XMPP Council - 2022-10-26

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  157. daniel

    1) Roll call

  158. moparisthebest


  159. Ge0rG


  160. larma


  161. daniel


  162. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  163. daniel


  164. daniel

    3) Editor updates no updates this week

  165. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  166. daniel

    nothing new this week

  167. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  168. daniel

    all new xeps from last week have pending votes.

  169. Ge0rG checks Table of Doom, closes tab in despair

  170. daniel

    let's go through them one by one

  171. daniel

    pubsub social feed. pending votes from marvin Ge0rG and me

  172. daniel


  173. larma


  174. jonas’


  175. jonas’


  176. jonas’

    sorry, dino wasn't joined

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  178. daniel

    Ge0rG, do you have a vote for us?

  179. Ge0rG

    daniel: unfortunately not, no

  180. daniel

    ok. no worries. moving on

  181. daniel

    OpenPGP for PubSub. pending votes from everyone except larma

  182. daniel


  183. jonas’


  184. Ge0rG


  185. moparisthebest


  186. daniel

    SASL scram downgrade protection

  187. daniel

    everyone is pending on that one

  188. daniel


  189. Ge0rG


  190. jonas’


  191. larma


  192. daniel

    moparisthebest do you want to cast a vote?

  193. moparisthebest

    I'm +1 even though we should probably just do some HPKP style public key pinning and forget SCRAM all together...

  194. daniel

    6) Date of Next

  195. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm

  196. larma

    +1w wfm

  197. daniel

    +1w wfm

  198. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  199. daniel

    7) AOB

  200. jonas’

    (+1w wfm)

  201. daniel

    don’t forget to reapply (if you want to)

  202. moparisthebest

    other than that I got nothing

  203. jonas’


  204. jonas’

    no applicants yet

  205. larma

    jonas’, have you heard anything from dwd?

  206. jonas’

    I have not

  207. daniel

    ok. I assume there are no other AOB

  208. daniel

    8) Close

  209. daniel

    thank you all. see you next week

  210. larma

    thanks daniel 🙂

  211. moparisthebest

    thanks daniel & all

  212. Ge0rG


  213. jonas’

    does anyone know another way to reach dwd except by email?

  214. jonas’

    we should figure out what to do with larmas PR

  215. daniel

    I'm generally slightly frustrated about how we deal with inactive authors. frustrated not because I'm blaming anyone but the status quo is often $someone proposes XEP; nothing happens for years; someone else finds XEP useful; provides feedback but by that time $someone has become inactive in the community (or might not even work in the industry anymore)

  216. daniel

    but I don’t really have a good solution for that.

  217. moparisthebest

    the council can just grant authorship to the new person right?

  218. moparisthebest

    I think we should just do that more aggressively

  219. Ge0rG

    yes, and we've done that before

  220. daniel

    I'm wondering if we should put some rules around that. Like any deferred XEP is up for grabs for example

  221. Kev

    I'd have thought a policy of needing authors to reply to a mail within a month, and then Council finds a co-Author to take it on, would be fairly sensible. Less long than that clearly isn't because holidays, etc., but people *do* leave the industry (I'm not sure Dave is still doing any XMPP, although I'd expect he'd have responded anyway).

  222. daniel

    because otherwise it feels slightly political if council "punished" less active authors

  223. moparisthebest

    yea I think a period of time with no response is perfect, a month seems fine

  224. Ge0rG

    +1 for a one-month notice period to prior authors

  225. Kev

    > I'm wondering if we should put some rules around that. Like any deferred XEP is up for grabs for example XEPs often go deferred because the Author was the only one trying to do anything with them, so assigning new authors automatically when deferred seems not quite right, to me.

  226. Kev

    If a policy gets put in place now, I'd suggest making sure it's publicised on the list, and taking effect from now, rather than retroactively.

  227. daniel

    > so assigning new authors automatically when deferred seems not quite right, to me. well I was thinking unaddressed feedback + obsolete + new volunteer

  228. daniel

    but yes I'm literally just thinking out loud; not making any real suggestions

  229. Ge0rG

    do we need to put it into XEP-0001?

  230. moparisthebest

    the policy now is basically just "whenever the council feels like it" no ?

  231. Kev

    I'd have thought sending a proposal to list likely to generate useful discussion, FWIW.

  232. Kev

    > the policy now is basically just "whenever the council feels like it" no ? Yes. So Council could come up with a policy without encoding it, I think.

  233. moparisthebest

    yep so just a notice seems good enough, if someone comes up with a really good argument against it we can just change our minds

  234. Kev

    I think "anyone find a reason this is a bad idea?" would be better than just announcing, but don't feel strongly enough to argue much.

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