XMPP Council - 2021-11-10


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  115. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  116. jonas’ sorry for the slight delay, I had to fight an OOM
  117. Zash Here.
  118. jonas’ Ge0rG sent apologies (to me)
  119. jonas’ do we get a daniel or dwd?
  120. Zash (If there was a delay then it is equally reflected in my clock)
  121. dwd Hello!
  122. jonas’ Zash, "16:00:12 jonas’> 1) Roll Call"
  123. daniel Oh. It's Wednesday again
  124. jonas’ that's 12 seconds off!
  125. Zash Shame! Roll back time and try again!
  126. jonas’ Zash, didn't work, sorry
  127. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  128. jonas’ I am sure I missed something, but I don't know what
  129. jonas’ if anyone knows, let me know :)
  130. jonas’ 3) Editor's Update
  131. jonas’ We advanced XEP-0459 to Stable!
  132. jonas’ 4) Items for Voting
  133. jonas’ I don't know of any, but I'll pause for a moment in case anyone comes up with something.
  134. Zash :crickets:
  135. jonas’ seems like it
  136. jonas’ 5) Pending Votes
  137. jonas’ None.
  138. jonas’ I feel bad for going to date of next before even the first five minutes are over, as we sometimes take longer to gather or so, so I'll give everyone a chance to come back with their coffee ;)
  139. jonas’ alright
  140. Zash My coffe is COLD
  141. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  142. dwd We're all here aside from Ge0rG, though.
  143. jonas’ +1w wfm, though it's a public holiday here, so hopefully I'm not going to forget about it :)
  144. dwd Works for me as well.
  145. Zash works for me too
  146. jonas’ that's going to be our second-to-last meeting
  147. daniel +1w wfm
  148. jonas’ excellent
  149. jonas’ 7) AOB
  150. jonas’ 7a) Elections
  151. jonas’ I am glad that there are *at least* five candidates, a bit unhappy about it being *only* five candidates.
  152. Zash Is there anything to do about it now?
  153. jonas’ no
  154. jonas’ just a note
  155. Zash Without time travel
  156. dwd Nothing can be done.
  157. jonas’ I'm really happy to see two entirely new ones in the list, so that's nice.
  158. jonas’ (I'm not going to mention board...)
  159. dwd Yes, Board is worse.
  160. jonas’ any other AOB?
  161. dwd There's some stuff around 2FA and SASL going on in Kitten (IETF WG).
  162. jonas’ 7b) something about kittens by dwd
  163. dwd Miaow.
  164. Zash idles on that list
  165. jonas’ dwd, what's the overlap to our SASL2 construct?
  166. dwd Loosely, people are looking at the framework I put together and deciding not to go anywhere near it.
  167. jonas’ which was also intended to do 2FA at some point
  168. dwd Does already.
  169. dwd Been implemented, no less.
  170. jonas’ nice
  171. jonas’ so what's their direction re SASL+2FA?
  172. jonas’ terribe or great?
  173. jonas’ terrible or great?
  174. dwd The problem is that if you've an existing IMAP server (or database), changing the SASL profile is expensive and difficult.
  175. jonas’ is it?
  176. jonas’ I only know of issues between SCRAM profiles
  177. dwd So the current approach in I-D is to extend SCRAM to include optional TOTP codes.
  178. Zash Alexeys ID?
  179. dwd I'm suggesting a nested SASL mechanism which encapsulates SASL2, in effect.
  180. dwd Zash, Yes.
  181. Zash "All problems in computer science can be solved by adding another proxy"?
  182. dwd jonas’, Changing a SASL profile means changing the code of (say) PostgreSQL. Adding a mechanism could be done without even a new PostgresSQL build.
  183. dwd Zash, More or less, yes.
  184. Zash "profile" as in the way SASL is carried over the other protocol, or something else?
  185. jonas’ dwd, ah!
  186. dwd Anyway, one to keep an eye on.
  187. dwd Zash, A way to build SASL into your protocol, yes.
  188. jonas’ ohh
  189. jonas’ okay
  190. jonas’ I understood profile as set of mechanisms and got confused
  191. Zash terms and definitions...
  192. dwd No, there's a specific meaning to it.
  193. jonas’ too long since I touched SASL specs it seems
  194. jonas’ anything to add to this topic?
  195. Zash Also of potential interest in the IETF world is some new DANE stuff.
  196. jonas’ oho?
  197. jonas’ 7c) IETF DANE Stuff
  198. Zash the DANCE WG, gonna look at client authentication, as in s2s clients and the likee
  199. Zash I was briefly excited but ran out of energy, so I'll just be idling there too.
  200. jonas’ generally interesting
  201. jonas’ well thank for the hint
  202. jonas’ any other AOB?
  203. dwd Not from me.
  204. jonas’ well then
  205. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  206. jonas’ Thanks everyone, Thanks Tedd.
  207. Zash Thanks jonas’, thanks Tedd, thanks all!
  208. dwd Thanks!
  209. daniel Thanks jonas’, Thanks everyone
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