projection indicates I'm not going to be here at meeting time, but you've got an agenda to work with I think :)
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Beep
daniel
it's time
Zash
1) Roll Call
daniel
i'm here
Zash
I'm ... chairing?
daniel
yes
Zash
dwd, ?
Ge0rG
I'm semi there
jonas’
.
Zash
2 and a half?
jonas’
I'm actually here
Zash
wanna take over?
jonas’
so I can also take the chair if you like
jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
dwd
I've a meeting overrun but I'm vaguely here.
jonas’
please note any amendments to the agenda inline
jonas’
3) Editor's Update
jonas’
I see that we have XEP-0313 stable
jonas’
congrats again to MattJ and Kev and everyone involved in this :)
dwd
(I am now fully here)
jonas’
\o/
jonas’
4) Items for Voting
jonas’
4a) Decide on advancement of XEP-0459 (Compliance Suites 2022)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0459.html
jonas’
there was an update
Ge0rG
This has been an awesome year for the XSF
Zash
I was just looking at the update
Ge0rG
+1. I don't like the removal of "Core" very much, but not going to die on that hill
daniel
+1
Zash
Was that all that came out of what discussions there were?
jonas’
+1, not going to die on any CS-2022 hill :)
Ge0rG
Zash: it was all that was not contested
Zash
+1
dwd
+1, why not.
jonas’
best rationale ever
jonas’
noted
jonas’
thanks everyone :)
jonas’
5) Date of Next
jonas’
+1w wfm
Zash
+1w wfm
dwd
+1wwfm
daniel
+1w wfm
jonas’
did we lose Ge0rG ?
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6) AOB
jonas’
we've got a fresh application for council
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which is nice
dwd
Yes.
jonas’
(6a) Election Season)
Zash
to council, or not to council, that is the question
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I'd feel happier if we had more candidates with server experience.
jonas’
agreed
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daniel
> I'd feel happier if we had more candidates
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dwd
I wonder if we can persuade Holger or Guus to throw their hat in the ring?
jonas’
oho
dwd
daniel, That, too.
jonas’
Holger for council
jonas’
dwd, I'm not sure actually
jonas’
abotu the "more candidates"
dwd
jonas’, More than 4 would be very useful.
jonas’
well, yes
jonas’
but not more than five necessarily
dwd
jonas’, Well, elections are better when contested, I feel.
jonas’
I think that makes it less likely for newcomers to join the Council
jonas’
Marvin would be well-suited, but he's not managed to get in twice✎
jonas’
Marvin would be well-suited in my opinion, but he's not managed to get in twice ✏
Zash
More of a board question, but have we considered election preparation committees?
jonas’
and I'm not sure how much of that is because some of us get the bonus of "have done the job before"
Zash
Or whatever it's called
dwd
Zash, What are those?
Zash
Group responsible for putting forward a proposal for boards and the like.
dwd
Zash, Like the IETF's NomCom? Or something else?
jonas’
nomnom
Zash
With consideration beyond individual popularity, like having a group that would work together, be representative of the membership or whatever.
jonas’
hmm
Zash
Common in all sorts of organizations here
daniel
in a perfect world: yes. in the reality of the situation the xsf is in: maybe not
dwd
Zash, Yes, but then you need to decide who the NomCom are. The IETF does it randomly based on a pool of eligible people, who turn out to also be the people able to attend most meetings (which cost quite a bit).
daniel
i think we have a problem motivating people. and then you'd have to motivate a group of people to motivate another group of people
dwd
I think the major problem of the XSF is simply that there are not that many people active these days.
Zash
We're Stable™
dwd
(Or, what daniel said)
daniel
and not because our organization is bad. but because life is hard. and work and stuff
Zash
But yeah, that's not a solution to the motivation or lack of candidates problem
jonas’
motivation may be increased if people feel they can actually participate where it matters more
jonas’
(e.g. council)
Zash
But it might help, if their job is to hunt down candidates 🙂
dwd
Zash, And FWIW, I do think it'd be better sometimes to vote for a council in entirety, rather than candidates individually.
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dwd
Zash, And to your original point, yes, this is largely a Board problem, but motivation and energy there is even lower.
jonas’
alright
jonas’
let's wrap this up I guess
jonas’
any other AOB?
daniel
but yes someone ask Holger and Guus
jonas’
assuming no
jonas’
7) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’
Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd!
Zash
Thanks jonas’, all
dwd
Thanks, jonas’.
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Kev
FWIW, I feel guilty every year that I don't stand for Council, I just simply don't have the cycles I could devote to doing a decent job.
jonas’
wow, Kev
jonas’
don't feel guilty
jonas’
please :)
Kev
I feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running.✎
dwd
Unless that'll make you stand. In which case, bring on the guilt.
Kev
I feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF since $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running. ✏
jonas’
Kev: you have no obligation to serve the XSF for lifetime, from my perspective
jonas’
I've seen you contribute a lot of stuff and there is nothing wrong or unfair with moving on one way or another
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Sam
Council this year has been really good, I've been very impressed. Thanks all!
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Ge0rG
I've been struggling with keeping up at least with the most important council tasks, and I think I mostly managed, but I still have a bad conscience and I can't afford to do more, like chairing