XMPP Council - 2022-02-09


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  192. daniel

    it's time

  193. daniel

    1) Roll call

  194. Ge0rG

    indeed it is.

  195. Ge0rG is bak

  196. Ge0rG is back

  197. larma

    👋️

  198. daniel

    welcome back Ge0rG

  199. larma

    welcome back 🙂

  200. jonas’

    o/

  201. daniel

    do we have a moparisthebest?

  202. moparisthebest

    hello!

  203. daniel

    2) Agenda Bashing

  204. daniel

    no changes to the agenda

  205. daniel

    3) Editors update

  206. daniel

    a) Published Update XEP-0060 that passed Council last week b) Proposed XMPP Extension: PubSub Type Filtering (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-filter.html)

  207. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  208. daniel

    a) Proposed XMPP Extension: PubSub Type Filtering https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-filter.html

  209. daniel

    +1 lgtm

  210. moparisthebest

    +1 , not sure discovery is even necessary, but good to go

  211. larma

    +1 for me as well

  212. jonas’

    +1

  213. Ge0rG

    on-list

  214. daniel

    thank you

  215. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  216. daniel

    Everyone on partial form submission in XEP-0004 and subsequent XEP-0060 edit.

  217. daniel

    we had some list discussions on that

  218. moparisthebest

    +1 and +1

  219. daniel

    and i for my part a ready to vote +1 on both of them

  220. larma

    +1 both for me as well

  221. daniel

    larma, both i assume?

  222. larma

    that's what I meant with both

  223. Ge0rG

    +1 for both PRs

  224. daniel

    thank you larma just wanted to be explicit for the record

  225. jonas’

    +0, noting that this is a normative change which just happens to align with the implementations we asked

  226. jonas’

    +0, to '4, noting that this is a normative change which just happens to align with the implementations we asked

  227. jonas’

    +0 to the '60 change, because it depends on the '4 one

  228. Ge0rG

    the added content in #1153 sounds like a banality, but it's probably good to explicitly write it out

  229. daniel

    thank you

  230. daniel

    Ge0rG, is pending on #1152

  231. daniel

    do you want to vote on that now? if not you have another week

  232. Ge0rG

    daniel: +1 on #1152 as well. it's also semi-normative

  233. daniel

    awesome. thank you

  234. Ge0rG

    it was also part of #1154, so I implicitly approved it above ;)

  235. daniel

    6) Date of next

  236. daniel

    +1w wfm

  237. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm also

  238. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  239. larma

    I might not be able to make next week, but I will try

  240. daniel

    ack

  241. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  242. daniel

    7) AOB

  243. larma

    yes

  244. daniel

    go ahead larma

  245. larma

    I contacted the two authors of XEP-0272 about a month ago to get feedback regarding the changes to the XEP I proposed. They did not react and as far as I can tell seem to not be involved with XMPP anymore.

  246. daniel

    contacted in private i assume?

  247. larma

    yes, I don't know any public contact from them, only the address stated in the XEP

  248. jonas’

    never heard the names even

  249. daniel

    right. by public i was implying the standards list

  250. jonas’

    given your current work in the conferencing section, I'd be happy to vote in favour to grant you ownership fwiw

  251. moparisthebest

    domain redirects to https://www.collabora.com/ now

  252. daniel

    i generally agree with jonas’ but i'm wondering if The Correct Approach(tm) would be to leave feedback on the standards list before we declare it abandoned

  253. moparisthebest

    did you try names@colabora.com ?

  254. moparisthebest

    did you try names@collabora.com ?

  255. larma

    moparisthebest, did not, good idea, although the emails did not bounce on the .co.uk addresses

  256. daniel

    (they might not even work there anymore given how fast people change jobs in IT)

  257. moparisthebest

    but yes equally inclined to figure out "correct way" and then grant ownership to larma

  258. Ge0rG

    There is also xmpp:sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk

  259. larma

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html#proposal > In case the XEP has been abandoned by its author(s), any other individual can propose advancement in their stead. The Approving Body will then require a Document Shepherd to take on responsibilities on behalf of the XEP author during the proposal and approval processes.

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  261. daniel

    can you just post your feedback on list. it's probably interesting plus we can ensure that they aren’t subscribed to the list anymore with a different email address and/or stopped caring

  262. moparisthebest

    so no guidance on what constitutes "has been abandoned" ?

  263. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: we don't have hard criteria on that, and I'd rather not try to define some

  264. moparisthebest

    but yea maybe list + CC their emails and if no response I'm ok with calling it abandoned

  265. larma

    Sounds good

  266. Ge0rG

    I also agree that larma can take over ownership if there is no public response from the authors

  267. daniel

    right. i would expect the outcome to be that larma takes over. i just want a clean path towards that

  268. daniel

    any other AOB?

  269. daniel

    assuming none

  270. daniel

    8) Close

  271. daniel

    thank you all

  272. Ge0rG

    Thanks, daniel

  273. larma

    Thanks 🙂

  274. moparisthebest

    thanks daniel !

  275. moparisthebest

    not official AOB, but if you have a minute check xsf@ and give feedback, I'm inclined to declare _xmppconnect from '156 insecure and remove it

  276. moparisthebest

    PR to come...

  277. jonas’

    sorry, I had to run quickly, no AOB from me, thanks daniel :)

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