XMPP Council - 2022-02-23

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  48. Ge0rG

    It looks like I'll most probably be in a driver's seat today at meeting time

  49. larma

    And because we live in the 21st century, that means you'll have your hands free due to self-driving cars?

  50. Ge0rG

    even if that was the case, which it isn't (my car only has a lane assist that will shutdown after 10s of hands-free), I'd be legally required to not get distracted by my phone.

  51. larma

    I wasn't being serious 😉

  52. Ge0rG


  53. pep.

    You'll be in a driver's seat, but will it be in a car?

  54. larma

    You mean, train drivers tend to get distracted by their phones all the time?

  55. pep.

    I mean he could have a driver's seat in his garage for all we know and using that as an excuse

  56. larma

    Even if the driver's seat is in a car, he might not be the driver of that car. The seat could be in the car's back row 😉

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  58. Ge0rG

    Or it could be _the_ driver's seat of that car, fully functioning, but the car isn't moving. You can't know

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  60. larma

    I guess we have to trust you with this 😉

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  81. moparisthebest

    larma, thanks for the feedback, updated to: > host-meta files MUST be fetched only over HTTPS, and MUST only use connection URLs starting with 'https://' or 'wss://'. This provides secure delegation, meaning you SHOULD send SNI matching the host of the URL from the connection URL and validate that the certificate is valid for that host *or* the XMPP domain.

  82. larma

    moparisthebest, yes, I like it this way 🙂

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  90. jonas’


  91. daniel

    It's time

  92. larma


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  94. daniel

    1) Roll call

  95. moparisthebest


  96. daniel

    I guess Ge0rG is in fact in a car

  97. daniel

    2) Agenda Bashing

  98. moparisthebest

    I'd like to vote on my updated PRs from last week please

  99. daniel

    moparisthebest modified the two PRs. we are going to vote on that

  100. daniel

    3) Editors update

  101. daniel


  102. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  103. daniel

    a) XEP-0115: mention the pre-image attacks in the XEP https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1168

  104. daniel


  105. moparisthebest


  106. jonas’


  107. larma


  108. daniel

    Thank you

  109. Sam

    Thanks all.

  110. daniel

    b) The modified PR 1158

  111. daniel

    That's the one removing DNS from 156

  112. moparisthebest

    https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1158 +1

  113. daniel


  114. larma


  115. jonas’


  116. daniel

    c) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1159

  117. moparisthebest


  118. daniel


  119. larma


  120. daniel

    jonas’, ?

  121. jonas’


  122. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  123. daniel

    a) Everyone on XEP-0045 Remove more mentions of GC 1.0

  124. daniel


  125. moparisthebest


  126. jonas’


  127. larma


  128. daniel

    b) Daniel on obsoleting three XEPs

  129. daniel

    +1 to all three

  130. daniel

    c) Jonas on obsoleting XEP-0038

  131. daniel

    and jonas’ on the new proto xep from last week

  132. daniel

    oh and moparisthebest on the new proto xep as well?

  133. daniel

    that's not in my notes but the spreadsheet don’t lie

  134. jonas’

    yeah, +1 on '38

  135. moparisthebest

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-affiliations-versioning.html right ?

  136. larma


  137. daniel

    that's the one

  138. jonas’

    worth exploring in experimental I suppose

  139. daniel

    it this a +1?

  140. moparisthebest

    +1 , still unsure about namespaced attributes but that's what experimental is for

  141. jonas’

    yes, that's a +1

  142. daniel

    ok. moving on

  143. daniel

    6) Council Meetings via A/V

  144. daniel

    continuation of last weeks aob

  145. moparisthebest

    wouldn't want to every week, but less frequently would be fine with me

  146. daniel

    i feel like jonas’ maybe wanted to defend the idea a bit more?

  147. jonas’


  148. jonas’

    so I think that a regular council high-bandwidth call would be a nice thing to have

  149. moparisthebest

    (I certainly could be convinced otherwise, I wouldn't be the only blocker for instance if everyone else wanted to)

  150. jonas’

    I understand that that's not everyone's cup of tea, and I also hear the concerns about the meetings being as transparent as possible

  151. jonas’

    I also agree that having this on every meeting is probably going to be problematic

  152. jonas’

    Ge0rG was the strongest oppoent, I don't think it makes much sense to discuss this without him present

  153. daniel

    yes I agree

  154. daniel

    moving on then

  155. daniel

    7) Date of Next

  156. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm

  157. daniel

    i'm actually on vacation next week. jonas’ could you take over chair for that week?

  158. jonas’

    daniel, I can, can you send me a reminder?

  159. larma

    I'm also traveling next week, but might still be able to make it.

  160. jonas’

    +1w wfm otherwise

  161. daniel

    I can send the agenda and mention that again in the agenda? (because i'm actually only leaving wednesday so sending the agenda should be fine)

  162. jonas’

    thanks, that would work

  163. daniel


  164. daniel

    8) AOB

  165. moparisthebest

    not here

  166. jonas’

    me neiher

  167. larma


  168. daniel

    9) Close

  169. daniel

    thank you everyone

  170. larma

    Thanks 🙂

  171. moparisthebest

    thanks all, and thanks Sam for updating those security considerations :)

  172. moparisthebest

    outside of the meeting I'd like to get a feel for what you all think about adding more things to host-meta XRD similar to XEP-0156, should that go in 156 or be a new protoxep ?

  173. moparisthebest

    if it changes your opinion, I'd also like to change the business rules, I'll be adding records in the XRD that have SRV info in them, so the "only grab this after you try SRV" will be changed to "you can grab this *instead* of doing SRV"

  174. moparisthebest

    so roughly adding this type of info into the host-meta XML document https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hacx.html#example-1

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