XMPP Council - 2022-02-09


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  192. daniel it's time
  193. daniel 1) Roll call
  194. Ge0rG indeed it is.
  195. Ge0rG is bak
  196. Ge0rG is back
  197. larma 👋️
  198. daniel welcome back Ge0rG
  199. larma welcome back 🙂
  200. jonas’ o/
  201. daniel do we have a moparisthebest?
  202. moparisthebest hello!
  203. daniel 2) Agenda Bashing
  204. daniel no changes to the agenda
  205. daniel 3) Editors update
  206. daniel a) Published Update XEP-0060 that passed Council last week b) Proposed XMPP Extension: PubSub Type Filtering (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-filter.html)
  207. daniel 4) Items for voting
  208. daniel a) Proposed XMPP Extension: PubSub Type Filtering https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-filter.html
  209. daniel +1 lgtm
  210. moparisthebest +1 , not sure discovery is even necessary, but good to go
  211. larma +1 for me as well
  212. jonas’ +1
  213. Ge0rG on-list
  214. daniel thank you
  215. daniel 5) Pending votes
  216. daniel Everyone on partial form submission in XEP-0004 and subsequent XEP-0060 edit.
  217. daniel we had some list discussions on that
  218. moparisthebest +1 and +1
  219. daniel and i for my part a ready to vote +1 on both of them
  220. larma +1 both for me as well
  221. daniel larma, both i assume?
  222. larma that's what I meant with both
  223. Ge0rG +1 for both PRs
  224. daniel thank you larma just wanted to be explicit for the record
  225. jonas’ +0, noting that this is a normative change which just happens to align with the implementations we asked
  226. jonas’ +0, to '4, noting that this is a normative change which just happens to align with the implementations we asked
  227. jonas’ +0 to the '60 change, because it depends on the '4 one
  228. Ge0rG the added content in #1153 sounds like a banality, but it's probably good to explicitly write it out
  229. daniel thank you
  230. daniel Ge0rG, is pending on #1152
  231. daniel do you want to vote on that now? if not you have another week
  232. Ge0rG daniel: +1 on #1152 as well. it's also semi-normative
  233. daniel awesome. thank you
  234. Ge0rG it was also part of #1154, so I implicitly approved it above ;)
  235. daniel 6) Date of next
  236. daniel +1w wfm
  237. moparisthebest +1w wfm also
  238. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  239. larma I might not be able to make next week, but I will try
  240. daniel ack
  241. jonas’ +1w wfm
  242. daniel 7) AOB
  243. larma yes
  244. daniel go ahead larma
  245. larma I contacted the two authors of XEP-0272 about a month ago to get feedback regarding the changes to the XEP I proposed. They did not react and as far as I can tell seem to not be involved with XMPP anymore.
  246. daniel contacted in private i assume?
  247. larma yes, I don't know any public contact from them, only the address stated in the XEP
  248. jonas’ never heard the names even
  249. daniel right. by public i was implying the standards list
  250. jonas’ given your current work in the conferencing section, I'd be happy to vote in favour to grant you ownership fwiw
  251. moparisthebest domain redirects to https://www.collabora.com/ now
  252. daniel i generally agree with jonas’ but i'm wondering if The Correct Approach(tm) would be to leave feedback on the standards list before we declare it abandoned
  253. moparisthebest did you try names@colabora.com ?
  254. moparisthebest did you try names@collabora.com ?
  255. larma moparisthebest, did not, good idea, although the emails did not bounce on the .co.uk addresses
  256. daniel (they might not even work there anymore given how fast people change jobs in IT)
  257. moparisthebest but yes equally inclined to figure out "correct way" and then grant ownership to larma
  258. Ge0rG There is also xmpp:sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk
  259. larma https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html#proposal > In case the XEP has been abandoned by its author(s), any other individual can propose advancement in their stead. The Approving Body will then require a Document Shepherd to take on responsibilities on behalf of the XEP author during the proposal and approval processes.
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  261. daniel can you just post your feedback on list. it's probably interesting plus we can ensure that they aren’t subscribed to the list anymore with a different email address and/or stopped caring
  262. moparisthebest so no guidance on what constitutes "has been abandoned" ?
  263. Ge0rG moparisthebest: we don't have hard criteria on that, and I'd rather not try to define some
  264. moparisthebest but yea maybe list + CC their emails and if no response I'm ok with calling it abandoned
  265. larma Sounds good
  266. Ge0rG I also agree that larma can take over ownership if there is no public response from the authors
  267. daniel right. i would expect the outcome to be that larma takes over. i just want a clean path towards that
  268. daniel any other AOB?
  269. daniel assuming none
  270. daniel 8) Close
  271. daniel thank you all
  272. Ge0rG Thanks, daniel
  273. larma Thanks 🙂
  274. moparisthebest thanks daniel !
  275. moparisthebest not official AOB, but if you have a minute check xsf@ and give feedback, I'm inclined to declare _xmppconnect from '156 insecure and remove it
  276. moparisthebest PR to come...
  277. jonas’ sorry, I had to run quickly, no AOB from me, thanks daniel :)
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