XMPP Council - 2022-11-16

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  126. emus

    Hey XEP experts, if anyone can support highlighting what of the xep listed above stands out as "highlights" in the recent years, that would be a great support. If anything is missing please add. I focused onoy on new, proposed, proto and stable 🙏

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  192. Ge0rG

    last week's lines in the spreadsheet of doom are all crossed through, what's the matter with that? Should I still vote?

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  195. flow

    maybe because of the upcoming council eleection?

  196. Ge0rG

    does it mean all votes are postponed until next council, or does it mean we need to complete voting before the election is finished?

  197. daniel

    let me check. but that's likely just a weird glitch

  198. daniel

    doesn’t mean anything

  199. daniel

    for some reason google sheets defaults to strike through when adding a new line

  200. daniel

    I wanted to start voting last week (even though I couldn’t be there) to get the votes through before the council period ends

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  202. daniel

    tmolitor, the scram upgrade tasks xep depends on the new version of sals2, no?

  203. daniel

    because of xml elements vs base64?

  204. daniel

    and/or task data simply not existing

  205. jonas’


  206. daniel

    It's time

  207. daniel

    1) Roll call

  208. moparisthebest


  209. jonas’


  210. larma


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  215. Ge0rG


  216. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  217. daniel

    I assume nothing to bash

  218. daniel

    3) Editors updates

  219. daniel

    no new updates this week

  220. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  221. daniel


  222. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  223. daniel

    everyone but jonas’ on scram upgrade tasks

  224. Ge0rG

    I'm still on list, but I have one question regarding Pubsub Signing

  225. daniel

    I'm on list. this depends on on unresolved sasl 2 situation. which we might resolve soon

  226. moparisthebest


  227. larma

    also on-list

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  229. daniel

    pubsub signing is pending from moparisthebest Ge0rG and me

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  233. daniel

    you had a question (to whom?) Ge0rG ?

  234. Ge0rG

    I've just had a brief skim, and it looks like the signed content is embedded into the <sign-data> element, which is good. but it also claims to be backward-compatible, so is another (unsigned) copy of the element put somewhere else?

  235. larma

    The <sign-data> element is only for what is signed, it doesn't actually appear on wire

  236. larma

    and the signature only shows in a pubsub attachment. clients fetching the node without the attachment don't see any difference (hence it's backwards compatible)

  237. Ge0rG

    larma: ah, thanks. I'll do another in-depth read based on that!

  238. daniel

    ok I assume everyone who hasn’t voted already is on list for either of the two pubsub signing xeps?

  239. daniel

    moving on then

  240. Ge0rG

    yes, on-list

  241. daniel

    everyone except jonas’ is pending on Fast

  242. daniel


  243. moparisthebest

    +1 on fast

  244. larma

    This also depends on sasl2, no?

  245. tmolitor

    > tmolitor, the scram upgrade tasks xep depends on the new version of sals2, no? > because of xml elements vs base64? Yes it does

  246. tmolitor

    Like bind2 and by extension fast, too

  247. Ge0rG


  248. larma


  249. daniel

    because of the change with <inline/>? yes that's unfortunate

  250. daniel

    mhh yes I'll retract my +1 for now

  251. daniel

    6) Date of next

  252. daniel

    +1w wfm

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  255. larma

    +1w wfm

  256. moparisthebest

    +1 wfm

  257. tmolitor

    We really need Dave to react :/

  258. moparisthebest

    we have pretty good consensus to just do it, why don't we just do it ?

  259. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  260. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  261. daniel

    7) AOB

  262. daniel

    I have some

  263. daniel

    do we want to do something about the SASL 2 situation?

  264. moparisthebest

    yes, let's change it and move forward

  265. jonas’

    I poked MattJ as I promised last week. Except I did it only just now.

  266. jonas’

    but given that dwd didn't reply to the email yet, we can also go ahead and add another author

  267. moparisthebest

    can we vote to add MattJ as author ?

  268. daniel

    does he want to be an author?

  269. jonas’

    don't we have to add tmolitor instead?

  270. tmolitor

    Honestly most of the new sasl2 stuff is from me

  271. daniel

    yeah that would be the other candidate

  272. larma

    At least tmolitor, but the PR already suggests to add both

  273. moparisthebest

    fine with me too :) I think both would have the same results

  274. moparisthebest

    also fine with adding both...

  275. larma

    So I guess both are fine with being an author, otherwise they'd have probably already complained about being added as an author as part of the PR

  276. daniel

    so we'd be voting on merging the PR as is which automatcally makes both authors?

  277. jonas’

    can I get a link to "the PR"?

  278. tmolitor

    Yeah mattj did add/change some parts, too (especially those about client ID)

  279. larma

    jonas' https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1214

  280. daniel


  281. larma

    I'd like to vote to make both an author *independently* of merging the PR. As soon as they're author, they have all rights to accept the PR without involving council.

  282. daniel

    or if council doesn’t want to tie it to that specific PR we could just make them both authors

  283. daniel

    larma, fair

  284. jonas’

    for simplicity, I'd appreciate if we could at least informally agree (with tmolitor) that authorship implies merging the PR

  285. jonas’

    I'd rather not have that in two steps

  286. tmolitor

    Fine by me

  287. moparisthebest

    I think the formality is a bit too much, we want them author, we want that merged, don't care how it's done let's just vote :)

  288. daniel

    ok. can I have your votes on: Adding MattJ and tmolitor co-authors of XEP-0388

  289. moparisthebest

    +1 and +1

  290. jonas’

    +1 and +1

  291. daniel


  292. jonas’

    (let's get this thing moving)

  293. larma


  294. daniel

    Ge0rG, ?

  295. larma

    I'd like to point out that XEP-0428 Fallback Indication / https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1188 has the very same issue of being stuck

  296. daniel

    larma, OK if i add that as an agenda item for next week? (adding you as an author)

  297. larma

    sure, if you feel we can't do it today

  298. moparisthebest

    I'm +1 on adding larma as author on '428 now or next week

  299. daniel

    I feel like we lost half of council members; we are running up on the time limit; and doing it next week just gives people a moment to familiarize themselves with that situtation

  300. daniel

    ok it seems like Ge0rG is gone. If you could vote on the authorship thing some time during that week that would be great

  301. daniel

    asuming no other AOB?

  302. Ge0rG

    I'm sorry

  303. Ge0rG

    +1 to add MattJ and tmolitor as co-authors of XEP-0388

  304. daniel

    thanks. that means that votes has passed

  305. daniel

    8) Close

  306. daniel

    thank you all

  307. tmolitor


  308. jonas’

    thanks daniel

  309. moparisthebest

    thanks all!

  310. larma

    thanks all!

  311. Ge0rG

    thanks daniel and sorry for my lag

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