XMPP Council - 2022-02-19


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  10. moparisthebest > Suppose the _real_ way to get things moving would be to develop an actual exploit and wave it around threateningly 😈️ Yes this for real
  11. moparisthebest Sam: you always display the call button regardless so when they log onto their client that supports calling they see the missed call
  12. moparisthebest Also when they don't answer you can "leave a voicemail"
  13. Sam Only if they have ever had a client that supports calling.
  14. moparisthebest Why? Maybe they'll install one tommorow?
  15. moparisthebest Besides, either way they'll get your voicemail
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  29. mdosch Calling is a bad example. If they install a client with calls tomorrow there is no point in calling today or did I miss the time travel XEP?
  30. mdosch 😃
  31. menel I think the example was, that the fallback is good enough, (http upload with voice) , so you _can_ use it anyways
  32. jonas’ replace tomorrow by "in 2 seconds when the iOS client you had not seen yet gets pushed because of your call"
  33. jonas’ I think the more realistic threat is, indeed, confusing PEP implementations
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  41. larma mdosch, You can still at least display in a client tomorrow that the person attempted to do a call before they sent the voice mail (because the Call Invite is in MAM). Also from caller side, there really is no difference between "no client that supports calls" and "no client picks up call", so you need to be prepared for this to happen anyways.
  42. larma (not saying it might be a good idea to let the user know if it seems like the other side has no client with call support)
  43. MattJ On a related note, I plan to automatically reject incoming call invites on the server if it's not immediately deliverable (via a live connection or push notification)
  44. MattJ In the long term I see capabilities being attached to push registrations
  45. larma What's wrong with call invites in MAM?
  46. larma Ah, with reject you mean, to actively reject (not just error)
  47. MattJ Right
  48. MattJ It just improves the UX a little for the caller, and will hopefully weed out some issues I've been seeing people having
  49. larma Make sure to only do this when there is subscription...
  50. MattJ Sure
  51. larma <gone/> condition from https://larma.de/xeps/xep-0353.html#table-1 would be good for this, right? Or do you think there should be a new condition for this?
  52. MattJ I think <gone/> fits (if you do :) )
  53. larma It was originally meant for when the caller goes offline while there is a pending call, so it has no real meaning when sent by the callee.
  54. larma So now we have one 🙂
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  57. jonas’ *blink*
  58. jonas’ Did I just observe an exchange between XMPP community members, agreeing on a solution to an issue *immediately*?
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