so did we get a decision about moving it or not ? I'm fine either way just want to know :)
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We are not moving it
moparisthebest
thanks!
Ge0rG
we are not moving it [related to local time in Central Europe]
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moparisthebest
my calendar entry is in CEST and so it's moved 1 hour for me, but should be at the same time for you all, assuming the calendar did the right thing :)
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My Dino is failing to start. So I'll be trying to keep the meeting short
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moparisthebest
soup2 vs soup3 battle?
daniel
Yes
moparisthebest
classic
daniel
Is that a known thing? I haven't bothered to actually look into it
moparisthebest
yes https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/1301
moparisthebest
tl;dr your distro messed up, needs recompiled to fix, but possibly dino could make that fail to compile vs fail at runtime
daniel
What needs recompiling?
daniel
Because I did compile Dino myself
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I'm not entirely clear on that, you have to set the flags so only 1 of the soup's is used, or try that branch linked at the bottom of that issue ?
daniel
Mhh probably both I guess. The flag to not make it immediately crash. And then the branch to not make it crash under certain conditions I guess...
daniel
hello from dino
moparisthebest
hello
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larma
moparisthebest, fail to compile actually doesn't work because we can't know at compile time if the libsoup version used by libgupnp used by libnice will be 2 or 3, because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number, meaning it is updated independently of libnice.
Fedora people seem to be the only ones noticing that this is a major issue so they made it something to specifically look at for the next release https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One
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moparisthebest
> because the update of libgupnp which migrated from 2 to 3 does not bump the .so number
yikes...
larma
well they argue they are ABI compatible which is somewhat true because the libsoup version is not really exposed to apps using it
larma
but yeah, it's a mess. Also it doesn't help that libsoup 3 is still rather unstable (ton of bugs / incorrect behavior in their http/2 implementation)
moparisthebest
it's ABI compatible except if you try to use it in your application it'll crash ! :D
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larma
only if your application dares to use libsoup 2 😉
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jonas’
I may be late by a few minutes
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jonas’
ETA 1605Z
moparisthebest
I'm fine waiting
daniel
It's time
daniel
1) roll call
jonas’
walking
Ge0rG
good morning!
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moparisthebest
o/
larma
👋️
daniel
2) Agenda bashing
daniel
nothing. It's gonna be a quick meeting
daniel
3) Editors update
none this week
daniel
4) Items for voting
nothing new this week
daniel
5) Pending votes
Ge0rG
I'm +1 on everything!
daniel
Ge0rG is pending on three proposed xeps
daniel
ok thank you Ge0rG
daniel
this means all three XEPs from two weeks ago are accepted
daniel
6) Date of next
daniel
+1w wfm
moparisthebest
+1w wfm, back at the normal time for me
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larma
I might be at a place without internet connectivity next week
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daniel
ok noted
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o/
jonas’
+1w wfm
daniel
7) AOB
jonas’
I note we only have one applicant so far
larma
I intend to reapply, just failed to do it yet
larma
it's still 3 days left
jonas’
I'm not sure yet
jonas’
which makes it rather likely that I'll miss the deadline
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moparisthebest
I'm going to reapply too
MattJ
jonas’, is your decision depending on any external factors that can be controlled?
MattJ
(just checking)
jonas’
MattJ, I don't think I'm particularly suited for council given the lack of insight I have nowadays in much of the protocol topics.
jonas’
that makes it tricky to vote on stuff with sufficient confidence and that's not a nice position to be in
jonas’
I wonder if that'll improve when I'm not detracted by having to touch xsf/xeps anymore :shrug:
jonas’
but that's a bet on the future and I'm at this point not quite sure I want to take that bet
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Noted
daniel
ok. I assume no other AOB
daniel
8) Close
jonas’
thanks daniel
larma
thanks daniel 🙂
Ge0rG
thanks daniel
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moparisthebest
thanks !
moparisthebest
jonas’, fwiw I think lack of insight can be a good thing, if the XEP isn't clear in and of itself, if it's only clear given sufficient tribal knowledge, then it's a bad XEP