and/or did the agenda for last week make it through eventually?
Kev
The mailing list does not.
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While talking about the Mailinglist: it would be good to make it dmarc conforming like the ietf mailinglist (among others). I frequently get mails from the list that get sorted out as spam because the owner of the sender domain declared a dmarc rule that instructs the receiver to throw away mails with broken dkim AND spf...
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daniel
It's time
daniel
1) roll call
jonas’
o/
larma
👋️
jonas’
tmolitor, you probably need ARC, not just DMARC
jonas’
but that's a topic for iteam@
daniel
sorry there has not really been an agenda. not just because I didn’t send one but also because it wouldn’t have made it through
ok looks like we are missing Ge0rG and moparisthebest
daniel
skipping right to pending votes
moparisthebest
Oops here
daniel
i'm still on list for pubsub#full
daniel
larma just voted
daniel
Ge0rG is pending on all three
Ge0rG
I'm sorry, I'm still pending and also mostly AFK right now
moparisthebest
Same on list, except I'll actually do it this time, hopefully
jonas’
on-list is a bit difficult with the lists being down.
daniel
Ge0rG ok no worries
Ge0rG
will be back properly next week and will try to vote until then
moparisthebest
Oh right re: lists :(
daniel
> on-list is a bit difficult with the lists being down.
fair. feel free to ping me in here at any time. or i'll ask again during the next meeting
daniel
note that those three will expire at the end of next weeks meeting
moparisthebest
Maybe should extend the expiration period since lists down?
moparisthebest
Exceptional circumstances and all that
jonas’
I'd like to request an AOB slot in that context
jonas’
don't have strong opinions on the voting period, as we can vote in this venue during meetings easily
daniel
we've already collected a good number of votes; let's see where we are after the next meeting
daniel
(wrt extending)
daniel
6) Date of next
daniel
+1w wfm
jonas’
+1w wfm
moparisthebest
Vote yes, but not discuss, either way I'm fine with waiting :)
jonas’
(though I may have to skip spontaneously, we have a maintenance window which ends an hour before that, but we all know how maintenances are)
moparisthebest
+2w wfm, I may or may not make it next week
jonas’
moparisthebest, do you need discussion for the things?
larma
+1w wfm
daniel
7) AOB
daniel
hands the mic to jonas’
jonas’
once the lists are up, are we making sure that the agenda announcements are resent?
jonas’
if so, I'd appreciate if we could include a note which mentions:
- that this is a late resend because of the list outage and
- reminds people that they can get in touch with council if they have objections about decisions
- invites people to discuss the decisions made while the lists were off-line
tmolitor
what about the things for the agenda, kev listed earlier?
> For the agenda:
> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1277
> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1275
> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1273
>https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1271
h ttps://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1270
inbox/xep-scram-upgrade has been updated
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1215
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1124/files
tmolitor
I think we should publish the agenda in this venue next time if the list is still down.
daniel
tmolitor, the first the are the ones we talked about
daniel
wrt JC’s xeps I need to double check that they are ready actually
tmolitor
okay, what about the inbox one?
daniel
jonas’, I'll try to remember that. please remind me if I don’t
daniel
tmolitor, is this the latest version? https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-scram-upgrade.html
tmolitor
yes it is
jonas’
daniel, I'll try, thanks
jonas’
EO-AOB
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daniel
any other AOB?
larma
I also had something related to Jingle Message Initiation
daniel
go ahead larma
larma
As you may remember, at some point we concluded to rollback 0353 to mostly what es effectively being used in the wild (with a few improvements) with the intent for it to go into stable like that soonish
daniel
yes
larma
This raises two questions for me. First: Do we want to LC?
daniel
is 353 currently published with a wrong date?
larma
Second: I was previously working on a thing called call invites (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/call-invites.html) mostly intended to support usecases not currently covered by 0353 (multi-party calls, calls using external services, etc). Back then we decided to reject that proposal and instead work on adding the missing features to 0353.
daniel, yes, 0.6.0 revision was actually same date but 2023 ✏
daniel
in general yes I think that's the plan
daniel
with editor becoming active right when the list went down it was (is) a bit difficult to keep track of what's published and whats not
daniel
so I hadn’t put it on the agenda yet
Kev
Sorry about the inactivity until that point.
tmolitor
oh yes, apparently I missed the upgrade from 2022 to 2023 :D
larma
Given that we now we decided to mostly keep 0353 as it is, so that it can resemble what is de-facto used in practice and move that to stable, I was wondering what council thinks about the future of the features of call invites that are not part of 0353 today.
daniel
OK I’m not reading any objections to that plan so I guess we start voting on that soon~ish
daniel
try to pass call invites again?
daniel
do you know who voted it? maybe we should ask them who they feel about it
larma
Ge0rG, was -1 according to the old spreadsheet
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larma
But I guess as he's AFK right now, maybe we move that to another date
Ge0rG
Sounds like I was -1 because I wanted it added into the existing XEP, so if that gets promoted, I'm out of veto reasons?
daniel
ok. I’ll try to put a proper agenda together was dedicated items for last calling 353 and an item for call invites✎
daniel
ok. I’ll try to put a proper agenda together with dedicated items for last calling 353 and an item for call invites ✏
tmolitor
*and the sasl inbox item ;)
daniel
yes
daniel
and #1215
Ge0rG
I'd still prefer them merged, but I guess that's not strong enough if 353 is already widely rolled out. But I'll have to reread both to decide
daniel
ok sounds good. I guess that's all we can do right now as part of an AOB
jonas’
I don't like processual things ("merged" vs "non-merged") blocking work on standards
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daniel
assuming no other AOB? we are technically over time