XMPP Council - 2022-06-01

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  133. Ingolf

    Today: "XMPP Council Meeting Wann Mi, 1. Juni, 17:00 – 17:30 Wo xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join Beschreibung Weekly XMPP Council meeting " with BBB?

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  135. vanitasvitae_

    Ingolf: council meetings are text only afaik

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  137. moparisthebest

    and if they weren't we'd be required by law to use something XMPP based like jitsi

  138. Ge0rG

    by bylaw.

  139. vanitasvitae_

    by bylaw law

  140. moparisthebest

    and I swear if someone says "well zoom is XMPP based..." .......

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  142. jonas’

    well, zoom *is* XMPP based

  143. Ingolf

    Thank you for the answer. > and if they weren't we'd be required by law to use something XMPP based like jitsi Good, very nice!

  144. jonas’

    about as much as jitsi ;P

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  147. moparisthebest

    I'm just fooling around, I have other reasons for hating zoom, just because it uses XMPP does not redeem it :P

  148. Ingolf

    Is it here? Jitsi Meet Link?

  149. jonas’

    the council meeting will start in one minute, here.

  150. jonas’

    text only

  151. jonas’

    actually, in 3 seconds

  152. jonas’

    actually, in 3 seconds

  153. Ingolf


  154. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  155. moparisthebest


  156. jonas’

    do we have a Ge0rG or a larma?

  157. larma


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  159. Ge0rG

    good morning!

  160. jonas’

    that's a quorum

  161. jonas’

    very nice

  162. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  163. jonas’

    bash away, I didn't write it

  164. jonas’

    nothing apparently

  165. jonas’

    3) Editor's Update

  166. jonas’

    none, there is a protoxep in the pre-submission pipeline, but it has syntactical problmes so it wasn't published yesterday

  167. jonas’

    4) Items for voting

  168. jonas’

    a) Issue Last Call on XEP-0215: External Service Discovery (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html)

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  170. moparisthebest


  171. Ge0rG

    Do we have a shepherd for that LC?

  172. jonas’

    excellent question

  173. jonas’

    as daniel brought it up, I'll shove it to him :)

  174. larma


  175. Ge0rG

    I'm +1 on the condition that Daniel or somebody else volunteers to actually incorporate LC feedback.

  176. jonas’

    do you think that condition makes sense?

  177. jonas’

    why would you block it if there was nobody incorporating that feedback immediately?

  178. jonas’

    (I'm asking, becasue conditional +1s are tricky to note :-))

  179. Ge0rG

    jonas’: because feedback is best served fresh. Two years from now, nobody will remember what was needed to change and why.

  180. moparisthebest

    feedback seems valuable even if no one is available to incorporate it immediately

  181. jonas’

    well I'd hope that the what & why was in the mailing list thread :-)

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  183. Ge0rG

    Anybody still remembers that XEP that shall not be named that went through six Last Calls?

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  185. jonas’ screams in terror

  186. Zash

    Bleach? Bleach!

  187. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yeah, but if there is ambiguity on the thread, the shepherd needs to come up and ask to clarify

  188. Ge0rG

    jonas’: so unfortunately, I _do_ consider the condition as blocking

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  190. jonas’

    we'll have to figure that out in two weeks then

  191. Ge0rG

    (but only because I haven't seen any recent activity from the authors)

  192. jonas’

    5) Date of Next

  193. jonas’

    I'm not available +1w

  194. Ge0rG

    +1W WFM

  195. jonas’

    daniel also noted he'd be absent next week

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  197. jonas’

    larma is possibly still uncertain, and given the lack of chair and deputy chair, I propose we skip next week and reconvene on 2022-06-15

  198. jonas’

    (then without moparisthebest IIRC)

  199. Ge0rG

    I also have a conflicht on -15

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  201. jonas’

    so the 15th has the same situation as the 8th

  202. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm, June 15th does not though

  203. Ge0rG

    jonas’: except that nobody is going to chair on 8th

  204. jonas’

    that's correct

  205. Ge0rG

    15th looks like a chaired quorum, so probably makes sense as the next one.

  206. jonas’

    so we skip the 8th and daniel, larma and I will see what happens on the 15th

  207. jonas’

    we can at least figure out what's going to happen with '215

  208. jonas’

    alright, date of next is then 2022-06-15

  209. jonas’

    6) AOB

  210. jonas’

    any other business from anyone?

  211. jonas’

    from Ingolf maybe, as you asked so curiously where the board meeting happens?

  212. jonas’

    from Ingolf maybe, as you asked so curiously where the council meeting happens?

  213. Ingolf

    Google Summer of Coude 2022?

  214. jonas’

    that's a vague question and doesn't sound like something for the councli

  215. jonas’

    that's a vague question and doesn't sound like something for the council

  216. Ge0rG

    did anybody see the board in recent weeks?

  217. jonas’

    the council is primarily concerned with judging XEP contributions. activities such as the GSoC participation are coordinated by the Board

  218. jonas’

    I think they had a meeting last week

  219. Ge0rG

    Bummer, I missed it. I remember I wanted to put something onto their agenda, but then no meeting happened when I expected it

  220. Zash

    Write an email?

  221. jonas’

    but I can't find any traces in the logs

  222. jonas’

    yep, write an email

  223. jonas’

    the board's email inbox address is info@xmpp.org if I'm not mistaken

  224. Ge0rG

    ..by bylaw law... 🤐

  225. jonas’

    any other AOB?

  226. moparisthebest

    not from me, and thanks jonas’ !

  227. jonas’

    taking the remaining silence as a "no"

  228. jonas’

    7) Ite Meeting Est

  229. jonas’

    thanks everyone

  230. Ge0rG

    thank you jonas’

  231. Ge0rG

    oh, I actually forgot an AOB. But it's a rather sad one.

  232. Zash

    Oh no

  233. jonas’

    wanna bring it up before everyone heads out?

  234. Ge0rG

    yes please.

  235. jonas’

    then do so, please

  236. jonas’

    6) AOB again

  237. Ge0rG

    we haven't seen any meeting minutes for a looooong time. Something must have happened to theTedd, and it's probably appropriate to ask for a new volunteer.

  238. jonas’

    we were in a similar situation about exactly a year ago

  239. jonas’

    and yeah

  240. Ge0rG

    and then theTedd reappeared?

  241. jonas’

    yes, briefly

  242. Ge0rG

    And then you did the minutes

  243. jonas’

    once, yes

  244. jonas’

    but I don't feel like doing that anymore at this time

  245. Ge0rG

    we all know this feeling

  246. jonas’

    I'd participate in a rotating schedule between all of us, but I won't do it all the time

  247. Ge0rG

    maybe we can ask Board to ask for volunteers?

  248. jonas’

    my experience with doing that is not great

  249. Ge0rG


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  251. jonas’

    it appears the others have let already, so I'll see if I can bring it up again on the 15th

  252. jonas’

    if berlin hasn't flushed my short term memory in the meantine

  253. jonas’

    if berlin hasn't flushed my short term memory in the meantime

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  256. Ge0rG

    jonas’: I wish you the best of luck

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  258. jonas’

    7) Ite Meeting Est for real now

  259. Ge0rG

    also don't do drugs!

  260. jonas’

    I won't, hopefully

  261. jonas’

    (you never know what's in conference catering!)

  262. Ingolf

    Thanks, it was nice. Who else is interested? You can continue at the "Literatur Café 7". xmpp:test-ccc-1@conference.monocles.de?join Also with a Jitsi Meet Link. Over coffee. ;-)

  263. Ge0rG

    Last time I checked, Jitsi Meet didn't support coffee transfer

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  265. jonas’

    Ingolf, please refrain from posting advertisments here. First and last warning, because I saw this behaviour from you elsewhere in the past.

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  267. Ingolf

    I'm advertising this space because I thought you might not know it. Such a reaction surprises me. I think Jabber/XMPP is a great thing. This room is to help spread XMPP, but not to stress about it. It succeeds somewhat. Of course, refrain from using it here if it's not wanted here.

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  270. moparisthebest

    it might surprise you to know we already know about XMPP :)

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  281. Ingolf

    I really like the ideological, humanistic ideas of XMPP behind the good technology of Jabber.

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  283. Ge0rG

    Ingolf: but this is not the place to discuss all that. This room is for the weekly Council meetings and everything else is off-topic.

  284. Ge0rG

    There are many other XMPP rooms, even some focused on XMPP

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  295. Ingolf

    Sorry, thought it would fit in here somehow. Maybe it does a bit, Ge0rG.

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