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Ge0rG
I'm not going to make it today.
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jonas’
ack, thx for the notice
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moparisthebest
hello all
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jonas’
o/
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daniel
Hi everyone. It's time
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daniel
1) Roll call
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moparisthebest
o/
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jonas’
o/
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daniel
Ge0rG said he won’t make it. is larma here?
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daniel
I guess not but moving on
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daniel
2) Agenda bashing
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daniel
nothing to bash
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daniel
3) Editors update
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daniel
the editor published three new XEPs
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daniel
a) NEW: XEP-0475 (Pubsub Signing) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0475.html) b) NEW: XEP-0476 (Pubsub Signing: OpenPGP Profile) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0476.html) c) NEW: XEP-0477 (Pubsub Targeted Encryption) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0477.html)
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jonas’
and one protoxep
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daniel
yes
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larma
Here, sorry for the delay
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daniel
4) Items for voting
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jonas’
hi larma :)
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daniel
a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Stream Limits Advertisement (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-sla.html)
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daniel
+1 looks straight forward and useful
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jonas’
(larma, could you stay around for a minute after the meeting? I've got a question regarding dino :))
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larma
+1 for sla
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jonas’
+1 for xep-sla
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moparisthebest
+1 though I'm not sure it solves anything if remote limits are lower :'(
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daniel
5) Pending votes
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daniel
none
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daniel
6) Date of Next
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daniel
I'm going to propose +2w
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jonas’
that sounds appropriate
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larma
Works for me
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jonas’
I'm off work in calendarweek 1, so as usual I might be completely out of my rhythm and may require gentle poking
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moparisthebest
I'm fine either way but makes sense as I assume we aren't going to have a lot of things to vote on next week anyway
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Link Mauve
MattJ, Zash, re xep-sla, you mistyped XEP-0153 as XEP-0053 fyi.
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Zash
Oh no
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daniel
OK. +2w (Jan 4th) it is
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daniel
7) AOB
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jonas’
none from me
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moparisthebest
ha good catch Link Mauve
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moparisthebest
nothing here
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larma
RE sla: I'd love if the error message would contain machine readable limit information (to also solve end-to-end issues, even if it may take multiple attempts)
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daniel
8) Close
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daniel
Thank you all. Happy holidays. see you next year
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jonas’
thanks daniel :)
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larma
Also RE Link Mauve comment: I wasn't sure if it was mistyping 0153 or 0054 :D
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jonas’
happy new year's then!
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jonas’
larma, question: what's the prospect of '392 in dino?✎ -
larma
Thanks all and happy holidays
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jonas’
larma, question: what's the prospect of '392 (consistent color generation) in dino? ✏
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moparisthebest
thanks all and happy holidays+new year etc etc :D
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Link Mauve
larma, I also wondered, but went with the most likely candidate. ^^
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larma
jonas’: good question. I think it's implemented already but not used for anything. We weren't exactly happy with how it looked, but we might want to revisit that and see what we can do.
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jonas’
I've been using it for months (had rebased your commits) and I'd love to not have to rebase regularly :)
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jonas’
if there's anything which can or has to be done spec wise, you know where to find me :)
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moparisthebest
Zash, that XEP is very useful but I can't come up with a good solution for when a remote S2S limit is lower :'(
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Zash
moparisthebest, I don't understand and now is not a good time to process anything✎ -
Zash
moparisthebest, I don't understand and now is not a good time to process anything (for me) ✏
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Zash
could you write down what you think the problem is somewhere? mail to standards@ for example
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moparisthebest
client connects to their server A, the limit is 100 bytes, client sends a 99 byte message to remote server B, but remote server B's limit is 50 bytes
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moparisthebest
I guess server A doesn't bother trying to send it to B and instead sends an error to the client, but that's pretty rough
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Zash
better than the s2s connection being closed and anything that was in transit being lost
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moparisthebest
I agree
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Zash
which is what happens regularly right now, any time anyone requests the vcard of someone with huge avatars
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larma
The only "solution" would be fragmentation and that would get a big NO from me...
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Zash
but the point is to make the limits clear to both parties, so then they can abort early if they find they're about to send something too big. doesn't the protoxep text say this already?
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moparisthebest
you could have a way to query your server for the limit to remote server B, but that gets pretty rough too
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larma
The limits could be different depending on the stream though.
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Zash
The working name for this was "pathmtu". :)
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moparisthebest
I typed "query your server for the mtu" but then backspaced lol
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emus
Does Council want us to announce new XEPs or something like this? It could look like this: https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp/108058245120853596 The only thing I'd require is what info should go in etc. and maybe a ping if something new is out
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Zash
I observe that this SLA still waits for Ge0rG
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moparisthebest
emus, yea I think it at least needs waiting until editor publishes them, but you could announce the 3 new ones
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emus
But is it correct to wait or not? Lets go only the official way
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emus
In genereal such posts get quite some attention, at least the last times there were way more shares than for other posts
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Zash
larma, re machine readable limits in errors, something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html#errors ?
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Zash
I have another half-finished protoxep full of various s2s related error conditions
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larma
Zash: yes, like that
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Zash
I made a note
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Zash
thanks