XMPP Council - 2023-11-29

  1. larma

    Sorry, I won't be able to join today

  2. jonas’

    I notice that I'm still on the council@ mailing list

  3. dan.caseley

    If you're looking to leave, a blank email to council-unsubscribe should do the trick?

  4. jonas’

    I think that list membership is managed manually and it indicates that you may also not be on that list yet

  5. jonas’

    (I don't think it has open subscriptions)

  6. Kev

    I think you should be able to unsubscribe in the normal way. You shouldn't be able to subscribe in the normal way.

  7. moparisthebest

    10 minute warning I think?

  8. moparisthebest

    As council can we abolish timezones or at least DST? That'd be great

  9. daniel

    not generally I think...

  10. daniel

    but we can make our meetings not depend on it

  11. daniel

    there is an agenda item for it

  12. daniel

    It's time

  13. daniel

    1) Roll call

  14. moparisthebest


  15. daniel

    dan.caseley, singpolyma are you here?

  16. singpolyma

    I am

  17. daniel

    even though we technically have quorum i'd prefer it if more people were here for chair election and scheduling

  18. moparisthebest

    I'm happy with daniel continuing as chair if he's willing :)

  19. dan.caseley


  20. dan.caseley

    Apologies. Calendar fail.

  21. daniel

    ok good. let's continue

  22. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  23. daniel

    did anyone receive the agenda? and are there any additions?

  24. daniel

    (I cc-ed it to the standards list)

  25. dan.caseley

    I received it on standards@

  26. moparisthebest

    I'd like to officially welcome new members but otherwise looks good

  27. dan.caseley

    Schedule seems sensible

  28. daniel

    3) Election of new Chair

  29. singpolyma

    Uh, I don't think I got an email but I'll look. probably I'm not on the right lists

  30. daniel

    dan.caseley, singpolyma I always cc the agenda to the standards list; but you both should contact i-team to get yourself on the council list

  31. moparisthebest

    That's probably stpeter fyi

  32. singpolyma

    I should be able to do it myself, I'll follow up with iteam

  33. dan.caseley

    Is that stpeter via DM, or is there a "proper way"?

  34. singpolyma

    (I'm "on" iteam but haven't been given box login yet)

  35. moparisthebest

    I'd just ask in xsf@

  36. dan.caseley


  37. dan.caseley

    Oh wait... council-subscribe@ just lets me in 🤷‍♂️

  38. singpolyma

    oh fun

  39. dan.caseley

    Fixed. No further action required 😂

  40. moparisthebest

    Hehe hey whatever works, iteam can sort out others that join council illegally later :)

  41. daniel

    > I'm happy with daniel continuing as chair if he's willing :) I'd be willing to chair again. but i'm also happy to vote for someone else if we have other volunteers. do we have other volunteers for council chair?

  42. dan.caseley

    I'd be happy for you to chair :)

  43. singpolyma

    Indeed, makes sense to me

  44. moparisthebest

    Official +1 to daniel chairing from me

  45. daniel

    ok let's here official votes then (already got moparisthebest one)

  46. daniel


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  49. singpolyma


  50. singpolyma


  51. daniel

    ok. thank you

  52. daniel

    4) Election of Board Liasison

  53. daniel

    that's usually just the chair; so I would just continue doing that as well

  54. moparisthebest


  55. daniel


  56. dan.caseley


  57. singpolyma


  58. daniel

    thank you

  59. daniel

    5) Schedule regular council meetings

  60. daniel

    moparisthebest already suggested to not peg this to Central european time

  61. moparisthebest

    This time works for me ok but I also have felixability

  62. daniel

    (this made sense before when 4/5 people were on that time zone; but doesn’t make much sense any more)

  63. moparisthebest

    I'm not sure that matters, since dst switches in na/EU a week apart we'll have problems anyway

  64. singpolyma

    I don't do DST anyway

  65. moparisthebest

    Uh flexibility* I don't know what felixability is

  66. daniel

    moparisthebest, yes it matters because when you are on UK time your council meeting switches 4 times a year as opposed to 2 times

  67. daniel

    does 16:00 UTC (this time essentially) work for everyone?

  68. dan.caseley

    Happy to pick a UTC time and adapt. Tuesdays beat Wednesdays. Later beats earlier.

  69. moparisthebest

    Ah well wet have a UK member now, happy to defer to him :)

  70. singpolyma

    This time is generally fine for me, modulo stuff happening with kids which is too unpredictable to be worth factoring in

  71. dan.caseley

    I'm UK, but adapting to kids is always harder than adapting to timezone 😂

  72. moparisthebest

    It's not like the time is set in stone, let's pick one that works now, and if DST or anything makes it not work for someone we can switch then

  73. daniel

    so Wednesday 16:00 UTC does that work for you dan.caseley?

  74. dan.caseley

    Is Tuesday an option? Kids and irl Meetups are regularly impinging on Wednesdays.

  75. daniel

    Tuesday 1600 wfm

  76. singpolyma

    should usually be fine for me as well

  77. moparisthebest

    > Tuesday 1600 wfm Wfm too

  78. dan.caseley


  79. dan.caseley

    Thanks folks

  80. daniel

    OK. Tuesday 1600 it is then

  81. moparisthebest

    Assuming larma can make it but he'll let us know :)

  82. daniel

    (note we are missing a council member today; but I guess he'll speak up when that doesn’t work for him)

  83. daniel

    6) AOB

  84. singpolyma

    what's the freqency of the meeting?

  85. daniel

    the meeting is weekly. sometimes the meetings are very short if we don’t have anything on the agenda

  86. moparisthebest

    My protoxep, I want to make some editorial changes, everyone ok with me doing it before voting? (It's that awkward period after submission before voting)

  87. daniel

    we usually aim for half an hour and ask during the meeting - in the very infrequent case we need longer - if everyone is fine with that

  88. pep.

    (I also don't like this period)

  89. dan.caseley

    Thanks for the welcome, and for the top tips on a reading list.

  90. singpolyma

    moparisthebest: still in inbox? I'd say edit how you like

  91. moparisthebest

    Unless someone super objects I'm going to mark my PR draft until I make the changes I want

  92. dan.caseley

    Can't vote on it now anyhow. Wasn't on the agenda, and didn't get raised at Agenda Bashing.

  93. daniel

    it's not even in the inbox yet, is it?

  94. daniel

    so yeah just edit the PR

  95. moparisthebest

    No just PR stage

  96. moparisthebest

    Thanks all! That's it for my aob

  97. daniel

    I’m guessing no other AOB?

  98. daniel

    7) Close

  99. daniel

    Thank you all. See you next Tuesday

  100. dan.caseley


  101. moparisthebest

    Thanks daniel !

  102. moparisthebest

    To confirm, 1600 UTC, right ?

  103. daniel


  104. moparisthebest

    Oh great my Android calendar doesn't support me setting a timezone... Will have to do it in Thunderbird or nextcloud I guess