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16:00:12 jonas’
1) Roll Call
16:00:16 jonas’
sorry for the slight delay, I had to fight an OOM
16:00:34 Zash
Here.
16:00:46 jonas’
Ge0rG sent apologies (to me)
16:00:57 jonas’
do we get a daniel or dwd?
16:01:00 Zash
(If there was a delay then it is equally reflected in my clock)
16:01:11 dwd
Hello!
16:01:16 jonas’
Zash, "16:00:12 jonas’> 1) Roll Call"
16:01:16 daniel
Oh. It's Wednesday again
16:01:18 jonas’
that's 12 seconds off!
16:01:39 Zash
Shame! Roll back time and try again!
16:01:51 jonas’
Zash, didn't work, sorry
16:02:04 jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
16:02:14 jonas’
I am sure I missed something, but I don't know what
16:02:17 jonas’
if anyone knows, let me know :)
16:02:22 jonas’
3) Editor's Update
16:02:27 jonas’
We advanced XEP-0459 to Stable!
16:02:30 jonas’
4) Items for Voting
16:02:40 jonas’
I don't know of any, but I'll pause for a moment in case anyone comes up with something.
16:03:31 Zash
:crickets:
16:03:36 jonas’
seems like it
16:03:41 jonas’
5) Pending Votes
16:03:42 jonas’
None.
16:04:20 jonas’
I feel bad for going to date of next before even the first five minutes are over, as we sometimes take longer to gather or so, so I'll give everyone a chance to come back with their coffee ;)
16:05:02 jonas’
alright
16:05:03 Zash
My coffe is COLD
16:05:04 jonas’
6) Date of Next
16:05:20 dwd
We're all here aside from Ge0rG, though.
16:05:32 jonas’
+1w wfm, though it's a public holiday here, so hopefully I'm not going to forget about it :)
16:05:45 dwd
Works for me as well.
16:05:50 Zash
works for me too
16:05:52 jonas’
that's going to be our second-to-last meeting
16:06:22 daniel
+1w wfm
16:06:26 jonas’
excellent
16:06:28 jonas’
7) AOB
16:06:31 jonas’
7a) Elections
16:06:48 jonas’
I am glad that there are *at least* five candidates, a bit unhappy about it being *only* five candidates.
16:07:01 Zash
Is there anything to do about it now?
16:07:05 jonas’
no
16:07:06 jonas’
just a note
16:07:07 Zash
Without time travel
16:07:09 dwd
Nothing can be done.
16:07:14 jonas’
I'm really happy to see two entirely new ones in the list, so that's nice.
16:07:21 jonas’
(I'm not going to mention board...)
16:07:29 dwd
Yes, Board is worse.
16:07:52 jonas’
any other AOB?
16:08:19 dwd
There's some stuff around 2FA and SASL going on in Kitten (IETF WG).
16:08:30 jonas’
7b) something about kittens by dwd
16:08:39 dwd
Miaow.
16:08:55 Zash
idles on that list
16:09:02 jonas’
dwd, what's the overlap to our SASL2 construct?
16:09:07 dwd
Loosely, people are looking at the framework I put together and deciding not to go anywhere near it.
16:09:08 jonas’
which was also intended to do 2FA at some point
16:09:15 dwd
Does already.
16:09:20 dwd
Been implemented, no less.
16:09:23 jonas’
nice
16:09:35 jonas’
so what's their direction re SASL+2FA?
16:09:41 jonas’
terribe or great? ✎
16:09:43 jonas’
terrible or great? ✏
16:09:56 dwd
The problem is that if you've an existing IMAP server (or database), changing the SASL profile is expensive and difficult.
16:10:10 jonas’
is it?
16:10:18 jonas’
I only know of issues between SCRAM profiles
16:10:19 dwd
So the current approach in I-D is to extend SCRAM to include optional TOTP codes.
16:10:33 Zash
Alexeys ID?
16:10:38 dwd
I'm suggesting a nested SASL mechanism which encapsulates SASL2, in effect.
16:10:41 dwd
Zash, Yes.
16:11:15 Zash
"All problems in computer science can be solved by adding another proxy"?
16:11:32 dwd
jonas’, Changing a SASL profile means changing the code of (say) PostgreSQL. Adding a mechanism could be done without even a new PostgresSQL build.
16:11:42 dwd
Zash, More or less, yes.
16:12:01 Zash
"profile" as in the way SASL is carried over the other protocol, or something else?
16:12:02 jonas’
dwd, ah!
16:12:04 dwd
Anyway, one to keep an eye on.
16:12:32 dwd
Zash, A way to build SASL into your protocol, yes.
16:12:36 jonas’
ohh
16:12:39 jonas’
okay
16:12:50 jonas’
I understood profile as set of mechanisms and got confused
16:12:56 Zash
terms and definitions...
16:13:04 dwd
No, there's a specific meaning to it.
16:13:30 jonas’
too long since I touched SASL specs it seems
16:13:41 jonas’
anything to add to this topic?
16:13:44 Zash
Also of potential interest in the IETF world is some new DANE stuff.
16:13:54 jonas’
oho?
16:14:03 jonas’
7c) IETF DANE Stuff
16:14:25 Zash
the DANCE WG, gonna look at client authentication, as in s2s clients and the likee
16:14:38 Zash
I was briefly excited but ran out of energy, so I'll just be idling there too.
16:15:11 jonas’
generally interesting
16:15:24 jonas’
well thank for the hint
16:15:28 jonas’
any other AOB?
16:17:02 dwd
Not from me.
16:17:05 jonas’
well then
16:17:09 jonas’
8) Ite Meeting Est
16:17:13 jonas’
Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd.
16:17:18 Zash
Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
16:18:12 dwd
Thanks!
16:18:14 daniel
Thanks jonas’, Thanks everyone
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