XMPP Council - 2021-11-10

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  115. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  116. jonas’

    sorry for the slight delay, I had to fight an OOM

  117. Zash


  118. jonas’

    Ge0rG sent apologies (to me)

  119. jonas’

    do we get a daniel or dwd?

  120. Zash

    (If there was a delay then it is equally reflected in my clock)

  121. dwd


  122. jonas’

    Zash, "16:00:12 jonas’> 1) Roll Call"

  123. daniel

    Oh. It's Wednesday again

  124. jonas’

    that's 12 seconds off!

  125. Zash

    Shame! Roll back time and try again!

  126. jonas’

    Zash, didn't work, sorry

  127. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  128. jonas’

    I am sure I missed something, but I don't know what

  129. jonas’

    if anyone knows, let me know :)

  130. jonas’

    3) Editor's Update

  131. jonas’

    We advanced XEP-0459 to Stable!

  132. jonas’

    4) Items for Voting

  133. jonas’

    I don't know of any, but I'll pause for a moment in case anyone comes up with something.

  134. Zash


  135. jonas’

    seems like it

  136. jonas’

    5) Pending Votes

  137. jonas’


  138. jonas’

    I feel bad for going to date of next before even the first five minutes are over, as we sometimes take longer to gather or so, so I'll give everyone a chance to come back with their coffee ;)

  139. jonas’


  140. Zash

    My coffe is COLD

  141. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  142. dwd

    We're all here aside from Ge0rG, though.

  143. jonas’

    +1w wfm, though it's a public holiday here, so hopefully I'm not going to forget about it :)

  144. dwd

    Works for me as well.

  145. Zash

    works for me too

  146. jonas’

    that's going to be our second-to-last meeting

  147. daniel

    +1w wfm

  148. jonas’


  149. jonas’

    7) AOB

  150. jonas’

    7a) Elections

  151. jonas’

    I am glad that there are *at least* five candidates, a bit unhappy about it being *only* five candidates.

  152. Zash

    Is there anything to do about it now?

  153. jonas’


  154. jonas’

    just a note

  155. Zash

    Without time travel

  156. dwd

    Nothing can be done.

  157. jonas’

    I'm really happy to see two entirely new ones in the list, so that's nice.

  158. jonas’

    (I'm not going to mention board...)

  159. dwd

    Yes, Board is worse.

  160. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  161. dwd

    There's some stuff around 2FA and SASL going on in Kitten (IETF WG).

  162. jonas’

    7b) something about kittens by dwd

  163. dwd


  164. Zash idles on that list

  165. jonas’

    dwd, what's the overlap to our SASL2 construct?

  166. dwd

    Loosely, people are looking at the framework I put together and deciding not to go anywhere near it.

  167. jonas’

    which was also intended to do 2FA at some point

  168. dwd

    Does already.

  169. dwd

    Been implemented, no less.

  170. jonas’


  171. jonas’

    so what's their direction re SASL+2FA?

  172. jonas’

    terribe or great?

  173. jonas’

    terrible or great?

  174. dwd

    The problem is that if you've an existing IMAP server (or database), changing the SASL profile is expensive and difficult.

  175. jonas’

    is it?

  176. jonas’

    I only know of issues between SCRAM profiles

  177. dwd

    So the current approach in I-D is to extend SCRAM to include optional TOTP codes.

  178. Zash

    Alexeys ID?

  179. dwd

    I'm suggesting a nested SASL mechanism which encapsulates SASL2, in effect.

  180. dwd

    Zash, Yes.

  181. Zash

    "All problems in computer science can be solved by adding another proxy"?

  182. dwd

    jonas’, Changing a SASL profile means changing the code of (say) PostgreSQL. Adding a mechanism could be done without even a new PostgresSQL build.

  183. dwd

    Zash, More or less, yes.

  184. Zash

    "profile" as in the way SASL is carried over the other protocol, or something else?

  185. jonas’

    dwd, ah!

  186. dwd

    Anyway, one to keep an eye on.

  187. dwd

    Zash, A way to build SASL into your protocol, yes.

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  189. jonas’


  190. jonas’

    I understood profile as set of mechanisms and got confused

  191. Zash

    terms and definitions...

  192. dwd

    No, there's a specific meaning to it.

  193. jonas’

    too long since I touched SASL specs it seems

  194. jonas’

    anything to add to this topic?

  195. Zash

    Also of potential interest in the IETF world is some new DANE stuff.

  196. jonas’


  197. jonas’

    7c) IETF DANE Stuff

  198. Zash

    the DANCE WG, gonna look at client authentication, as in s2s clients and the likee

  199. Zash

    I was briefly excited but ran out of energy, so I'll just be idling there too.

  200. jonas’

    generally interesting

  201. jonas’

    well thank for the hint

  202. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  203. dwd

    Not from me.

  204. jonas’

    well then

  205. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  206. jonas’

    Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd.

  207. Zash

    Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!

  208. dwd


  209. daniel

    Thanks jonas’, Thanks everyone

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