XMPP Council - 2022-03-09

Looks like we don't have an agenda this week. Also unfortunately Tedd got distracted from writing awesome meeting minutes.

I also have nothing this week for once, thanks jonas’ for getting that editor work done :)

we could achieve quorum tho

I'd like to bring up the inconsistencies I noticed while grepping the XEPs

I didn't realize it's Wednesday until this morning. However as far as I can tell there is nothing new to vote on and no pending votes. My plan was to formally get through the meeting but do it quickly. I'm not feeling very well

to be fair, until this morning it wasn't wednesday

well played, jonas’

I don't mind postponing the XEP namespace shenanigans

I don't mind either

👍

oh wait

ok. it's time

1) Roll call

hello

<presence/> ✏

did larma say he is not going to make it?

I think larma was absent last week, too

ok. i'll try to reach out to him. the week before that he mentioned he might be traveling

2) Agenda bashing

The agenda is good as is

can’t bash an agenda that doesn’t exist

3) editors update

the editor merged and published a few things

jonas’, published the two new xeps we voted on on. and all the obsoletions

may be worth looking at the deprecations and changes because of security issues

(^ that note for any onlookers, council is well aware I think)

4) Items for voting

Here now, sorry internet was gone

nothing new this week

5) Pending votes

none

6) Date of next

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

7) AOB

daniel: it's your decision whether I should postpone or not.

+1w wfm fwiw

Ge0rG, give me the cliff notes version so i can put it on next weeks agenda

(cross-pasting from yesterday xsf@)

So I've done a bunch of grepping of XEPs for xmlns'es, and got some artifacts where I'm not sure if they are editorial or normative. - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0406.html#example-4 is using <pubsub xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/'> which is not the pubsub xmlns - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0105.html#example-1 is mixing /profile/ and /protocol/ in funny ways - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0087.html#example-4 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/si' instead of /protocol/si/ - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html#example-8 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/si-pub' and example 9 has /sipub - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html mentions a non-existing /protocol/iqibb namespace

examples are never normative

purely judging from the urls

The actual result of my greppage was https://op-co.de/tmp/namespacemap.txt which is an apache config for jabber.org to http redirect from an old-school namespace like http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items to the respective XEP

but they should be proper nonetheless

larma, yes but it means we can just fix them

editorial

that's true

Ge0rG, do you want to provide PRs for next week?

daniel: I'd like to escalate that to people actually well-versed in the respective XEPs

I can do it by means of PRs and then somebody needs to ping the authors

but maybe there is a more straight-forward way to it?

This is what I wanted to discuss in council

Ge0rG, these changes are editorial, they don’t need to go through author nor council.

ok. i'll put it on the agenda for next week. to me it just seems like fixing typos in examples that probably doesn’t even have to go through council

Ge0rG, '390 is not to be touched

in that regard

but i'm fine discussing this in more detail next week

Alright, I can do PRs for the examples and see if anything remains

that one is an example taken from a database and changing it would involve changing the resulting hashes etc.

jonas’: I thought so much, but where the heck did you get that namespace from?

I pulled that example from some caps database I found

looked for a thing having all the things (forms, identities, etc.), took that one.

from here probably: https://github.com/xnyhps/capsdb/

jonas’: given that this looks editorial, do you want one big PR or individual ones?

individual ones are better

alright.

libpurple and Tkabber both carry this namespace from a cursory search.

The former only for its tests.

no other aob i assume?

in that case:

8) Close

I wonder if there is also a /protocol/iddqd namespace somewhere.

daniel: thanks very much, get well soon!

thank you

thanks all, feel better daniel

thanks daniel

Ah, iSida bot also has support for iqibb.

Link Mauve: but what does it do?

Matrix has it commented out.

Ge0rG, apparently nothing, just in its disco plugin.

the xeps git history only ever has that in '390

Probably something invented by Tkabber.