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daniel
does the mailing list work again?
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daniel
and/or did the agenda for last week make it through eventually?
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Kev
The mailing list does not.
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tmolitor
While talking about the Mailinglist: it would be good to make it dmarc conforming like the ietf mailinglist (among others). I frequently get mails from the list that get sorted out as spam because the owner of the sender domain declared a dmarc rule that instructs the receiver to throw away mails with broken dkim AND spf...
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daniel
It's time
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daniel
1) roll call
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jonas’
o/
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larma
👋️
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jonas’
tmolitor, you probably need ARC, not just DMARC
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jonas’
but that's a topic for iteam@
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daniel
sorry there has not really been an agenda. not just because I didn’t send one but also because it wouldn’t have made it through
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daniel
the spreadsheet of doom is up to date though
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daniel
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zp5FWJI0aubAL29LhrXkhc-MrZauJ1mtkVnm5TrtwLo/edit?usp=sharing
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daniel
(just as a general hint while we are in the current situation)
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jonas’
thanks
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daniel
Ge0rG, larma✎ -
daniel
Ge0rG, larma? ✏
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daniel
Ge0rG, moparisthebest ✏
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larma
+1 on the three pending
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daniel
larma, thanks
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daniel
ok looks like we are missing Ge0rG and moparisthebest
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daniel
skipping right to pending votes
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moparisthebest
Oops here
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daniel
i'm still on list for pubsub#full
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daniel
larma just voted
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daniel
Ge0rG is pending on all three
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Ge0rG
I'm sorry, I'm still pending and also mostly AFK right now
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moparisthebest
Same on list, except I'll actually do it this time, hopefully
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jonas’
on-list is a bit difficult with the lists being down.
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daniel
Ge0rG ok no worries
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Ge0rG
will be back properly next week and will try to vote until then
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moparisthebest
Oh right re: lists :(
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daniel
> on-list is a bit difficult with the lists being down. fair. feel free to ping me in here at any time. or i'll ask again during the next meeting
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daniel
note that those three will expire at the end of next weeks meeting
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moparisthebest
Maybe should extend the expiration period since lists down?
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moparisthebest
Exceptional circumstances and all that
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jonas’
I'd like to request an AOB slot in that context
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jonas’
don't have strong opinions on the voting period, as we can vote in this venue during meetings easily
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daniel
we've already collected a good number of votes; let's see where we are after the next meeting
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daniel
(wrt extending)
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daniel
6) Date of next
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daniel
+1w wfm
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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moparisthebest
Vote yes, but not discuss, either way I'm fine with waiting :)
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jonas’
(though I may have to skip spontaneously, we have a maintenance window which ends an hour before that, but we all know how maintenances are)
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moparisthebest
+2w wfm, I may or may not make it next week
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jonas’
moparisthebest, do you need discussion for the things?
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larma
+1w wfm
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daniel
7) AOB
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daniel
hands the mic to jonas’
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jonas’
once the lists are up, are we making sure that the agenda announcements are resent?
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jonas’
if so, I'd appreciate if we could include a note which mentions: - that this is a late resend because of the list outage and - reminds people that they can get in touch with council if they have objections about decisions - invites people to discuss the decisions made while the lists were off-line
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tmolitor
what about the things for the agenda, kev listed earlier? > For the agenda: > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1277 > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1275 > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1273 >https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1271 h ttps://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1270 inbox/xep-scram-upgrade has been updated https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1215 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1124/files
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tmolitor
I think we should publish the agenda in this venue next time if the list is still down.
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daniel
tmolitor, the first the are the ones we talked about
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daniel
wrt JC’s xeps I need to double check that they are ready actually
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tmolitor
okay, what about the inbox one?
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daniel
jonas’, I'll try to remember that. please remind me if I don’t
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daniel
tmolitor, is this the latest version? https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-scram-upgrade.html
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tmolitor
yes it is
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jonas’
daniel, I'll try, thanks
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jonas’
EO-AOB
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daniel
any other AOB?
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larma
I also had something related to Jingle Message Initiation
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daniel
go ahead larma
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larma
As you may remember, at some point we concluded to rollback 0353 to mostly what es effectively being used in the wild (with a few improvements) with the intent for it to go into stable like that soonish
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daniel
yes
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larma
This raises two questions for me. First: Do we want to LC?
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daniel
is 353 currently published with a wrong date?
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larma
Second: I was previously working on a thing called call invites (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/call-invites.html) mostly intended to support usecases not currently covered by 0353 (multi-party calls, calls using external services, etc). Back then we decided to reject that proposal and instead work on adding the missing features to 0353.
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larma
daniel, yes, 0.6.0 revision was actually 2023✎ -
larma
daniel, yes, 0.6.0 revision was actually same date but 2023 ✏
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daniel
in general yes I think that's the plan
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daniel
with editor becoming active right when the list went down it was (is) a bit difficult to keep track of what's published and whats not
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daniel
so I hadn’t put it on the agenda yet
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Kev
Sorry about the inactivity until that point.
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tmolitor
oh yes, apparently I missed the upgrade from 2022 to 2023 :D
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larma
Given that we now we decided to mostly keep 0353 as it is, so that it can resemble what is de-facto used in practice and move that to stable, I was wondering what council thinks about the future of the features of call invites that are not part of 0353 today.
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daniel
OK I’m not reading any objections to that plan so I guess we start voting on that soon~ish
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daniel
try to pass call invites again?
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daniel
do you know who voted it? maybe we should ask them who they feel about it
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larma
Ge0rG, was -1 according to the old spreadsheet
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larma
But I guess as he's AFK right now, maybe we move that to another date
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Ge0rG
Sounds like I was -1 because I wanted it added into the existing XEP, so if that gets promoted, I'm out of veto reasons?
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daniel
ok. I’ll try to put a proper agenda together was dedicated items for last calling 353 and an item for call invites✎ -
daniel
ok. I’ll try to put a proper agenda together with dedicated items for last calling 353 and an item for call invites ✏
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tmolitor
*and the sasl inbox item ;)
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daniel
yes
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daniel
and #1215
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Ge0rG
I'd still prefer them merged, but I guess that's not strong enough if 353 is already widely rolled out. But I'll have to reread both to decide
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daniel
ok sounds good. I guess that's all we can do right now as part of an AOB
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jonas’
I don't like processual things ("merged" vs "non-merged") blocking work on standards
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daniel
assuming no other AOB? we are technically over time
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jonas’
it's ultimately a minor detail
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jonas’
sorry, let's lcose✎ -
jonas’
sorry, let's close ✏
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tmolitor
oh yes, #1215 fell completely off my radar
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daniel
8) Close
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larma
no other AOB from me
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daniel
thanks
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daniel
jonas’, what do you mean?
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jonas’
too tired to explain beyond what I did, sorry
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daniel
I find it easier to work with rendered and published XEPs
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daniel
making decisions based on "assuming those two things are merged" and keeping that in your head is hard imho
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daniel
if / once we get proper renderings for PRs it might become easier