jonas’projection indicates I'm not going to be here at meeting time, but you've got an agenda to work with I think :)
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ZashBeep
danielit's time
Zash1) Roll Call
danieli'm here
ZashI'm ... chairing?
danielyes
Zashdwd, ?
Ge0rGI'm semi there
jonas’.
Zash2 and a half?
jonas’I'm actually here
Zashwanna take over?
jonas’so I can also take the chair if you like
jonas’2) Agenda Bashing
dwdI've a meeting overrun but I'm vaguely here.
jonas’please note any amendments to the agenda inline
jonas’3) Editor's Update
jonas’I see that we have XEP-0313 stable
jonas’congrats again to MattJ and Kev and everyone involved in this :)
dwd(I am now fully here)
jonas’\o/
jonas’4) Items for Voting
jonas’4a) Decide on advancement of XEP-0459 (Compliance Suites 2022)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0459.html
jonas’there was an update
Ge0rGThis has been an awesome year for the XSF
ZashI was just looking at the update
Ge0rG+1. I don't like the removal of "Core" very much, but not going to die on that hill
daniel+1
ZashWas that all that came out of what discussions there were?
jonas’+1, not going to die on any CS-2022 hill :)
Ge0rGZash: it was all that was not contested
Zash+1
dwd+1, why not.
jonas’best rationale ever
jonas’noted
jonas’thanks everyone :)
jonas’5) Date of Next
jonas’+1w wfm
Zash+1w wfm
dwd+1wwfm
daniel+1w wfm
jonas’did we lose Ge0rG ?
jonas’6) AOB
jonas’we've got a fresh application for council
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jonas’which is nice
dwdYes.
jonas’(6a) Election Season)
Zashto council, or not to council, that is the question
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dwdI'd feel happier if we had more candidates with server experience.
jonas’agreed
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daniel> I'd feel happier if we had more candidates
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dwdI wonder if we can persuade Holger or Guus to throw their hat in the ring?
jonas’oho
dwddaniel, That, too.
jonas’Holger for council
jonas’dwd, I'm not sure actually
jonas’abotu the "more candidates"
dwdjonas’, More than 4 would be very useful.
jonas’well, yes
jonas’but not more than five necessarily
dwdjonas’, Well, elections are better when contested, I feel.
jonas’I think that makes it less likely for newcomers to join the Council
jonas’Marvin would be well-suited, but he's not managed to get in twice✎
jonas’Marvin would be well-suited in my opinion, but he's not managed to get in twice ✏
ZashMore of a board question, but have we considered election preparation committees?
jonas’and I'm not sure how much of that is because some of us get the bonus of "have done the job before"
ZashOr whatever it's called
dwdZash, What are those?
ZashGroup responsible for putting forward a proposal for boards and the like.
dwdZash, Like the IETF's NomCom? Or something else?
jonas’nomnom
ZashWith consideration beyond individual popularity, like having a group that would work together, be representative of the membership or whatever.
jonas’hmm
ZashCommon in all sorts of organizations here
danielin a perfect world: yes. in the reality of the situation the xsf is in: maybe not
dwdZash, Yes, but then you need to decide who the NomCom are. The IETF does it randomly based on a pool of eligible people, who turn out to also be the people able to attend most meetings (which cost quite a bit).
danieli think we have a problem motivating people. and then you'd have to motivate a group of people to motivate another group of people
dwdI think the major problem of the XSF is simply that there are not that many people active these days.
ZashWe're Stable™
dwd(Or, what daniel said)
danieland not because our organization is bad. but because life is hard. and work and stuff
ZashBut yeah, that's not a solution to the motivation or lack of candidates problem
jonas’motivation may be increased if people feel they can actually participate where it matters more
jonas’(e.g. council)
ZashBut it might help, if their job is to hunt down candidates 🙂
dwdZash, And FWIW, I do think it'd be better sometimes to vote for a council in entirety, rather than candidates individually.
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dwdZash, And to your original point, yes, this is largely a Board problem, but motivation and energy there is even lower.
jonas’alright
jonas’let's wrap this up I guess
jonas’any other AOB?
danielbut yes someone ask Holger and Guus
jonas’assuming no
jonas’7) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd!
ZashThanks jonas’, all
dwdThanks, jonas’.
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KevFWIW, I feel guilty every year that I don't stand for Council, I just simply don't have the cycles I could devote to doing a decent job.
jonas’wow, Kev
jonas’don't feel guilty
jonas’please :)
KevI feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running.✎
dwdUnless that'll make you stand. In which case, bring on the guilt.
KevI feel like I've mostly abandoned the XSF since $dayjob has gotten more and more stressful, and that doesn't feel fair on the people still putting in the hours to keep stuff running. ✏
jonas’Kev: you have no obligation to serve the XSF for lifetime, from my perspective
jonas’I've seen you contribute a lot of stuff and there is nothing wrong or unfair with moving on one way or another
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SamCouncil this year has been really good, I've been very impressed. Thanks all!
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Ge0rGI've been struggling with keeping up at least with the most important council tasks, and I think I mostly managed, but I still have a bad conscience and I can't afford to do more, like chairing