XMPP Council - 2022-11-02


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  220. moparisthebest

    so did we get a decision about moving it or not ? I'm fine either way just want to know :)

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  223. daniel

    We are not moving it

  224. moparisthebest

    thanks!

  225. Ge0rG

    we are not moving it [related to local time in Central Europe]

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  228. moparisthebest

    my calendar entry is in CEST and so it's moved 1 hour for me, but should be at the same time for you all, assuming the calendar did the right thing :)

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  232. daniel

    My Dino is failing to start. So I'll be trying to keep the meeting short

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  235. moparisthebest

    soup2 vs soup3 battle?

  236. daniel

    Yes

  237. moparisthebest

    classic

  238. daniel

    Is that a known thing? I haven't bothered to actually look into it

  239. moparisthebest

    yes https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/1301

  240. moparisthebest

    tl;dr your distro messed up, needs recompiled to fix, but possibly dino could make that fail to compile vs fail at runtime

  241. daniel

    What needs recompiling?

  242. daniel

    Because I did compile Dino myself

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  245. moparisthebest

    I'm not entirely clear on that, you have to set the flags so only 1 of the soup's is used, or try that branch linked at the bottom of that issue ?

  246. daniel

    Mhh probably both I guess. The flag to not make it immediately crash. And then the branch to not make it crash under certain conditions I guess...

  247. daniel

    hello from dino

  248. moparisthebest

    hello

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  253. larma

    moparisthebest, fail to compile actually doesn't work because we can't know at compile time if the libsoup version used by libgupnp used by libnice will be 2 or 3, because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number, meaning it is updated independently of libnice. Fedora people seem to be the only ones noticing that this is a major issue so they made it something to specifically look at for the next release https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One

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  256. moparisthebest

    > because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number yikes...

  257. larma

    well they argue they are ABI compatible which is somewhat true because the libsoup version is not really exposed to apps using it

  258. larma

    but yeah, it's a mess. Also it doesn't help that libsoup 3 is still rather unstable (ton of bugs / incorrect behavior in their http/2 implementation)

  259. moparisthebest

    it's ABI compatible except if you try to use it in your application it'll crash ! :D

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  262. larma

    only if your application dares to use libsoup 2 😉

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  269. jonas’

    I may be late by a few minutes

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  281. jonas’

    ETA 1605Z

  282. moparisthebest

    I'm fine waiting

  283. daniel

    It's time

  284. daniel

    1) roll call

  285. jonas’

    walking

  286. Ge0rG

    good morning!

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  291. moparisthebest

    o/

  292. larma

    👋️

  293. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  294. daniel

    nothing. It's gonna be a quick meeting

  295. daniel

    3) Editors update none this week

  296. daniel

    4) Items for voting nothing new this week

  297. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  298. Ge0rG

    I'm +1 on everything!

  299. daniel

    Ge0rG is pending on three proposed xeps

  300. daniel

    ok thank you Ge0rG

  301. daniel

    this means all three XEPs from two weeks ago are accepted

  302. daniel

    6) Date of next

  303. daniel

    +1w wfm

  304. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm, back at the normal time for me

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  307. larma

    I might be at a place without internet connectivity next week

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  309. daniel

    ok noted

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  311. jonas’

    o/

  312. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  313. daniel

    7) AOB

  314. jonas’

    I note we only have one applicant so far

  315. larma

    I intend to reapply, just failed to do it yet

  316. larma

    it's still 3 days left

  317. jonas’

    I'm not sure yet

  318. jonas’

    which makes it rather likely that I'll miss the deadline

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  320. moparisthebest

    I'm going to reapply too

  321. MattJ

    jonas’, is your decision depending on any external factors that can be controlled?

  322. MattJ

    (just checking)

  323. jonas’

    MattJ, I don't think I'm particularly suited for council given the lack of insight I have nowadays in much of the protocol topics.

  324. jonas’

    that makes it tricky to vote on stuff with sufficient confidence and that's not a nice position to be in

  325. jonas’

    I wonder if that'll improve when I'm not detracted by having to touch xsf/xeps anymore :shrug:

  326. jonas’

    but that's a bet on the future and I'm at this point not quite sure I want to take that bet

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  328. MattJ

    Noted

  329. daniel

    ok. I assume no other AOB

  330. daniel

    8) Close

  331. jonas’

    thanks daniel

  332. larma

    thanks daniel 🙂

  333. Ge0rG

    thanks daniel

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  337. moparisthebest

    thanks !

  338. moparisthebest

    jonas’, fwiw I think lack of insight can be a good thing, if the XEP isn't clear in and of itself, if it's only clear given sufficient tribal knowledge, then it's a bad XEP

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