XMPP Council - 2023-02-08

  1. moparisthebest

    I may or may not be online for the meeting today, only time will tell

  2. daniel


  3. daniel

    It's time

  4. larma


  5. daniel

    1) roll call

  6. Ge0rG

    Good morning

  7. moparisthebest

    time worked out, hello

  8. jonas’


  9. jonas’


  10. daniel

    That’s everyone

  11. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  12. daniel

    nothing to bash this week

  13. daniel

    3) Editors updates

  14. daniel

    just going to copy paste this from the email: * UPDATED: XEP-0353 (Jingle Message Initiation) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html) * UPDATED: XEP-0426 (Character counting in message bodies) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0426.html) * UPDATED: XEP-0444 (Message Reactions) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0444.html) * UPDATED: XEP-0461 (Message Replies) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html) * UPDATED: XEP-0474 (SASL SCRAM Downgrade Protection) (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0474.html) * Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2023 (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cs-2023.html)

  15. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  16. daniel

    a) Proposed XMPP Extension: XMPP Compliance Suites 2023

  17. Ge0rG

    +1, obviously

  18. jonas’

    +1, discussing under the XSF umbrella is always nice

  19. daniel


  20. moparisthebest


  21. larma


  22. Ge0rG

    I noted that Tedd had some remarks that I'll address after the proposal gets through

  23. Ge0rG is also going to ignore the /me discussion... for now

  24. daniel

    awesome. that means it passed

  25. daniel

    and yes I was about to say that Tedd had some good remarks

  26. daniel

    b) Issue Last Call on XEP-0334: Message Processing Hints

  27. jonas’

    I'm sure this will be fun

  28. jonas’

    I remotely recall some heated debate about this years ago

  29. jonas’

    +1 for having one

  30. moparisthebest


  31. daniel


  32. larma

    Yes, but time has changed and people get older

  33. larma


  34. Ge0rG

    I vaguely remember blocking that XEP before, because it should not define the semantics of the different hints but merely the syntax, but then it's rather shallow.

  35. daniel

    wrt the heated debates I think the situation has changed too. XEPs that use it have become more mature etc

  36. Ge0rG

    anyway, not going to block heated debates, so +1 for LC

  37. Ge0rG

    it was never the point of immature XEPs, it was a point of "hints can't tell you how to process every kind of hint"

  38. Ge0rG

    conceptually, hints belong into the respective XEP that can define their meaning and consequences

  39. daniel

    OK. passed so it means the editors can go ahead

  40. Ge0rG

    personally, I wish Hints never had existed.

  41. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  42. daniel


  43. Ge0rG

    the Carbons hints situation still is a horrible mess.

  44. daniel

    6) Date of Next

  45. daniel

    +1w wfm

  46. Ge0rG

    +1w wfm

  47. larma

    +1w wfm

  48. daniel

    well carbons might go away soon...

  49. moparisthebest

    +1w wfm

  50. Ge0rG


  51. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  52. Ge0rG

    (in the voice of Luke Skywalker, obviously)

  53. daniel

    7) AOB

  54. jonas’

    (obviously, G.L.)

  55. jonas’

    none from me

  56. moparisthebest

    (don't you mean darth vader?)

  57. moparisthebest

    no aob here

  58. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: you know it's true!

  59. Zash

    (don't you mean you forgot to use <spoiler>)

  60. daniel

    8) Close

  61. daniel

    thank you everyone. see you next week

  62. jonas’


  63. moparisthebest

    (I think 4 decades is the cut-off mark where you no longer need to give spoiler warnings)

  64. moparisthebest

    thanks all !

  65. emus

    I assume Council took note of my message? ^

  66. emus

    Dear Council, any XEP highlights the recent time to announce? CC: MattJ

  67. daniel

    The 2023 compliance suite got accepted as experimental today

  68. daniel

    Other than that I feel like the last weeks have been rather quiet

  69. Zash

    Everyone's probably been gearing up for Summit & FOSDEM and are now winding down.

  70. emus

    Thanks, thought so too. I have a problem with access to the twitter account, need to see whats going on. but not tonight anymore. bye bye

  71. Zash

    Someone in a totally unrelated community said Twitter appears broken.

  72. emus

    I see

  73. moparisthebest

    Are you using some app or whatever? They are killing the API