XMPP Council - 2022-10-26

1) Roll call

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jonas’?

2) Agenda bashing

none

3) Editor updates no updates this week

4) Items for voting

nothing new this week

5) Pending votes

all new xeps from last week have pending votes.

let's go through them one by one

pubsub social feed. pending votes from marvin Ge0rG and me

+1

+1

erp

here

sorry, dino wasn't joined

+1

Ge0rG, do you have a vote for us?

daniel: unfortunately not, no

ok. no worries. moving on

OpenPGP for PubSub. pending votes from everyone except larma

+1

+1

on-list

+1

SASL scram downgrade protection

everyone is pending on that one

+1

on-list

+1

+1

moparisthebest do you want to cast a vote?

I'm +1 even though we should probably just do some HPKP style public key pinning and forget SCRAM all together...

6) Date of Next

+1w wfm

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7) AOB

(+1w wfm)

don’t forget to reapply (if you want to)

other than that I got nothing

uh-uh

no applicants yet

jonas’, have you heard anything from dwd?

I have not

ok. I assume there are no other AOB

8) Close

thank you all. see you next week

thanks daniel 🙂

thanks daniel & all

thanks!

does anyone know another way to reach dwd except by email?

we should figure out what to do with larmas PR

I'm generally slightly frustrated about how we deal with inactive authors. frustrated not because I'm blaming anyone but the status quo is often $someone proposes XEP; nothing happens for years; someone else finds XEP useful; provides feedback but by that time $someone has become inactive in the community (or might not even work in the industry anymore)

but I don’t really have a good solution for that.

the council can just grant authorship to the new person right?

I think we should just do that more aggressively

yes, and we've done that before

I'm wondering if we should put some rules around that. Like any deferred XEP is up for grabs for example

I'd have thought a policy of needing authors to reply to a mail within a month, and then Council finds a co-Author to take it on, would be fairly sensible. Less long than that clearly isn't because holidays, etc., but people *do* leave the industry (I'm not sure Dave is still doing any XMPP, although I'd expect he'd have responded anyway).

because otherwise it feels slightly political if council "punished" less active authors

yea I think a period of time with no response is perfect, a month seems fine

+1 for a one-month notice period to prior authors

> I'm wondering if we should put some rules around that. Like any deferred XEP is up for grabs for example XEPs often go deferred because the Author was the only one trying to do anything with them, so assigning new authors automatically when deferred seems not quite right, to me.

If a policy gets put in place now, I'd suggest making sure it's publicised on the list, and taking effect from now, rather than retroactively.

> so assigning new authors automatically when deferred seems not quite right, to me. well I was thinking unaddressed feedback + obsolete + new volunteer

but yes I'm literally just thinking out loud; not making any real suggestions

do we need to put it into XEP-0001?

the policy now is basically just "whenever the council feels like it" no ?

I'd have thought sending a proposal to list likely to generate useful discussion, FWIW.

> the policy now is basically just "whenever the council feels like it" no ? Yes. So Council could come up with a policy without encoding it, I think.

yep so just a notice seems good enough, if someone comes up with a really good argument against it we can just change our minds

I think "anyone find a reason this is a bad idea?" would be better than just announcing, but don't feel strongly enough to argue much.