XMPP Council - 2022-01-26


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  116. daniel It's time
  117. daniel 1) Roll call
  118. larma 👋️
  119. moparisthebest hello
  120. daniel Ge0rG is on vacation but do we have a jonas’?
  121. daniel I guess not. do we have quorum? i guess so? how does quorum work
  122. moparisthebest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  123. daniel i'm gonna assume it's ok to move on. 3/5 that's fine...
  124. jonas’ I have an overrrunning meeting
  125. jonas’ I can partially pay attention
  126. daniel 2) agenda bashing
  127. daniel i assume no changes?
  128. daniel 3) Editors update
  129. daniel a) Accepted "Message Replies" as XEP-0461
  130. daniel b) Deprecated and Obsoleted XEP-0443 (Compliance Suites 2021)
  131. daniel 4) Items for voting
  132. daniel a) XEP-0060: Release version 1.23.0 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1152
  133. moparisthebest +1, seems editorial
  134. daniel i find the MUST in there a bit problematic?
  135. daniel like what about services that support it but don’t advertise it
  136. moparisthebest then, they don't support it, I think
  137. jonas’ I think that's ok
  138. jonas’ +1
  139. daniel +1
  140. larma +1
  141. daniel ok. thank you
  142. daniel b) XEP-0004: Release version 2.13.0 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1153
  143. moparisthebest does this actually help ? :/ I guess a client still can't really count on it...
  144. moparisthebest the MUST helped, but "broke protocol", even though I think we determined all known implementation did that anyway
  145. daniel i wish this would have been posted to the list before it was brought to council
  146. daniel i know there was general discussion on that
  147. jonas’ daniel, oh, I thought about that (editor hat), but then I thought that council basically asked them to make that PR
  148. jonas’ we can certainly bounce it to the list
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  152. daniel I think i'm on list and would prefer if we give this the participants of the old thread to read first
  153. larma I'm not 100% convinced of the wording "only process (e.g., apply) the submitted fields".
  154. larma on-list for me
  155. moparisthebest yea I think some on list discussion would help
  156. moparisthebest which makes voting on c) easy, it can't be done unless b) is accepted
  157. daniel jonas’, would you like to vote on this now or are you on list too?
  158. daniel i'm gonna assume on list
  159. daniel c) can be skipped as moparisthebest pointed out
  160. moparisthebest actually I'd vote c) is entirely editorial if b) is accepted
  161. daniel 5) Pending votes
  162. daniel me on the pubsub type thing
  163. jonas’ yeah, sorry, on list
  164. daniel i'm +1 on that
  165. daniel 6) Date of Next
  166. daniel +1w wfm
  167. moparisthebest +1w wfm
  168. larma +1w wfm
  169. daniel 7) AOB
  170. daniel anyone?
  171. moparisthebest none here
  172. larma nope
  173. daniel 8) Close
  174. daniel thank you everyone
  175. larma Thanks everyone
  176. jonas’ thanks!
  177. moparisthebest thanks all
  178. moparisthebest should we consider deprecating https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0138.html & https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0274.html ?
  179. moparisthebest if not the negotiation itself, at least those 2 methods
  180. moparisthebest at absolute minimum we should mention CRIME/BREACH in the security considerations
  181. jonas’ I know of at least one ~implementation~ hack which resets the dictionary
  182. jonas’ so the negotiation is probably useful
  183. moparisthebest right, but that needs to be a different method
  184. moparisthebest from a process standpoint how do you deprecate half a final xep :/
  185. moparisthebest I'll drop this here so I don't lose it https://blog.thijsalkema.de/blog/2014/08/07/https-attacks-and-xmpp-2-crime-and-breach/
  186. jonas’ so yeah, the methods should be deprecated, but the negotiation may be useful
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