XMPP Council - 2023-11-08

yeah, xep-0001 implies (to me) that standards track implies council

actually assigning the approving body seemed, to me, to be a part of the editor's job: you do the same when protoxeps are submitted.

however, I can see how, as an editor, you might want to seek additional support when changing the approver after acceptance

Hi. I didn't make it back to my computer in time for the meeting. I'm here but only on mobile. I'll be going through the agenda and ask for your votes but for anyone following along in the spreadsheet please not that I'll be updating that once I get back home

It's time

1) roll call

Hello

Is larma still on vacation?

2) agenda bashing No bashing necessary I assume

3) Editors update A few new proto xeps - UPDATED: XEP-0377 Spam Reporting (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0377.html) - UPDATED: XEP-0424 Message Retraction (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html) - UPDATED: XEP-0458 Community Code of Conduct (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0458.html) - Proposed XMPP Extension: HTTP Online Meetings (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-http_online_meetings.html) - Proposed XMPP Extension: Communicate & Ask to AI (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-ai.html)

4) Items for voting

a) Proposed XMPP Extension: HTTP Online Meetings (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-http_online_meetings.html)

On list

on-list

moparisthebest:?

On list

b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Communicate & Ask to AI (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-ai.html)

On list

on-list

Sorry, here now.

Marking your messages to the bot is odd, marking messages from the bot seems helpful, the rest is also odd but I see no reason not to +1 it I guess

On-list for both

c) XEP-0060: Release version 1.25.1 (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1293)

On list

+1

Comment on a): There is an overlap in features with Call Invites XEP-0482. Comment on b): I think this can't be implemented as is without having further knowledge about the bot, as model is required when sending to the bot, but there is no way to discover valid values.

c): +1

Ge0rG:?

larma: I think part(s) of http online meetings was even written before call invites. So maybe the author doesn't even know about the overlap

Maybe we can resolve the with a friendly chat

Instead of blocking the xep (not implying you were going to block)

daniel: yes, that also wouldn't be a reason for me to veto at this point

on-list

d) XEP-0045: roominfo_changesubject does not exist (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1292)

+1

+1

+1

+1

e) XEP-0402: Replace arbitrary max items with 'max' (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1278)

+1

+1

+1

we added the `max` syntax into 0060 a year or so ago?

+1

Version 1.20.0 (2021-06-08): Add integer-or-max datatype to use with Data Forms Validation.

there is no schema for the form, and I suppose it's a text field, so should be consistent

f) Add Council as approver to all Standards Track XEPs where it was missing (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1265)

+1

I think this could be considered editorial

+1, editorial, please do not bump versions etc

+1 for accepting and +1 for editorial-only-change

imho this was just an editor mistake, new tooling checks that it doesn't happen into future

Indeed

moparisthebest: by the way I think the current tooling doesn't work well when multiple xeps are being changed

Editorial doesn't mean that the version doesn't get bumped, BTW.

Every change to a published XEP, editorial or not, needs the version bumped.

larma: do you have a vote for (f)?

I would super advise not to bump versions, but that's your business

I agree that editorial changes should bump versions, but this is not even that IMHO

Just an oversight in the metadata

Note the same change needs made for a bunch of other XEPs where the body should be board and editor

> Just an oversight in the metadata +1 ↺

We are coming up on our time limit so I'm going to move on

5) pending votes

None

6) date of next

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

+2w wfm, +1 I'll be unavailable

moparisthebest: noted

7) AOB

Nothing here

8) close

Thank you all

Thanks daniel !

daniel: got disconnected. +1 on f), +1w wfm