XMPP Council - 2022-11-16

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  126. emus Hey XEP experts, if anyone can support highlighting what of the xep listed above stands out as "highlights" in the recent years, that would be a great support. If anything is missing please add. I focused onoy on new, proposed, proto and stable 🙏
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  192. Ge0rG last week's lines in the spreadsheet of doom are all crossed through, what's the matter with that? Should I still vote?
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  195. flow maybe because of the upcoming council eleection?
  196. Ge0rG does it mean all votes are postponed until next council, or does it mean we need to complete voting before the election is finished?
  197. daniel let me check. but that's likely just a weird glitch
  198. daniel doesn’t mean anything
  199. daniel for some reason google sheets defaults to strike through when adding a new line
  200. daniel I wanted to start voting last week (even though I couldn’t be there) to get the votes through before the council period ends
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  202. daniel tmolitor, the scram upgrade tasks xep depends on the new version of sals2, no?
  203. daniel because of xml elements vs base64?
  204. daniel and/or task data simply not existing
  205. jonas’ .
  206. daniel It's time
  207. daniel 1) Roll call
  208. moparisthebest hello!
  209. jonas’ here
  210. larma 👋️
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  214. daniel Ge0rG?
  215. Ge0rG hi
  216. daniel 2) Agenda bashing
  217. daniel I assume nothing to bash
  218. daniel 3) Editors updates
  219. daniel no new updates this week
  220. daniel 4) Items for voting
  221. daniel none
  222. daniel 5) Pending votes
  223. daniel everyone but jonas’ on scram upgrade tasks
  224. Ge0rG I'm still on list, but I have one question regarding Pubsub Signing
  225. daniel I'm on list. this depends on on unresolved sasl 2 situation. which we might resolve soon
  226. moparisthebest on-list
  227. larma also on-list
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  229. daniel pubsub signing is pending from moparisthebest Ge0rG and me
  230. daniel on-list
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  233. daniel you had a question (to whom?) Ge0rG ?
  234. Ge0rG I've just had a brief skim, and it looks like the signed content is embedded into the <sign-data> element, which is good. but it also claims to be backward-compatible, so is another (unsigned) copy of the element put somewhere else?
  235. larma The <sign-data> element is only for what is signed, it doesn't actually appear on wire
  236. larma and the signature only shows in a pubsub attachment. clients fetching the node without the attachment don't see any difference (hence it's backwards compatible)
  237. Ge0rG larma: ah, thanks. I'll do another in-depth read based on that!
  238. daniel ok I assume everyone who hasn’t voted already is on list for either of the two pubsub signing xeps?
  239. daniel moving on then
  240. Ge0rG yes, on-list
  241. daniel everyone except jonas’ is pending on Fast
  242. daniel +1
  243. moparisthebest +1 on fast
  244. larma This also depends on sasl2, no?
  245. tmolitor > tmolitor, the scram upgrade tasks xep depends on the new version of sals2, no? > because of xml elements vs base64? Yes it does
  246. tmolitor Like bind2 and by extension fast, too
  247. Ge0rG on-list
  248. larma on-list
  249. daniel because of the change with <inline/>? yes that's unfortunate
  250. daniel mhh yes I'll retract my +1 for now
  251. daniel 6) Date of next
  252. daniel +1w wfm
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  255. larma +1w wfm
  256. moparisthebest +1 wfm
  257. tmolitor We really need Dave to react :/
  258. moparisthebest we have pretty good consensus to just do it, why don't we just do it ?
  259. jonas’ +1w wfm
  260. Ge0rG +1w wfm
  261. daniel 7) AOB
  262. daniel I have some
  263. daniel do we want to do something about the SASL 2 situation?
  264. moparisthebest yes, let's change it and move forward
  265. jonas’ I poked MattJ as I promised last week. Except I did it only just now.
  266. jonas’ but given that dwd didn't reply to the email yet, we can also go ahead and add another author
  267. moparisthebest can we vote to add MattJ as author ?
  268. daniel does he want to be an author?
  269. jonas’ don't we have to add tmolitor instead?
  270. tmolitor Honestly most of the new sasl2 stuff is from me
  271. daniel yeah that would be the other candidate
  272. larma At least tmolitor, but the PR already suggests to add both
  273. moparisthebest fine with me too :) I think both would have the same results
  274. moparisthebest also fine with adding both...
  275. larma So I guess both are fine with being an author, otherwise they'd have probably already complained about being added as an author as part of the PR
  276. daniel so we'd be voting on merging the PR as is which automatcally makes both authors?
  277. jonas’ can I get a link to "the PR"?
  278. tmolitor Yeah mattj did add/change some parts, too (especially those about client ID)
  279. larma jonas' https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1214
  280. daniel yes
  281. larma I'd like to vote to make both an author *independently* of merging the PR. As soon as they're author, they have all rights to accept the PR without involving council.
  282. daniel or if council doesn’t want to tie it to that specific PR we could just make them both authors
  283. daniel larma, fair
  284. jonas’ for simplicity, I'd appreciate if we could at least informally agree (with tmolitor) that authorship implies merging the PR
  285. jonas’ I'd rather not have that in two steps
  286. tmolitor Fine by me
  287. moparisthebest I think the formality is a bit too much, we want them author, we want that merged, don't care how it's done let's just vote :)
  288. daniel ok. can I have your votes on: Adding MattJ and tmolitor co-authors of XEP-0388
  289. moparisthebest +1 and +1
  290. jonas’ +1 and +1
  291. daniel +1
  292. jonas’ (let's get this thing moving)
  293. larma +1
  294. daniel Ge0rG, ?
  295. larma I'd like to point out that XEP-0428 Fallback Indication / https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1188 has the very same issue of being stuck
  296. daniel larma, OK if i add that as an agenda item for next week? (adding you as an author)
  297. larma sure, if you feel we can't do it today
  298. moparisthebest I'm +1 on adding larma as author on '428 now or next week
  299. daniel I feel like we lost half of council members; we are running up on the time limit; and doing it next week just gives people a moment to familiarize themselves with that situtation
  300. daniel ok it seems like Ge0rG is gone. If you could vote on the authorship thing some time during that week that would be great
  301. daniel asuming no other AOB?
  302. Ge0rG I'm sorry
  303. Ge0rG +1 to add MattJ and tmolitor as co-authors of XEP-0388
  304. daniel thanks. that means that votes has passed
  305. daniel 8) Close
  306. daniel thank you all
  307. tmolitor Thanks
  308. jonas’ thanks daniel
  309. moparisthebest thanks all!
  310. larma thanks all!
  311. Ge0rG thanks daniel and sorry for my lag
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