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jonas’
16:00:12
1) Roll Call
jonas’
16:00:16
sorry for the slight delay, I had to fight an OOM
Zash
16:00:34
Here.
jonas’
16:00:46
Ge0rG sent apologies (to me)
jonas’
16:00:57
do we get a daniel or dwd?
Zash
16:01:00
(If there was a delay then it is equally reflected in my clock)
dwd
16:01:11
Hello!
jonas’
16:01:16
Zash, "16:00:12 jonas’> 1) Roll Call"
daniel
16:01:16
Oh. It's Wednesday again
jonas’
16:01:18
that's 12 seconds off!
Zash
16:01:39
Shame! Roll back time and try again!
jonas’
16:01:51
Zash, didn't work, sorry
jonas’
16:02:04
2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’
16:02:14
I am sure I missed something, but I don't know what
jonas’
16:02:17
if anyone knows, let me know :)
jonas’
16:02:22
3) Editor's Update
jonas’
16:02:27
We advanced XEP-0459 to Stable!
jonas’
16:02:30
4) Items for Voting
jonas’
16:02:40
I don't know of any, but I'll pause for a moment in case anyone comes up with something.
Zash
16:03:31
:crickets:
jonas’
16:03:36
seems like it
jonas’
16:03:41
5) Pending Votes
jonas’
16:03:42
None.
jonas’
16:04:20
I feel bad for going to date of next before even the first five minutes are over, as we sometimes take longer to gather or so, so I'll give everyone a chance to come back with their coffee ;)
jonas’
16:05:02
alright
Zash
16:05:03
My coffe is COLD
jonas’
16:05:04
6) Date of Next
dwd
16:05:20
We're all here aside from Ge0rG, though.
jonas’
16:05:32
+1w wfm, though it's a public holiday here, so hopefully I'm not going to forget about it :)
dwd
16:05:45
Works for me as well.
Zash
16:05:50
works for me too
jonas’
16:05:52
that's going to be our second-to-last meeting
daniel
16:06:22
+1w wfm
jonas’
16:06:26
excellent
jonas’
16:06:28
7) AOB
jonas’
16:06:31
7a) Elections
jonas’
16:06:48
I am glad that there are *at least* five candidates, a bit unhappy about it being *only* five candidates.
Zash
16:07:01
Is there anything to do about it now?
jonas’
16:07:05
no
jonas’
16:07:06
just a note
Zash
16:07:07
Without time travel
dwd
16:07:09
Nothing can be done.
jonas’
16:07:14
I'm really happy to see two entirely new ones in the list, so that's nice.
jonas’
16:07:21
(I'm not going to mention board...)
dwd
16:07:29
Yes, Board is worse.
jonas’
16:07:52
any other AOB?
dwd
16:08:19
There's some stuff around 2FA and SASL going on in Kitten (IETF WG).
jonas’
16:08:30
7b) something about kittens by dwd
dwd
16:08:39
Miaow.
Zash
idles on that list
16:08:55
jonas’
16:09:02
dwd, what's the overlap to our SASL2 construct?
dwd
16:09:07
Loosely, people are looking at the framework I put together and deciding not to go anywhere near it.
jonas’
16:09:08
which was also intended to do 2FA at some point
dwd
16:09:15
Does already.
dwd
16:09:20
Been implemented, no less.
jonas’
16:09:23
nice
jonas’
16:09:35
so what's their direction re SASL+2FA?
jonas’
16:09:41
terribe or great? ✎
jonas’
16:09:43
terrible or great? ✏
dwd
16:09:56
The problem is that if you've an existing IMAP server (or database), changing the SASL profile is expensive and difficult.
jonas’
16:10:10
is it?
jonas’
16:10:18
I only know of issues between SCRAM profiles
dwd
16:10:19
So the current approach in I-D is to extend SCRAM to include optional TOTP codes.
Zash
16:10:33
Alexeys ID?
dwd
16:10:38
I'm suggesting a nested SASL mechanism which encapsulates SASL2, in effect.
dwd
16:10:41
Zash, Yes.
Zash
16:11:15
"All problems in computer science can be solved by adding another proxy"?
dwd
16:11:32
jonas’, Changing a SASL profile means changing the code of (say) PostgreSQL. Adding a mechanism could be done without even a new PostgresSQL build.
dwd
16:11:42
Zash, More or less, yes.
Zash
16:12:01
"profile" as in the way SASL is carried over the other protocol, or something else?
jonas’
16:12:02
dwd, ah!
dwd
16:12:04
Anyway, one to keep an eye on.
dwd
16:12:32
Zash, A way to build SASL into your protocol, yes.
jonas’
16:12:36
ohh
jonas’
16:12:39
okay
jonas’
16:12:50
I understood profile as set of mechanisms and got confused
Zash
16:12:56
terms and definitions...
dwd
16:13:04
No, there's a specific meaning to it.
jonas’
16:13:30
too long since I touched SASL specs it seems
jonas’
16:13:41
anything to add to this topic?
Zash
16:13:44
Also of potential interest in the IETF world is some new DANE stuff.
jonas’
16:13:54
oho?
jonas’
16:14:03
7c) IETF DANE Stuff
Zash
16:14:25
the DANCE WG, gonna look at client authentication, as in s2s clients and the likee
Zash
16:14:38
I was briefly excited but ran out of energy, so I'll just be idling there too.
jonas’
16:15:11
generally interesting
jonas’
16:15:24
well thank for the hint
jonas’
16:15:28
any other AOB?
dwd
16:17:02
Not from me.
jonas’
16:17:05
well then
jonas’
16:17:09
8) Ite Meeting Est
jonas’
16:17:13
Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd.
Zash
16:17:18
Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
dwd
16:18:12
Thanks!
daniel
16:18:14
Thanks jonas’, Thanks everyone
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