XMPP Council - 2022-06-01

Today: "XMPP Council Meeting Wann Mi, 1. Juni, 17:00 – 17:30 Wo xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join Beschreibung Weekly XMPP Council meeting " with BBB?

Ingolf: council meetings are text only afaik

and if they weren't we'd be required by law to use something XMPP based like jitsi

by bylaw.

by bylaw law

and I swear if someone says "well zoom is XMPP based..." .......

well, zoom *is* XMPP based

Thank you for the answer. > and if they weren't we'd be required by law to use something XMPP based like jitsi Good, very nice!

about as much as jitsi ;P

no

why?

I'm just fooling around, I have other reasons for hating zoom, just because it uses XMPP does not redeem it :P

Is it here? Jitsi Meet Link?

the council meeting will start in one minute, here.

text only

actually, in 3 seconds ✏

OK

1) Roll Call

o/

do we have a Ge0rG or a larma?

yes

\o/

good morning!

that's a quorum

very nice

2) Agenda Bashing

bash away, I didn't write it

nothing apparently

3) Editor's Update

none, there is a protoxep in the pre-submission pipeline, but it has syntactical problmes so it wasn't published yesterday

4) Items for voting

a) Issue Last Call on XEP-0215: External Service Discovery (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html)

+1

+1

Do we have a shepherd for that LC?

excellent question

as daniel brought it up, I'll shove it to him :)

+1

I'm +1 on the condition that Daniel or somebody else volunteers to actually incorporate LC feedback.

do you think that condition makes sense?

why would you block it if there was nobody incorporating that feedback immediately?

(I'm asking, becasue conditional +1s are tricky to note :-))

jonas’: because feedback is best served fresh. Two years from now, nobody will remember what was needed to change and why.

feedback seems valuable even if no one is available to incorporate it immediately

well I'd hope that the what & why was in the mailing list thread :-)

Anybody still remembers that XEP that shall not be named that went through six Last Calls?

Bleach? Bleach!

jonas’: yeah, but if there is ambiguity on the thread, the shepherd needs to come up and ask to clarify

jonas’: so unfortunately, I _do_ consider the condition as blocking

ok

we'll have to figure that out in two weeks then

(but only because I haven't seen any recent activity from the authors)

5) Date of Next

I'm not available +1w

+1W WFM

daniel also noted he'd be absent next week

larma is possibly still uncertain, and given the lack of chair and deputy chair, I propose we skip next week and reconvene on 2022-06-15

(then without moparisthebest IIRC)

I also have a conflicht on -15

well

so the 15th has the same situation as the 8th

+1w wfm, June 15th does not though

jonas’: except that nobody is going to chair on 8th

that's correct

15th looks like a chaired quorum, so probably makes sense as the next one.

so we skip the 8th and daniel, larma and I will see what happens on the 15th

we can at least figure out what's going to happen with '215

alright, date of next is then 2022-06-15

6) AOB

any other business from anyone?

from Ingolf maybe, as you asked so curiously where the council meeting happens? ✏

Google Summer of Coude 2022?

that's a vague question and doesn't sound like something for the council ✏

did anybody see the board in recent weeks?

the council is primarily concerned with judging XEP contributions. activities such as the GSoC participation are coordinated by the Board

I think they had a meeting last week

Bummer, I missed it. I remember I wanted to put something onto their agenda, but then no meeting happened when I expected it

Write an email?

but I can't find any traces in the logs

yep, write an email

the board's email inbox address is info@xmpp.org if I'm not mistaken

..by bylaw law... 🤐

any other AOB?

not from me, and thanks jonas’ !

taking the remaining silence as a "no"

7) Ite Meeting Est

thanks everyone

thank you jonas’

oh, I actually forgot an AOB. But it's a rather sad one.

Oh no

wanna bring it up before everyone heads out?

yes please.

then do so, please

6) AOB again

we haven't seen any meeting minutes for a looooong time. Something must have happened to theTedd, and it's probably appropriate to ask for a new volunteer.

we were in a similar situation about exactly a year ago

and yeah

and then theTedd reappeared?

yes, briefly

And then you did the minutes

once, yes

but I don't feel like doing that anymore at this time

we all know this feeling

I'd participate in a rotating schedule between all of us, but I won't do it all the time

maybe we can ask Board to ask for volunteers?

my experience with doing that is not great

Hmyeah.

so

it appears the others have let already, so I'll see if I can bring it up again on the 15th

if berlin hasn't flushed my short term memory in the meantime ✏

jonas’: I wish you the best of luck

heh

7) Ite Meeting Est for real now

also don't do drugs!

I won't, hopefully

(you never know what's in conference catering!)

Thanks, it was nice. Who else is interested? You can continue at the "Literatur Café 7". xmpp:test-ccc-1@conference.monocles.de?join Also with a Jitsi Meet Link. Over coffee. ;-)

Last time I checked, Jitsi Meet didn't support coffee transfer

;-)

Ingolf, please refrain from posting advertisments here. First and last warning, because I saw this behaviour from you elsewhere in the past.

I'm advertising this space because I thought you might not know it. Such a reaction surprises me. I think Jabber/XMPP is a great thing. This room is to help spread XMPP, but not to stress about it. It succeeds somewhat. Of course, refrain from using it here if it's not wanted here.

it might surprise you to know we already know about XMPP :)

I really like the ideological, humanistic ideas of XMPP behind the good technology of Jabber.

Ingolf: but this is not the place to discuss all that. This room is for the weekly Council meetings and everything else is off-topic.

There are many other XMPP rooms, even some focused on XMPP

Sorry, thought it would fit in here somehow. Maybe it does a bit, Ge0rG.