XMPP Council - 2022-08-10


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  110. moparisthebest it's time for my weekly ping-the-council-room-so-it-moves-to-the-top-of-my-chat-lists
  111. jonas’ blerg
  112. Zash MEETINGS!
  113. Zash ponders a bot poking the 'pinned' bookmark extension...
  114. daniel It's time
  115. daniel 1) roll call
  116. larma 👋️
  117. moparisthebest Hello!
  118. Ge0rG
  119. daniel i assume jonas’ is still here from 3 mins ago?
  120. jonas’ ..
  121. jonas’ yeah more or less
  122. daniel 2) Agenda Bashing
  123. jonas’ knee deep in burning piles of chaos
  124. daniel nothing to bash
  125. daniel 3) Editors update none
  126. daniel 4) Items for voting - Nothing new this week
  127. daniel 5) Pending votes
  128. daniel - Georg on Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Attachments
  129. daniel last chance today
  130. daniel - Everyone on Move XEP-0215: External Service Discovery to stable
  131. Ge0rG +1 on Pubsub Attachments
  132. Ge0rG I kinda sorta voted +1 on XEP-0215 last meeting
  133. jonas’ I seem to recall to have written something to the list
  134. jonas’ was there feedback on that?
  135. daniel anyone wants to vote on 215 - the arguments both Zash and MattJ brought up wrt http proxy kinda of convinced me to leave it configurable
  136. daniel not to your email
  137. jonas’ (sorry, haven't touched my private inbox today yet... still working)
  138. moparisthebest yea I agree, there isn't a major compelling reason to remove the extra stuff, and if people have ideas in mind that's good enough
  139. daniel Ge0rG, yes they were some kind of sort of votes last week but i didn’t record any
  140. daniel but i recorded your +1 now
  141. moparisthebest I'm going to go ahead and vote +1 on 215
  142. jonas’ HTTP proxies sound good indeed
  143. jonas’ they are similar enough to STUN/TURN that it makes sense, too
  144. daniel I’m +1 based on that
  145. larma I also see the issue of push functionality which apparently isn't implemented either
  146. jonas’ migth want to change that into "authenticated proxy protocol services" ("APPS") eventually, but I'm good with it as-is
  147. jonas’ +1
  148. jonas’ larma, didn't someone mention using push?
  149. moparisthebest I believe Zash said he implemented push
  150. daniel i haven’t implemented push but I can sort of see the point. especially once we have http in there
  151. Zash I did, as a prototype, as it would be more standards-compliant than what it was meant to replace.
  152. moparisthebest there is prior art there, I believe 368 was moved to stable when no one had implemented the s2s part, and now people have :/
  153. larma I mean, it's probably fine to move to stable anyway
  154. jonas’ stable/draft does not require implementations
  155. Zash moparisthebest, implementations is a condition for Final, not Stable
  156. jonas’ ^5 Zash
  157. larma yes, but lack of implementations might indicate lack of usefullness, given that most XEPs are experimental for long time
  158. jonas’ let's not get into that right now
  159. jonas’ (Experimental explicitly discourages implementations)
  160. larma discourages *production* implementations
  161. larma but encourages experimental implementations
  162. Ge0rG > moparisthebest, implementations is a condition for Final, not Stable Would it make sense to change our process to require implementations for Stable?
  163. jonas’ fair enough
  164. jonas’ but an experimental push implementation does exist, larma
  165. larma yes, I noted that
  166. jonas’ ok
  167. larma I'm also +1 now knowing that 😉
  168. jonas’ sorry, I can only pay attention wtih about 20% of my mind here
  169. jonas’ so I might miss subtext or context on some statements
  170. daniel moparisthebest, do you have a vote too?
  171. moparisthebest daniel, already voted +1 up above yours
  172. Zash as I think I said, the use case for 215-push may be better served by integrating with bind2, but that's not ready yet...
  173. daniel sorry I missed that
  174. moparisthebest np :D
  175. daniel it's recorded now. so let's move on
  176. daniel 6) Date of Next
  177. jonas’ +1w wfm
  178. daniel +1w wfm
  179. larma +1w wfm
  180. moparisthebest +1w wfm
  181. Ge0rG I'll have to miss next week
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  183. daniel Ge0rG, noted
  184. daniel 7) AOB
  185. moparisthebest nothing here
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  187. larma FYI, I wrote Dave regarding fallbacks but he was on holiday last week
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  189. daniel ok. no other aob I assume
  190. daniel 8) Close
  191. daniel thank you all
  192. moparisthebest thanks daniel !
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  194. jonas’ thanks daniel !
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