XMPP Council - 2022-11-02


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  220. moparisthebest so did we get a decision about moving it or not ? I'm fine either way just want to know :)
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  223. daniel We are not moving it
  224. moparisthebest thanks!
  225. Ge0rG we are not moving it [related to local time in Central Europe]
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  228. moparisthebest my calendar entry is in CEST and so it's moved 1 hour for me, but should be at the same time for you all, assuming the calendar did the right thing :)
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  232. daniel My Dino is failing to start. So I'll be trying to keep the meeting short
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  235. moparisthebest soup2 vs soup3 battle?
  236. daniel Yes
  237. moparisthebest classic
  238. daniel Is that a known thing? I haven't bothered to actually look into it
  239. moparisthebest yes https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/1301
  240. moparisthebest tl;dr your distro messed up, needs recompiled to fix, but possibly dino could make that fail to compile vs fail at runtime
  241. daniel What needs recompiling?
  242. daniel Because I did compile Dino myself
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  245. moparisthebest I'm not entirely clear on that, you have to set the flags so only 1 of the soup's is used, or try that branch linked at the bottom of that issue ?
  246. daniel Mhh probably both I guess. The flag to not make it immediately crash. And then the branch to not make it crash under certain conditions I guess...
  247. daniel hello from dino
  248. moparisthebest hello
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  253. larma moparisthebest, fail to compile actually doesn't work because we can't know at compile time if the libsoup version used by libgupnp used by libnice will be 2 or 3, because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number, meaning it is updated independently of libnice. Fedora people seem to be the only ones noticing that this is a major issue so they made it something to specifically look at for the next release https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One
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  256. moparisthebest > because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number yikes...
  257. larma well they argue they are ABI compatible which is somewhat true because the libsoup version is not really exposed to apps using it
  258. larma but yeah, it's a mess. Also it doesn't help that libsoup 3 is still rather unstable (ton of bugs / incorrect behavior in their http/2 implementation)
  259. moparisthebest it's ABI compatible except if you try to use it in your application it'll crash ! :D
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  262. larma only if your application dares to use libsoup 2 😉
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  269. jonas’ I may be late by a few minutes
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  281. jonas’ ETA 1605Z
  282. moparisthebest I'm fine waiting
  283. daniel It's time
  284. daniel 1) roll call
  285. jonas’ walking
  286. Ge0rG good morning!
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  291. moparisthebest o/
  292. larma 👋️
  293. daniel 2) Agenda bashing
  294. daniel nothing. It's gonna be a quick meeting
  295. daniel 3) Editors update none this week
  296. daniel 4) Items for voting nothing new this week
  297. daniel 5) Pending votes
  298. Ge0rG I'm +1 on everything!
  299. daniel Ge0rG is pending on three proposed xeps
  300. daniel ok thank you Ge0rG
  301. daniel this means all three XEPs from two weeks ago are accepted
  302. daniel 6) Date of next
  303. daniel +1w wfm
  304. moparisthebest +1w wfm, back at the normal time for me
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  307. larma I might be at a place without internet connectivity next week
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  309. daniel ok noted
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  311. jonas’ o/
  312. jonas’ +1w wfm
  313. daniel 7) AOB
  314. jonas’ I note we only have one applicant so far
  315. larma I intend to reapply, just failed to do it yet
  316. larma it's still 3 days left
  317. jonas’ I'm not sure yet
  318. jonas’ which makes it rather likely that I'll miss the deadline
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  320. moparisthebest I'm going to reapply too
  321. MattJ jonas’, is your decision depending on any external factors that can be controlled?
  322. MattJ (just checking)
  323. jonas’ MattJ, I don't think I'm particularly suited for council given the lack of insight I have nowadays in much of the protocol topics.
  324. jonas’ that makes it tricky to vote on stuff with sufficient confidence and that's not a nice position to be in
  325. jonas’ I wonder if that'll improve when I'm not detracted by having to touch xsf/xeps anymore :shrug:
  326. jonas’ but that's a bet on the future and I'm at this point not quite sure I want to take that bet
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  328. MattJ Noted
  329. daniel ok. I assume no other AOB
  330. daniel 8) Close
  331. jonas’ thanks daniel
  332. larma thanks daniel 🙂
  333. Ge0rG thanks daniel
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  337. moparisthebest thanks !
  338. moparisthebest jonas’, fwiw I think lack of insight can be a good thing, if the XEP isn't clear in and of itself, if it's only clear given sufficient tribal knowledge, then it's a bad XEP
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