates with server experience.
  179. jonas’ agreed
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  181. daniel > I'd feel happier if we had more candidates
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  183. dwd I wonder if we can persuade Holger or Guus to throw their hat in the ring?
  184. jonas’ oho
  185. dwd daniel, That, too.
  186. jonas’ Holger for council
  187. jonas’ dwd, I'm not sure actually
  188. jonas’ abotu the "more candidates"
  189. dwd jonas’, More than 4 would be very useful.
  190. jonas’ well, yes
  191. jonas’ but not more than five necessarily
  192. dwd jonas’, Well, elections are better when contested, I feel.
  193. jonas’ I think that makes it less likely for newcomers to join the Council
  194. jonas’ Marvin would be well-suited, but he's not managed to get in twice
  195. jonas’ Marvin would be well-suited in my opinion, but he's not managed to get in twice
  196. Zash More of a board question, but have we considered election preparation committees?
  197. jonas’ and I'm not sure how much of that is because some of us get the bonus of "have done the job before"
  198. Zash Or whatever it's called
  199. dwd Zash, What are those?
  200. Zash Group responsible for putting forward a proposal for boards and the like.
  201. dwd Zash, Like the IETF's NomCom? Or something else?
  202. jonas’ nomnom
  203. Zash With consideration beyond individual popularity, like having a group that would work together, be representative of the membership or whatever.
  204. jonas’ hmm
  205. Zash Common in all sorts of organizations here
  206. daniel in a perfect world: yes. in the reality of the situation the xsf is in: maybe not
  207. dwd Zash, Yes, but then you need to decide who the NomCom are. The IETF does it randomly based on a pool of eligible people, who turn out to also be the people able to attend most meetings (which cost quite a bit).
  208. daniel i think we have a problem motivating people. and then you'd have to motivate a group of people to motivate another group of people
  209. dwd I think the major problem of the XSF is simply that there are not that many people active these days.
  210. Zash We're Stable™
  211. dwd (Or, what daniel said)
  212. daniel and not because our organization is bad. but because life is hard. and work and stuff
  213. Zash But yeah, that's not a solution to the motivation or lack of candidates problem
  214. jonas’ motivation may be increased if people feel they can actually participate where it matters more
  215. jonas’ (e.g. council)
  216. Zash But it might help, if their job is to hunt down candidates 🙂
  217. dwd Zash, And FWIW, I do think it'd be better sometimes to vote for a council in entirety, rather than candidates individually.
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  219. dwd Zash, And to your original point, yes, this is largely a Board problem, but motivation and energy there is even lower.
  220. jonas’ alright
  221. jonas’ let's wrap this up I guess
  222. jonas’ any other AOB?
  223. daniel but yes someone ask Holger and Guus
  224. jonas’ assuming no
  225. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  226. jonas’ Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd!
  227. Zash Thanks jonas’, all
  228. dwd Thanks, jonas’.
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  239. Kev FWIW, I feel guilty every year that I don't stand for Council, I just simply don't have the cycles I could devote to doing a decent job.
  240. jonas’ wow, Kev
  241. jonas’ don't feel guilty
  242. jonas’ please :)
  243. Kev I feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running.
  244. dwd Unless that'll make you stand. In which case, bring on the guilt.
  245. Kev I feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF since $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running.
  246. jonas’ Kev: you have no obligation to serve the XSF for lifetime, from my perspective
  247. jonas’ I've seen you contribute a lot of stuff and there is nothing wrong or unfair with moving on one way or another
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  262. Sam Council this year has been really good, I've been very impressed. Thanks all!
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  281. Ge0rG I've been struggling with keeping up at least with the most important council tasks, and I think I mostly managed, but I still have a bad conscience and I can't afford to do more, like chairing
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