XMPP Council - 2022-03-09


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  118. Ge0rG Looks like we don't have an agenda this week. Also unfortunately Tedd got distracted from writing awesome meeting minutes.
  119. moparisthebest I also have nothing this week for once, thanks jonas’ for getting that editor work done :)
  120. jonas’ we could achieve quorum tho
  121. Ge0rG I'd like to bring up the inconsistencies I noticed while grepping the XEPs
  122. daniel I didn't realize it's Wednesday until this morning. However as far as I can tell there is nothing new to vote on and no pending votes. My plan was to formally get through the meeting but do it quickly. I'm not feeling very well
  123. jonas’ to be fair, until this morning it wasn't wednesday
  124. Ge0rG well played, jonas’
  125. Ge0rG I don't mind postponing the XEP namespace shenanigans
  126. jonas’ I don't mind either
  127. daniel 👍
  128. Ge0rG .o/
  129. Ge0rG oh wait
  130. daniel ok. it's time
  131. daniel 1) Roll call
  132. moparisthebest hello
  133. Ge0rG .o/
  134. jonas’ present
  135. jonas’ <presence/>
  136. daniel did larma say he is not going to make it?
  137. daniel didn’t even read last weeks log...
  138. jonas’ I think larma was absent last week, too
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  140. daniel ok. i'll try to reach out to him. the week before that he mentioned he might be traveling
  141. daniel 2) Agenda bashing
  142. Ge0rG The agenda is good as is
  143. daniel can’t bash an agenda that doesn’t exist
  144. daniel 3) editors update
  145. jonas’ the editor merged and published a few things
  146. daniel jonas’, published the two new xeps we voted on on. and all the obsoletions
  147. jonas’ may be worth looking at the deprecations and changes because of security issues
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  149. jonas’ (^ that note for any onlookers, council is well aware I think)
  150. daniel 4) Items for voting
  151. larma Here now, sorry internet was gone
  152. daniel nothing new this week
  153. daniel 5) Pending votes
  154. daniel none
  155. daniel 6) Date of next
  156. moparisthebest +1w wfm
  157. daniel +1w wfm
  158. Ge0rG +1w wfm
  159. larma +1w wfm
  160. daniel 7) AOB
  161. Ge0rG daniel: it's your decision whether I should postpone or not.
  162. jonas’ +1w wfm fwiw
  163. daniel Ge0rG, give me the cliff notes version so i can put it on next weeks agenda
  164. Ge0rG (cross-pasting from yesterday xsf@)
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  166. Ge0rG So I've done a bunch of grepping of XEPs for xmlns'es, and got some artifacts where I'm not sure if they are editorial or normative. - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0406.html#example-4 is using <pubsub xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/'> which is not the pubsub xmlns - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0105.html#example-1 is mixing /profile/ and /protocol/ in funny ways - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0087.html#example-4 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/si' instead of /protocol/si/ - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html#example-8 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/si-pub' and example 9 has /sipub - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html mentions a non-existing /protocol/iqibb namespace
  167. daniel examples are never normative
  168. daniel purely judging from the urls
  169. Ge0rG The actual result of my greppage was https://op-co.de/tmp/namespacemap.txt which is an apache config for jabber.org to http redirect from an old-school namespace like http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items to the respective XEP
  170. larma but they should be proper nonetheless
  171. daniel larma, yes but it means we can just fix them
  172. daniel editorial
  173. larma that's true
  174. daniel Ge0rG, do you want to provide PRs for next week?
  175. Ge0rG daniel: I'd like to escalate that to people actually well-versed in the respective XEPs
  176. Ge0rG I can do it by means of PRs and then somebody needs to ping the authors
  177. Ge0rG but maybe there is a more straight-forward way to it?
  178. Ge0rG This is what I wanted to discuss in council
  179. Link Mauve Ge0rG, these changes are editorial, they don’t need to go through author nor council.
  180. daniel ok. i'll put it on the agenda for next week. to me it just seems like fixing typos in examples that probably doesn’t even have to go through council
  181. jonas’ Ge0rG, '390 is not to be touched
  182. jonas’ in that regard
  183. daniel but i'm fine discussing this in more detail next week
  184. Ge0rG Alright, I can do PRs for the examples and see if anything remains
  185. jonas’ that one is an example taken from a database and changing it would involve changing the resulting hashes etc.
  186. Ge0rG jonas’: I thought so much, but where the heck did you get that namespace from?
  187. jonas’ I pulled that example from some caps database I found
  188. jonas’ looked for a thing having all the things (forms, identities, etc.), took that one.
  189. jonas’ from here probably: https://github.com/xnyhps/capsdb/
  190. Ge0rG jonas’: given that this looks editorial, do you want one big PR or individual ones?
  191. jonas’ individual ones are better
  192. Ge0rG ,oO( I need a CLI for that. )
  193. Ge0rG alright.
  194. Link Mauve libpurple and Tkabber both carry this namespace from a cursory search.
  195. Link Mauve The former only for its tests.
  196. daniel no other aob i assume?
  197. daniel in that case:
  198. daniel 8) Close
  199. Ge0rG I wonder if there is also a /protocol/iddqd namespace somewhere.
  200. Ge0rG daniel: thanks very much, get well soon!
  201. daniel thank you
  202. moparisthebest thanks all, feel better daniel
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  204. jonas’ thanks daniel
  205. Link Mauve Ah, iSida bot also has support for iqibb.
  206. Ge0rG Link Mauve: but what does it do?
  207. Link Mauve Matrix has it commented out.
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  209. Link Mauve Ge0rG, apparently nothing, just in its disco plugin.
  210. Ge0rG the xeps git history only ever has that in '390
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  212. Link Mauve Probably something invented by Tkabber.
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