XMPP Council - 2022-03-09

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  118. Ge0rG

    Looks like we don't have an agenda this week. Also unfortunately Tedd got distracted from writing awesome meeting minutes.

  119. moparisthebest

    I also have nothing this week for once, thanks jonas’ for getting that editor work done :)

  120. jonas’

    we could achieve quorum tho

  121. Ge0rG

    I'd like to bring up the inconsistencies I noticed while grepping the XEPs

  122. daniel

    I didn't realize it's Wednesday until this morning. However as far as I can tell there is nothing new to vote on and no pending votes. My plan was to formally get through the meeting but do it quickly. I'm not feeling very well

  123. jonas’

    to be fair, until this morning it wasn't wednesday

  124. Ge0rG

    well played, jonas’

  125. Ge0rG

    I don't mind postponing the XEP namespace shenanigans

  126. jonas’

    I don't mind either

  127. daniel


  128. Ge0rG .o/

  129. Ge0rG

    oh wait

  130. daniel

    ok. it's time

  131. daniel

    1) Roll call

  132. moparisthebest


  133. Ge0rG .o/

  134. jonas’


  135. jonas’


  136. daniel

    did larma say he is not going to make it?

  137. daniel didn’t even read last weeks log...

  138. jonas’

    I think larma was absent last week, too

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  140. daniel

    ok. i'll try to reach out to him. the week before that he mentioned he might be traveling

  141. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  142. Ge0rG

    The agenda is good as is

  143. daniel

    can’t bash an agenda that doesn’t exist

  144. daniel

    3) editors update

  145. jonas’

    the editor merged and published a few things

  146. daniel

    jonas’, published the two new xeps we voted on on. and all the obsoletions

  147. jonas’

    may be worth looking at the deprecations and changes because of security issues

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  149. jonas’

    (^ that note for any onlookers, council is well aware I think)

  150. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  151. larma

    Here now, sorry internet was gone

  152. daniel

    nothing new this week

  153. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  154. daniel


  155. daniel

    6) Date of next

  156. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm

  157. daniel

    +1w wfm

  158. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  159. larma

    +1w wfm

  160. daniel

    7) AOB

  161. Ge0rG

    daniel: it's your decision whether I should postpone or not.

  162. jonas’

    +1w wfm fwiw

  163. daniel

    Ge0rG, give me the cliff notes version so i can put it on next weeks agenda

  164. Ge0rG

    (cross-pasting from yesterday xsf@)

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  166. Ge0rG

    So I've done a bunch of grepping of XEPs for xmlns'es, and got some artifacts where I'm not sure if they are editorial or normative. - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0406.html#example-4 is using <pubsub xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/'> which is not the pubsub xmlns - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0105.html#example-1 is mixing /profile/ and /protocol/ in funny ways - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0087.html#example-4 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/si' instead of /protocol/si/ - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html#example-8 is using xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/si-pub' and example 9 has /sipub - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html mentions a non-existing /protocol/iqibb namespace

  167. daniel

    examples are never normative

  168. daniel

    purely judging from the urls

  169. Ge0rG

    The actual result of my greppage was https://op-co.de/tmp/namespacemap.txt which is an apache config for jabber.org to http redirect from an old-school namespace like http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items to the respective XEP

  170. larma

    but they should be proper nonetheless

  171. daniel

    larma, yes but it means we can just fix them

  172. daniel


  173. larma

    that's true

  174. daniel

    Ge0rG, do you want to provide PRs for next week?

  175. Ge0rG

    daniel: I'd like to escalate that to people actually well-versed in the respective XEPs

  176. Ge0rG

    I can do it by means of PRs and then somebody needs to ping the authors

  177. Ge0rG

    but maybe there is a more straight-forward way to it?

  178. Ge0rG

    This is what I wanted to discuss in council

  179. Link Mauve

    Ge0rG, these changes are editorial, they don’t need to go through author nor council.

  180. daniel

    ok. i'll put it on the agenda for next week. to me it just seems like fixing typos in examples that probably doesn’t even have to go through council

  181. jonas’

    Ge0rG, '390 is not to be touched

  182. jonas’

    in that regard

  183. daniel

    but i'm fine discussing this in more detail next week

  184. Ge0rG

    Alright, I can do PRs for the examples and see if anything remains

  185. jonas’

    that one is an example taken from a database and changing it would involve changing the resulting hashes etc.

  186. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I thought so much, but where the heck did you get that namespace from?

  187. jonas’

    I pulled that example from some caps database I found

  188. jonas’

    looked for a thing having all the things (forms, identities, etc.), took that one.

  189. jonas’

    from here probably: https://github.com/xnyhps/capsdb/

  190. Ge0rG

    jonas’: given that this looks editorial, do you want one big PR or individual ones?

  191. jonas’

    individual ones are better

  192. Ge0rG ,oO( I need a CLI for that. )

  193. Ge0rG


  194. Link Mauve

    libpurple and Tkabber both carry this namespace from a cursory search.

  195. Link Mauve

    The former only for its tests.

  196. daniel

    no other aob i assume?

  197. daniel

    in that case:

  198. daniel

    8) Close

  199. Ge0rG

    I wonder if there is also a /protocol/iddqd namespace somewhere.

  200. Ge0rG

    daniel: thanks very much, get well soon!

  201. daniel

    thank you

  202. moparisthebest

    thanks all, feel better daniel

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  204. jonas’

    thanks daniel

  205. Link Mauve

    Ah, iSida bot also has support for iqibb.

  206. Ge0rG

    Link Mauve: but what does it do?

  207. Link Mauve

    Matrix has it commented out.

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  209. Link Mauve

    Ge0rG, apparently nothing, just in its disco plugin.

  210. Ge0rG

    the xeps git history only ever has that in '390

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  212. Link Mauve

    Probably something invented by Tkabber.

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